Puppycide in Austin

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:

You make this look like an everyday thing. Cops tampering with evidence, killing people. If you lie in court you are never allowed to testify again it is the law. Please take a moment to read up on the number of cops who die in the line of duty and remember they have families who they say goodby to everyday for possibly the last time. I now someone will response with soldiers and please remember them too.
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Dude, what does commemorating fallen heroes have to do with cops killing people when they shouldn’t?

You have me laughing with this. It is like those people during the Bush’s presidency acting like any negative word about the president meant “you hated America”.

LOL. I can point out every fucked up action a cop makes in public without denying that some good ones exist.

But the good ones aren’t killing us…so why bring them up now?

The problem is ALL of those bad ones over there.[/quote]

You so often conflict yourself. Every time I say the guy messed up I a glazing over the subject that you keep pointing out is cops are fucked up and need to be watched. Then I say yes there are some that are but the majority are good and you say bullshit. I have a hard time figuring out where you really stands on this. I talk about fallen heroes as you put it to point out that many cops die in the line of duty because they are faced with split second declensions that may end up with the loss of life theirs or someones. the problem is you don’t point out the single action of one person you generalize this to entire profession. It would be the same as if I said all dentist are a certain way based on my experience with one or my reading a partial story about one.
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He will stand where ever you don’t. Even if you go in circles. Just so you know.[/quote]

I am starting to see that.

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
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Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]

He was responding to an armed domestic disturbance call…
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And that lead him to shoot a dog that goes aaaaaalllll the way up to his… knees?

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Like bully breeds kinda? Silly little puppies couldn’t harm a fly if they wanted to.[/quote]

But this wasnt a pitbull.

It did not look like a pitbull either.

It was a tiny little doggie dog looking to see whats up.

And, after ordering the owner to get a hold of his dog it took all of three nanoseconds to kill that doggie.

In case you missed it, this is what the dog looked like.[/quote]
You are intentionally using the dogs size to discredit it’s potential threat to a human which is absolute bullshit regardless of breed. Don’t lose the fallacy of your argument by disregarding previous posts putting your logic in context.

And ftr, the breed in question is known to have aggressive and overtly protective tendencies.[/quote]

To copy from the OP
Paxton said he heard Cisco, who weighed about 50 pounds, barking and coming towards him from the backyard.

“I said, ‘Don’t shoot him. Don’t shoot my dog. He won’t bite you.’ But he shot him, just like that. It all happened in under 30 seconds,” Paxton said. “There was no attack on the officer other than barking and challenging him.”

Not sure what everyone else thinks challenging him is but when a dog comes at you like this most people would think it is going to bite you.
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Unless they deliver pizza.

Or letters.

Or milk.

They manage.

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
Not sure what everyone else thinks challenging him is but when a dog comes at you like this most people would think it is going to bite you.
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Totally - I’m sure it was absolutely necessary to blow that fuckin dog away since he could have received a little bite on his leg.

It’s not like he could have chosen a less aggressive route - like maybe pepper spray or say not walking into the (completely innocent/had NOTHING to do with the actual complaint) guys yard with his gun drawn - loaded for proverbial bear.

Excuses and bullshit - another overly-aggressive cop who does some sick, fucked up shit (you know, like blasting a huge hole in the family dog right in the owner’s driveway here in the goddamned good ole US of A) and then acts COMPLETELY unaccountable for it.

I guaran-fucking-tee if something like this ever happened to you I doubt you’d be so cavalier about it. It’s horrible when your home is invaded like that and then even more so (after this prick points his gun at the totally innocent guy - cause that was necessary too I’m sure - guy probably had a garden hose in his hand after all) brutally kills a beloved family dog. Yea, that’s not traumatic at all.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
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Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]

He was responding to an armed domestic disturbance call…
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And that lead him to shoot a dog that goes aaaaaalllll the way up to his… knees?

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Like bully breeds kinda? Silly little puppies couldn’t harm a fly if they wanted to.[/quote]

But this wasnt a pitbull.

It did not look like a pitbull either.

It was a tiny little doggie dog looking to see whats up.

And, after ordering the owner to get a hold of his dog it took all of three nanoseconds to kill that doggie.

In case you missed it, this is what the dog looked like.[/quote]
You are intentionally using the dogs size to discredit it’s potential threat to a human which is absolute bullshit regardless of breed. Don’t lose the fallacy of your argument by disregarding previous posts putting your logic in context.

And ftr, the breed in question is known to have aggressive and overtly protective tendencies.[/quote]

Yup, its known to be a bit aggressive.

To sheep.

And cattle.

I dont know man, are you saying US cops dont look like people?
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A distraction is a distraction and potentially would’ve been life threatening in the situation the cop thought he was in. It doesn’t take Cujo to inflict damage either. Of all topics, why play dumb on this one?

Just to play in to your distracting tangent though:

http://www.australiancattledogsinfo.com/australian-cattle-dog-aggression/

It is highly likely the dog wasn’t just “checking things out”, tail wagging, frolicking around but was instead tensed, moving in the stalking manner that dogs do and closing in on the cop.

The dog was right to do so, a stranger was on his turf threatening his master and mistakenly at that, but the cop had a situation to handle that you are so blatantly ignoring, which is really killing any point you maybe could’ve made out of your OP.

Who ever gave the incorrect address is at fault. The only thing the cop did wrong was refuse to apologize for the mistake.

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
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Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]
It doesn’t matter if he was responding to a dog attack or not. Even if he was responding to a cat stuck in a tree and a dog decided to attack the situation would be what it was, an attacking dog, regardless of the original call. Moot point.

And while dogs are sensitive to strangers on their territory, especially with a “master” around, they certainly do respond to things such as voice tone, facial features, body language and even smell hormones indicating fight or flight responses humans can’t sense.

A pizza guy may have to fight off a dog wanting pizza but a tense, scared, aggressively positioned police officer would have to fight off a dog in defense mode.

What you are alleging is comparable to saying petting a dog and punching it beget the same response. Also a moot point.[/quote]

Weird, firefighters in strange clothing and equipment pumped up on adrenaline break down doors and enter property with dogs and owners in distress all the time and manage not to shoot them.

People have arguments with their neighbors all the time and manage not to shoot pets.

And you are right that dogs respond to fight or flight in humans, which I’m sure a pizza guy would have if a big dog came toward them, but they manage not to shoot them.

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
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Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]

He was responding to an armed domestic disturbance call…
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And that lead him to shoot a dog that goes aaaaaalllll the way up to his… knees?

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Like bully breeds kinda? Silly little puppies couldn’t harm a fly if they wanted to.[/quote]

But this wasnt a pitbull.

It did not look like a pitbull either.

It was a tiny little doggie dog looking to see whats up.

And, after ordering the owner to get a hold of his dog it took all of three nanoseconds to kill that doggie.

In case you missed it, this is what the dog looked like.[/quote]
You are intentionally using the dogs size to discredit it’s potential threat to a human which is absolute bullshit regardless of breed. Don’t lose the fallacy of your argument by disregarding previous posts putting your logic in context.

And ftr, the breed in question is known to have aggressive and overtly protective tendencies.[/quote]

Yup, its known to be a bit aggressive.

To sheep.

And cattle.

I dont know man, are you saying US cops dont look like people?
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The only thing the cop did wrong .

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Was lack critical thinking skills in a crisis situation cause you know why would he need those.

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
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Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]

He was responding to an armed domestic disturbance call…
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And that lead him to shoot a dog that goes aaaaaalllll the way up to his… knees?

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Like bully breeds kinda? Silly little puppies couldn’t harm a fly if they wanted to.[/quote]

But this wasnt a pitbull.

It did not look like a pitbull either.

It was a tiny little doggie dog looking to see whats up.

And, after ordering the owner to get a hold of his dog it took all of three nanoseconds to kill that doggie.

In case you missed it, this is what the dog looked like.[/quote]
You are intentionally using the dogs size to discredit it’s potential threat to a human which is absolute bullshit regardless of breed. Don’t lose the fallacy of your argument by disregarding previous posts putting your logic in context.

And ftr, the breed in question is known to have aggressive and overtly protective tendencies.[/quote]

Yup, its known to be a bit aggressive.

To sheep.

And cattle.

I dont know man, are you saying US cops dont look like people?
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A distraction is a distraction and potentially would’ve been life threatening in the situation the cop thought he was in. It doesn’t take Cujo to inflict damage either. Of all topics, why play dumb on this one?

Just to play in to your distracting tangent though:

http://www.australiancattledogsinfo.com/australian-cattle-dog-aggression/

It is highly likely the dog wasn’t just “checking things out”, tail wagging, frolicking around but was instead tensed, moving in the stalking manner that dogs do and closing in on the cop.

The dog was right to do so, a stranger was on his turf threatening his master and mistakenly at that, but the cop had a situation to handle that you are so blatantly ignoring, which is really killing any point you maybe could’ve made out of your OP.

Who ever gave the incorrect address is at fault. The only thing the cop did wrong was refuse to apologize for the mistake.

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Good thing a 50 pound child didn’t run toward him. It would have been a threat to his life by virtue of being a distraction and he’d have needed to put it down.

Edit:

If and incorrect address or even an outright phony call gets results in an innocent pet of an innocent person getting killed infront of the owner while in compliance with the system, then the system is fucked up.

Can I have your address to report and domestic disturbance? When they shoot your loved pet I’m sure you’ll claim the system worked and the cop did the right thing.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
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Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]

He was responding to an armed domestic disturbance call…
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And that lead him to shoot a dog that goes aaaaaalllll the way up to his… knees?

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Like bully breeds kinda? Silly little puppies couldn’t harm a fly if they wanted to.[/quote]

But this wasnt a pitbull.

It did not look like a pitbull either.

It was a tiny little doggie dog looking to see whats up.

And, after ordering the owner to get a hold of his dog it took all of three nanoseconds to kill that doggie.

In case you missed it, this is what the dog looked like.[/quote]
You are intentionally using the dogs size to discredit it’s potential threat to a human which is absolute bullshit regardless of breed. Don’t lose the fallacy of your argument by disregarding previous posts putting your logic in context.

And ftr, the breed in question is known to have aggressive and overtly protective tendencies.[/quote]

Yup, its known to be a bit aggressive.

To sheep.

And cattle.

I dont know man, are you saying US cops dont look like people?
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A distraction is a distraction and potentially would’ve been life threatening in the situation the cop thought he was in. It doesn’t take Cujo to inflict damage either. Of all topics, why play dumb on this one?

Just to play in to your distracting tangent though:

http://www.australiancattledogsinfo.com/australian-cattle-dog-aggression/

It is highly likely the dog wasn’t just “checking things out”, tail wagging, frolicking around but was instead tensed, moving in the stalking manner that dogs do and closing in on the cop.

The dog was right to do so, a stranger was on his turf threatening his master and mistakenly at that, but the cop had a situation to handle that you are so blatantly ignoring, which is really killing any point you maybe could’ve made out of your OP.

Who ever gave the incorrect address is at fault. The only thing the cop did wrong was refuse to apologize for the mistake.

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Good thing a 50 pound child didn’t run toward him. It would have been a threat to his life by virtue of being a distraction and he’d have needed to put it down.[/quote]

Its cool some need put down.

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
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Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]

He was responding to an armed domestic disturbance call…
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And that lead him to shoot a dog that goes aaaaaalllll the way up to his… knees?

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Like bully breeds kinda? Silly little puppies couldn’t harm a fly if they wanted to.[/quote]

But this wasnt a pitbull.

It did not look like a pitbull either.

It was a tiny little doggie dog looking to see whats up.

And, after ordering the owner to get a hold of his dog it took all of three nanoseconds to kill that doggie.

In case you missed it, this is what the dog looked like.[/quote]
You are intentionally using the dogs size to discredit it’s potential threat to a human which is absolute bullshit regardless of breed. Don’t lose the fallacy of your argument by disregarding previous posts putting your logic in context.

And ftr, the breed in question is known to have aggressive and overtly protective tendencies.[/quote]

To copy from the OP
Paxton said he heard Cisco, who weighed about 50 pounds, barking and coming towards him from the backyard.

“I said, ‘Don’t shoot him. Don’t shoot my dog. He won’t bite you.’ But he shot him, just like that. It all happened in under 30 seconds,” Paxton said. “There was no attack on the officer other than barking and challenging him.”

Not sure what everyone else thinks challenging him is but when a dog comes at you like this most people would think it is going to bite you.
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Yep. It is almost like the guy should be dead before he defends himself.

There was a story in Houston this morning about a guy who got shot by cops last night. He was a parapalegic; lost his legs in a motorcycle wreck. The media built a big sob story around him.

He was speeding, refused to pull over and was followed until the police could stop his car with spikes.

He got out yelling," Shoot me, shoot me, I have a gun" and moved like he was reaching for something. They shot him. Evidently he didn’t have a gun but how do you know until it’s out and then you are up shit creek?

The comments under the article are critical of the cops, which I will never understand. It’s like people don’t realize that once a gun is drawn there really isn’t shit you can do. And that goes for cops and regular people exercising self defense rights.

You have a gun aimed at you and reaching for your own is asking for death. When you perceive a threat, you have to take control of the situation, gun or dog.

“Wait a minute sir, now that I know you have a gun I am going to shoot you. Hold on a second while I draw my weapon, aim it and fire.” Let’s get real.

http://www.khou.com/home/Family-mourns-loss-of-paraplegic-shot-killed-by-Montgomery-County-deputy-147787765.html

As a general comment to the thread before we get in to self defense again, at least shoot a gun one time to know what you are talking about. Draw it from a holster, bring it up and fire. Seems simple and easy to understand without experience but give yourself some actual perspective to understand the context.

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
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Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]

He was responding to an armed domestic disturbance call…
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And that lead him to shoot a dog that goes aaaaaalllll the way up to his… knees?

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Like bully breeds kinda? Silly little puppies couldn’t harm a fly if they wanted to.[/quote]

But this wasnt a pitbull.

It did not look like a pitbull either.

It was a tiny little doggie dog looking to see whats up.

And, after ordering the owner to get a hold of his dog it took all of three nanoseconds to kill that doggie.

In case you missed it, this is what the dog looked like.[/quote]
You are intentionally using the dogs size to discredit it’s potential threat to a human which is absolute bullshit regardless of breed. Don’t lose the fallacy of your argument by disregarding previous posts putting your logic in context.

And ftr, the breed in question is known to have aggressive and overtly protective tendencies.[/quote]

Yup, its known to be a bit aggressive.

To sheep.

And cattle.

I dont know man, are you saying US cops dont look like people?
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A distraction is a distraction and potentially would’ve been life threatening in the situation the cop thought he was in. It doesn’t take Cujo to inflict damage either. Of all topics, why play dumb on this one?

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Weellll, because I do not believe any highly unlikely scenario that would absolve someone in uniform of his highly fucked up actions.

I listen to bullshit, once, maybe twice and then my default position is “my, look at these bullshitters”.

I know that there is something wrong with me, the magic of state issued costumes has lost its luster for me.

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
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Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]

He was responding to an armed domestic disturbance call…
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And that lead him to shoot a dog that goes aaaaaalllll the way up to his… knees?

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Like bully breeds kinda? Silly little puppies couldn’t harm a fly if they wanted to.[/quote]

But this wasnt a pitbull.

It did not look like a pitbull either.

It was a tiny little doggie dog looking to see whats up.

And, after ordering the owner to get a hold of his dog it took all of three nanoseconds to kill that doggie.

In case you missed it, this is what the dog looked like.[/quote]
You are intentionally using the dogs size to discredit it’s potential threat to a human which is absolute bullshit regardless of breed. Don’t lose the fallacy of your argument by disregarding previous posts putting your logic in context.

And ftr, the breed in question is known to have aggressive and overtly protective tendencies.[/quote]

To copy from the OP
Paxton said he heard Cisco, who weighed about 50 pounds, barking and coming towards him from the backyard.

“I said, ‘Don’t shoot him. Don’t shoot my dog. He won’t bite you.’ But he shot him, just like that. It all happened in under 30 seconds,” Paxton said. “There was no attack on the officer other than barking and challenging him.”

Not sure what everyone else thinks challenging him is but when a dog comes at you like this most people would think it is going to bite you.
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Unless they deliver pizza.

Or letters.

Or milk.

They manage.
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Lets completely ignore previously addressed comments then.

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
[/quote]

Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]

He was responding to an armed domestic disturbance call…
[/quote]

And that lead him to shoot a dog that goes aaaaaalllll the way up to his… knees?

[/quote]
Like bully breeds kinda? Silly little puppies couldn’t harm a fly if they wanted to.[/quote]

But this wasnt a pitbull.

It did not look like a pitbull either.

It was a tiny little doggie dog looking to see whats up.

And, after ordering the owner to get a hold of his dog it took all of three nanoseconds to kill that doggie.

In case you missed it, this is what the dog looked like.[/quote]
You are intentionally using the dogs size to discredit it’s potential threat to a human which is absolute bullshit regardless of breed. Don’t lose the fallacy of your argument by disregarding previous posts putting your logic in context.

And ftr, the breed in question is known to have aggressive and overtly protective tendencies.[/quote]

Yup, its known to be a bit aggressive.

To sheep.

And cattle.

I dont know man, are you saying US cops dont look like people?
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A distraction is a distraction and potentially would’ve been life threatening in the situation the cop thought he was in. It doesn’t take Cujo to inflict damage either. Of all topics, why play dumb on this one?

Just to play in to your distracting tangent though:

http://www.australiancattledogsinfo.com/australian-cattle-dog-aggression/

It is highly likely the dog wasn’t just “checking things out”, tail wagging, frolicking around but was instead tensed, moving in the stalking manner that dogs do and closing in on the cop.

The dog was right to do so, a stranger was on his turf threatening his master and mistakenly at that, but the cop had a situation to handle that you are so blatantly ignoring, which is really killing any point you maybe could’ve made out of your OP.

Who ever gave the incorrect address is at fault. The only thing the cop did wrong was refuse to apologize for the mistake.

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Good thing a 50 pound child didn’t run toward him. It would have been a threat to his life by virtue of being a distraction and he’d have needed to put it down.[/quote]

Its cool some need put down.[/quote]

Just for clarification purposes, who in this pic is the ginger that has no soul?

Because if this is inter ginger violence we should probably mind our own business.

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
Not sure what everyone else thinks challenging him is but when a dog comes at you like this most people would think it is going to bite you.
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Totally - I’m sure it was absolutely necessary to blow that fuckin dog away since he could have received a little bite on his leg.

It’s not like he could have chosen a less aggressive route - like maybe pepper spray or say not walking into the (completely innocent/had NOTHING to do with the actual complaint) guys yard with his gun drawn - loaded for proverbial bear.

Excuses and bullshit - another overly-aggressive cop who does some sick, fucked up shit (you know, like blasting a huge hole in the family dog right in the owner’s driveway here in the goddamned good ole US of A) and then acts COMPLETELY unaccountable for it.

I guaran-fucking-tee if something like this ever happened to you I doubt you’d be so cavalier about it. It’s horrible when your home is invaded like that and then even more so (after this prick points his gun at the totally innocent guy - cause that was necessary too I’m sure - guy probably had a garden hose in his hand after all) brutally kills a beloved family dog. Yea, that’s not traumatic at all. [/quote]

Once again someone who has no real experience in the situation saying they could have done something different. He was responding to a violent situation, came up on someone who very well could have been the violator, a dog came around the corner barking and coming toward him. A decision had to be made - do it get bit and risk having to dog continue to bite me while this person who may have just violently assaulted his girlfriend uses the opportunity to attack me as well. (remembering that every time a cop shows up they bring a gun the the situation) or do I address the threat. I am not acting cavalier about it. I have said numerous times the cop made a mistake in how he dealt with the aftermath. Sorry but if it had happened to me I would feel badly for my dog (see the avatar) and realize how the situation went down from the other viewpoint.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
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Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]
It doesn’t matter if he was responding to a dog attack or not. Even if he was responding to a cat stuck in a tree and a dog decided to attack the situation would be what it was, an attacking dog, regardless of the original call. Moot point.

And while dogs are sensitive to strangers on their territory, especially with a “master” around, they certainly do respond to things such as voice tone, facial features, body language and even smell hormones indicating fight or flight responses humans can’t sense.

A pizza guy may have to fight off a dog wanting pizza but a tense, scared, aggressively positioned police officer would have to fight off a dog in defense mode.

What you are alleging is comparable to saying petting a dog and punching it beget the same response. Also a moot point.[/quote]

Weird, firefighters in strange clothing and equipment pumped up on adrenaline break down doors and enter property with dogs and owners in distress all the time and manage not to shoot them.

People have arguments with their neighbors all the time and manage not to shoot pets.

And you are right that dogs respond to fight or flight in humans, which I’m sure a pizza guy would have if a big dog came toward them, but they manage not to shoot them.[/quote]
And you, too, are intentionally ignoring context to support a bullshit point. Cool story. Come back relevant.

Firemen encounter people and dogs far beyond any kind of “fight” response and fully in to “flight” mode. Moot point. And I would be everything I own dogs have interfered with fire rescue operations and probably should’ve been shot considering.

Neighbors are not unfamiliar to a dog. Dogs do attack neighbors though. Another moot point.

Usually the pizza guy would step out of the yard and call the homeowner. He isn’t charged with the responsibility of running in to a situation where a woman is dying, saving her life and arresting the guy; a situation slightly more time critical than casually delivering a pizza and one that would require more aggressive action. Hell, they won’t even deliver if they feel they are in danger and the company refunds you.

You are really stretching to make this scenario any other.

The only thing the cop did wrong was make up a story instead of apologize for his mistake.

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
Not sure what everyone else thinks challenging him is but when a dog comes at you like this most people would think it is going to bite you.
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Totally - I’m sure it was absolutely necessary to blow that fuckin dog away since he could have received a little bite on his leg.

It’s not like he could have chosen a less aggressive route - like maybe pepper spray or say not walking into the (completely innocent/had NOTHING to do with the actual complaint) guys yard with his gun drawn - loaded for proverbial bear.

Excuses and bullshit - another overly-aggressive cop who does some sick, fucked up shit (you know, like blasting a huge hole in the family dog right in the owner’s driveway here in the goddamned good ole US of A) and then acts COMPLETELY unaccountable for it.

I guaran-fucking-tee if something like this ever happened to you I doubt you’d be so cavalier about it. It’s horrible when your home is invaded like that and then even more so (after this prick points his gun at the totally innocent guy - cause that was necessary too I’m sure - guy probably had a garden hose in his hand after all) brutally kills a beloved family dog. Yea, that’s not traumatic at all. [/quote]

Once again someone who has no real experience in the situation saying they could have done something different. He was responding to a violent situation, came up on someone who very well could have been the violator, a dog came around the corner barking and coming toward him. A decision had to be made - do it get bit and risk having to dog continue to bite me while this person who may have just violently assaulted his girlfriend uses the opportunity to attack me as well. (remembering that every time a cop shows up they bring a gun the the situation) or do I address the threat. I am not acting cavalier about it. I have said numerous times the cop made a mistake in how he dealt with the aftermath. Sorry but if it had happened to me I would feel badly for my dog (see the avatar) and realize how the situation went down from the other viewpoint.
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In Tennesse, I can have someone punching me in the face and break my nose and it doesn’t legally constitute a reasonable fear of serious bodily harm. But you are right a dog, on it’s own property, barking at me, fear of serious bodily harm?

And for the record, he was responding to the report of an alleged violent situation. He was not, in fact responding to an actually violent situation.

I wonder what would happen if we broke down doors and flowed water when we just had reports of fire (probably 80-90% of fire calls), but no actual confirmation.

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

A distraction is a distraction and potentially would’ve been life threatening in the situation the cop thought he was in…[/quote]

And possibly, the life of a woman already bleeding out in a back bedroom. According to the story it seems the officer and dispatcher had the right address. The woman who was calling for help supposedly gave the wrong address. I’m sure there’s a recording to verify.

And for the record, he was responding to the report of an alleged violent situation. He was not, in fact responding to an actually violent situation.

Not really sure how this argues your point but rather mine. He was responding to a violent situation.

Don’t you guys let most hings burn anyway?

If a guy is punching you in the face and has broken your nose you are no longer in fear of bodily harm you have bodily harm done to you already.

post came before mine so it may not make sense until you read up one post.

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
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Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]
It doesn’t matter if he was responding to a dog attack or not. Even if he was responding to a cat stuck in a tree and a dog decided to attack the situation would be what it was, an attacking dog, regardless of the original call. Moot point.

And while dogs are sensitive to strangers on their territory, especially with a “master” around, they certainly do respond to things such as voice tone, facial features, body language and even smell hormones indicating fight or flight responses humans can’t sense.

A pizza guy may have to fight off a dog wanting pizza but a tense, scared, aggressively positioned police officer would have to fight off a dog in defense mode.

What you are alleging is comparable to saying petting a dog and punching it beget the same response. Also a moot point.[/quote]

Weird, firefighters in strange clothing and equipment pumped up on adrenaline break down doors and enter property with dogs and owners in distress all the time and manage not to shoot them.

People have arguments with their neighbors all the time and manage not to shoot pets.

And you are right that dogs respond to fight or flight in humans, which I’m sure a pizza guy would have if a big dog came toward them, but they manage not to shoot them.[/quote]
And you, too, are intentionally ignoring context to support a bullshit point. Cool story. Come back relevant.

Firemen encounter people and dogs far beyond any kind of “fight” response and fully in to “flight” mode. Moot point. And I would be everything I own dogs have interfered with fire rescue operations and probably should’ve been shot considering.

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Both of these statements are bullshit. And it’s obvious you don’t have an understanding of the role and purpose of the fire service. Protection of property, not only including, but even especially, beloved pets, is one of the fundamental tasks of the fire service.

Bullshit.

ah, but he wasn’t running into that situation.

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You are really stretching to make this scenario any other.

The only thing the cop did wrong was make up a story instead of apologize for his mistake.[/quote]

Okay, this last statement is self contradictory. If shooting the dog was a mistake, then he did something wrong. If he did nothing wrong, he has nothing to apologize for because there was no mistake. It was either a mistake and he did something wrong, or it wasn’t a mistake and he didn’t do anything wrong.

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

A distraction is a distraction and potentially would’ve been life threatening in the situation the cop thought he was in…[/quote]

And possibly, the life of a woman already bleeding out in a back bedroom. According to the story it seems the officer and dispatcher had the right address. The woman who was calling for help supposedly gave the wrong address. I’m sure there’s a recording to verify.
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I guess that poor woman bleeds out somewhere else now.

Because he had some dog killing to do and bullshitting to do.

Just to stay in that scenario.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
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Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]

He was responding to an armed domestic disturbance call…
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And that lead him to shoot a dog that goes aaaaaalllll the way up to his… knees?

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Like bully breeds kinda? Silly little puppies couldn’t harm a fly if they wanted to.[/quote]

But this wasnt a pitbull.

It did not look like a pitbull either.

It was a tiny little doggie dog looking to see whats up.

And, after ordering the owner to get a hold of his dog it took all of three nanoseconds to kill that doggie.

In case you missed it, this is what the dog looked like.[/quote]
You are intentionally using the dogs size to discredit it’s potential threat to a human which is absolute bullshit regardless of breed. Don’t lose the fallacy of your argument by disregarding previous posts putting your logic in context.

And ftr, the breed in question is known to have aggressive and overtly protective tendencies.[/quote]

Yup, its known to be a bit aggressive.

To sheep.

And cattle.

I dont know man, are you saying US cops dont look like people?
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A distraction is a distraction and potentially would’ve been life threatening in the situation the cop thought he was in. It doesn’t take Cujo to inflict damage either. Of all topics, why play dumb on this one?

Just to play in to your distracting tangent though:

http://www.australiancattledogsinfo.com/australian-cattle-dog-aggression/

It is highly likely the dog wasn’t just “checking things out”, tail wagging, frolicking around but was instead tensed, moving in the stalking manner that dogs do and closing in on the cop.

The dog was right to do so, a stranger was on his turf threatening his master and mistakenly at that, but the cop had a situation to handle that you are so blatantly ignoring, which is really killing any point you maybe could’ve made out of your OP.

Who ever gave the incorrect address is at fault. The only thing the cop did wrong was refuse to apologize for the mistake.

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Good thing a 50 pound child didn’t run toward him. It would have been a threat to his life by virtue of being a distraction and he’d have needed to put it down.

Edit:

If and incorrect address or even an outright phony call gets results in an innocent pet of an innocent person getting killed infront of the owner while in compliance with the system, then the system is fucked up.

Can I have your address to report and domestic disturbance? When they shoot your loved pet I’m sure you’ll claim the system worked and the cop did the right thing.[/quote]
A very nice red herring, sir. Very nice. While we are at it, why don’t we go swimming with 50 lb sharks and pet them with dead and bleeding fish. The little tykes are so small and cute after all. Maybe we can snuggle with a bobcat and wrestle a tasmanian devil.

Should police come to my address on your false call and shoot my dogs, I would be sad indeed that my dogs had been shot.

I would understand the cops though, given the story they heard, and if my dogs ran down the driveway barking and growling.

Big picture, I’d be glad they came to check out a disturbance at my house because if I actually was being murdered I wouldn’t want a cop coddling my dog to cost me my life. I’m more valuable than my dogs.

You, on the other hand, would be responsible for the death of my dog, not the cop and should be held accountable for making false reports.

While wearing emotion on your sleeve and shooting the messenger by projecting it on to any old Jack or Tom you meet might help you through life, I prefer to understand issues for what they actually are and try to react accordingly.