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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
[/quote]

Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]

He was responding to an armed domestic disturbance call…
[/quote]

And that lead him to shoot a dog that goes aaaaaalllll the way up to his… knees?

[/quote]

Are you forgetting the armed person part of the call on purpose, or because you have a short attention span?

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
[/quote]

He was called to a domestic dispute.

He encountered one single guy standing in his garden and then he shot Rin Tin Tin.[/quote]
Yet his perception is what you can’t see and all he had to go by.

He made a mistake himself or was given an incorrect address and responded to a violent situation. It doesn’t matter who was standing in a garden. Dahmer probably stood in a garden once or twice. Totally irrelevant.

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Some states have outlawed the recording and/or videotaping any scenario where police are involved.

Gee, I wonder why?

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[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
[/quote]

Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]

He was responding to an armed domestic disturbance call…
[/quote]

And that lead him to shoot a dog that goes aaaaaalllll the way up to his… knees?

[/quote]

Are you forgetting the armed person part of the call on purpose, or because you have a short attention span? [/quote]

The guy had his hands up.

Or did you mean that the dog had a gun?

Would make sense, because realistically that is the only possible way that it posed any danger.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
[/quote]
x2.

Putting mail in a box and running in to a literally deadly situation you are supposed to take control of is about as similar as soap and dirt.

Now, lying at the end is obviously wrong. He should’ve just been honest for sure.

“I was given this address for the scene of a violent domestic dispute and when I showed up to investigate I had the potential aggressor engaged when a dog came from around the corner. With no back up, I decided to shoot the dog coming towards me instead of letting a situation potentially spiral out of control by ignoring it, getting attacked by a dog and then by the guy in the confusion. I feel terrible and I’m very sorry for the mistake.” And done.

It’s almost like police are supposed to get killed before they can defend themselves in the mind of the public. Wait, that doesn’t make sense…[/quote]

Did you read my post?

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Some states have outlawed the recording and/or videotaping any scenario where police are involved.

Gee, I wonder why?[/quote]

Because they are very modest people that are ashamed to be observed doing all that protecting and serving?

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[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
Some states have outlawed the recording and/or videotaping any scenario where police are involved.

Gee, I wonder why?[/quote]

It wouldnt matter they would show up at the wrong address anyway.

Maybe they need to install Tom Tom’s or Garmins in all PD cars.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
[/quote]
x2.

Putting mail in a box and running in to a literally deadly situation you are supposed to take control of is about as similar as soap and dirt.

Now, lying at the end is obviously wrong. He should’ve just been honest for sure.

“I was given this address for the scene of a violent domestic dispute and when I showed up to investigate I had the potential aggressor engaged when a dog came from around the corner. With no back up, I decided to shoot the dog coming towards me instead of letting a situation potentially spiral out of control by ignoring it, getting attacked by a dog and then by the guy in the confusion. I feel terrible and I’m very sorry for the mistake.” And done.

It’s almost like police are supposed to get killed before they can defend themselves in the mind of the public. Wait, that doesn’t make sense…[/quote]

Yup, this fierce violent animal charged the frail, poor cop.

50 lbs of fury and bred in aggression, equipped with a jaw that could crush… eggs or something, hell bent to inflict harm on whatever it could possibly fit into its jaws…

What would he have done with a Rottweiler, burn down the building and piss on its ashes?[/quote]
While it may not have been a breed traditionally associated with mauling, mutilating and killing full grown humans (like 50 lb pit breeds), a 50 lb dog of any breed can certainly inflict damage. Not only that but the officer mistakenly thought he was at the scene of a violent crime with a drunk and deranged man who very well could’ve been the guy in the garden.

Prying a dog off his leg and settling it down with some cooing and “good dogs” would certainly be a dangerous distraction.

You are smart enough to see that a dog could be both a direct and indirect threat in the scenario.

FTR, I love dogs. I’ve always had dogs for pets and always will. My dogs kiss me on the mouth (I don’t care if it’s gross) and I hate seeing stories where dogs are put down for essentially being dogs and acting loyally protective even if their protection was misapplied in human society.

However, the story you are painting is not the one the cop in question lived.

The only mistake he made was creating a false story, most likely out of guilt and fear of being the next martyred cop.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
[/quote]

Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]

He was responding to an armed domestic disturbance call…
[/quote]

And that lead him to shoot a dog that goes aaaaaalllll the way up to his… knees?

[/quote]
Like bully breeds kinda? Silly little puppies couldn’t harm a fly if they wanted to.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
[/quote]

He was called to a domestic dispute.

He encountered one single guy standing in his garden and then he shot Rin Tin Tin.[/quote]
Yet his perception is what you can’t see and all he had to go by.

He made a mistake himself or was given an incorrect address and responded to a violent situation. It doesn’t matter who was standing in a garden. Dahmer probably stood in a garden once or twice. Totally irrelevant.[/quote]

Aye, the caller apparently gave a wrong address. He shows up literally trying to save a woman’s life (while preserving his own). I’m not even saying there might not have been some other way. Maybe, immediate threat to a citizen’s life or not, the officer shouldn’t be allowed to immediately go in, but be made to stand by for SWAT. I don’t know. And the ass covering is inexcusable. For that alone he should go. But the situation isn’t nowhere near like having a dog come at ya while dropping the mail in a box. It’s like having a dog come at ya while reportedly armed people are present, about to possibly rip some woman’s throat open with a knife, bash in her skull, or shoot her in the back of the head.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
[/quote]

Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]

He was responding to an armed domestic disturbance call…
[/quote]

And that lead him to shoot a dog that goes aaaaaalllll the way up to his… knees?

[/quote]

Are you forgetting the armed person part of the call on purpose, or because you have a short attention span? [/quote]

The guy had his hands up.

Or did you mean that the dog had a gun?

Would make sense, because realistically that is the only possible way that it posed any danger. [/quote]

Then the dog bites onto his leg, and little or not, it can inflict damage. A little dog earned me some stiches. So he goes to kick it/shake it off/jump back, dude takes the opportunity, pulls his gun from under his shirt, kills the officer. Then, goes back inside, slits the victim’s throat, and bugs out.

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Purely anecdotal evidence here, but i did a few internships with local agencies my junior year of college, and a lot of things strike me as odd about this call. I find it strange that a single unit would respond to an armed call, official policy of most agencies that i have encountered in north Alabama is that any potentially dangerous call has a multiple unit response. Local policy also generally forbids drawing on unarmed civilians unless officers have actually witnessed a crime taking place or the person is a threat.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
[/quote]
x2.

Putting mail in a box and running in to a literally deadly situation you are supposed to take control of is about as similar as soap and dirt.

Now, lying at the end is obviously wrong. He should’ve just been honest for sure.

“I was given this address for the scene of a violent domestic dispute and when I showed up to investigate I had the potential aggressor engaged when a dog came from around the corner. With no back up, I decided to shoot the dog coming towards me instead of letting a situation potentially spiral out of control by ignoring it, getting attacked by a dog and then by the guy in the confusion. I feel terrible and I’m very sorry for the mistake.” And done.

It’s almost like police are supposed to get killed before they can defend themselves in the mind of the public. Wait, that doesn’t make sense…[/quote]

Did you read my post?[/quote]
Yes. However, the tone of the conversation since is critical of the cops actions before he realized he made a mistake, or was mistakenly given the wrong address, and not his lack of apology after.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
[/quote]

Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]

He was responding to an armed domestic disturbance call…
[/quote]

And that lead him to shoot a dog that goes aaaaaalllll the way up to his… knees?

[/quote]
Like bully breeds kinda? Silly little puppies couldn’t harm a fly if they wanted to.[/quote]

But this wasnt a pitbull.

It did not look like a pitbull either.

It was a tiny little doggie dog looking to see whats up.

And, after ordering the owner to get a hold of his dog it took all of three nanoseconds to kill that doggie.

In case you missed it, this is what the dog looked like.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
[/quote]

Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]

He was responding to an armed domestic disturbance call…
[/quote]

And that lead him to shoot a dog that goes aaaaaalllll the way up to his… knees?

[/quote]
Like bully breeds kinda? Silly little puppies couldn’t harm a fly if they wanted to.[/quote]

But this wasnt a pitbull.

It did not look like a pitbull either.

It was a tiny little doggie dog looking to see whats up.

And, after ordering the owner to get a hold of his dog it took all of three nanoseconds to kill that doggie.

In case you missed it, this is what the dog looked like.[/quote]
You are intentionally using the dogs size to discredit it’s potential threat to a human which is absolute bullshit regardless of breed. Don’t lose the fallacy of your argument by disregarding previous posts putting your logic in context.

And ftr, the breed in question is known to have aggressive and overtly protective tendencies.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
[/quote]
x2.

Putting mail in a box and running in to a literally deadly situation you are supposed to take control of is about as similar as soap and dirt.

Now, lying at the end is obviously wrong. He should’ve just been honest for sure.

“I was given this address for the scene of a violent domestic dispute and when I showed up to investigate I had the potential aggressor engaged when a dog came from around the corner. With no back up, I decided to shoot the dog coming towards me instead of letting a situation potentially spiral out of control by ignoring it, getting attacked by a dog and then by the guy in the confusion. I feel terrible and I’m very sorry for the mistake.” And done.

It’s almost like police are supposed to get killed before they can defend themselves in the mind of the public. Wait, that doesn’t make sense…[/quote]

Did you read my post?[/quote]
Yes. However, the tone of the conversation since is critical of the cops actions before he realized he made a mistake, or was mistakenly given the wrong address, and not his lack of apology after.

[/quote]

True, I still think he is a tard and should be shit canned.

Carry on

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:

You make this look like an everyday thing. Cops tampering with evidence, killing people. If you lie in court you are never allowed to testify again it is the law. Please take a moment to read up on the number of cops who die in the line of duty and remember they have families who they say goodby to everyday for possibly the last time. I now someone will response with soldiers and please remember them too.
[/quote]

Dude, what does commemorating fallen heroes have to do with cops killing people when they shouldn’t?

You have me laughing with this. It is like those people during the Bush’s presidency acting like any negative word about the president meant “you hated America”.

LOL. I can point out every fucked up action a cop makes in public without denying that some good ones exist.

But the good ones aren’t killing us…so why bring them up now?

The problem is ALL of those bad ones over there.[/quote]

You so often conflict yourself. Every time I say the guy messed up I a glazing over the subject that you keep pointing out is cops are fucked up and need to be watched. Then I say yes there are some that are but the majority are good and you say bullshit. I have a hard time figuring out where you really stands on this. I talk about fallen heroes as you put it to point out that many cops die in the line of duty because they are faced with split second declensions that may end up with the loss of life theirs or someones. the problem is you don’t point out the single action of one person you generalize this to entire profession. It would be the same as if I said all dentist are a certain way based on my experience with one or my reading a partial story about one.

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[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:

You make this look like an everyday thing. Cops tampering with evidence, killing people. If you lie in court you are never allowed to testify again it is the law. Please take a moment to read up on the number of cops who die in the line of duty and remember they have families who they say goodby to everyday for possibly the last time. I now someone will response with soldiers and please remember them too.
[/quote]

Dude, what does commemorating fallen heroes have to do with cops killing people when they shouldn’t?

You have me laughing with this. It is like those people during the Bush’s presidency acting like any negative word about the president meant “you hated America”.

LOL. I can point out every fucked up action a cop makes in public without denying that some good ones exist.

But the good ones aren’t killing us…so why bring them up now?

The problem is ALL of those bad ones over there.[/quote]

You so often conflict yourself. Every time I say the guy messed up I a glazing over the subject that you keep pointing out is cops are fucked up and need to be watched. Then I say yes there are some that are but the majority are good and you say bullshit. I have a hard time figuring out where you really stands on this. I talk about fallen heroes as you put it to point out that many cops die in the line of duty because they are faced with split second declensions that may end up with the loss of life theirs or someones. the problem is you don’t point out the single action of one person you generalize this to entire profession. It would be the same as if I said all dentist are a certain way based on my experience with one or my reading a partial story about one.
[/quote]
He will stand where ever you don’t. Even if you go in circles. Just so you know.

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
[/quote]

Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]

He was responding to an armed domestic disturbance call…
[/quote]

And that lead him to shoot a dog that goes aaaaaalllll the way up to his… knees?

[/quote]
Like bully breeds kinda? Silly little puppies couldn’t harm a fly if they wanted to.[/quote]

But this wasnt a pitbull.

It did not look like a pitbull either.

It was a tiny little doggie dog looking to see whats up.

And, after ordering the owner to get a hold of his dog it took all of three nanoseconds to kill that doggie.

In case you missed it, this is what the dog looked like.[/quote]
You are intentionally using the dogs size to discredit it’s potential threat to a human which is absolute bullshit regardless of breed. Don’t lose the fallacy of your argument by disregarding previous posts putting your logic in context.

And ftr, the breed in question is known to have aggressive and overtly protective tendencies.[/quote]

Yup, its known to be a bit aggressive.

To sheep.

And cattle.

I dont know man, are you saying US cops dont look like people?

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[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Sloth wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]

A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.

There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
[/quote]

Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]

He was responding to an armed domestic disturbance call…
[/quote]

And that lead him to shoot a dog that goes aaaaaalllll the way up to his… knees?

[/quote]
Like bully breeds kinda? Silly little puppies couldn’t harm a fly if they wanted to.[/quote]

But this wasnt a pitbull.

It did not look like a pitbull either.

It was a tiny little doggie dog looking to see whats up.

And, after ordering the owner to get a hold of his dog it took all of three nanoseconds to kill that doggie.

In case you missed it, this is what the dog looked like.[/quote]
You are intentionally using the dogs size to discredit it’s potential threat to a human which is absolute bullshit regardless of breed. Don’t lose the fallacy of your argument by disregarding previous posts putting your logic in context.

And ftr, the breed in question is known to have aggressive and overtly protective tendencies.[/quote]

To copy from the OP
Paxton said he heard Cisco, who weighed about 50 pounds, barking and coming towards him from the backyard.

“I said, ‘Don’t shoot him. Don’t shoot my dog. He won’t bite you.’ But he shot him, just like that. It all happened in under 30 seconds,” Paxton said. “There was no attack on the officer other than barking and challenging him.”

Not sure what everyone else thinks challenging him is but when a dog comes at you like this most people would think it is going to bite you.