Well I have spent way more time on this than I had planned. I thank all for their opinion and hope that when you do need a cop he/she is not fucked up.
[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
You make this look like an everyday thing. Cops tampering with evidence, killing people. If you lie in court you are never allowed to testify again it is the law. Please take a moment to read up on the number of cops who die in the line of duty and remember they have families who they say goodby to everyday for possibly the last time. I now someone will response with soldiers and please remember them too.
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Dude, what does commemorating fallen heroes have to do with cops killing people when they shouldn’t?
You have me laughing with this. It is like those people during the Bush’s presidency acting like any negative word about the president meant “you hated America”.
LOL. I can point out every fucked up action a cop makes in public without denying that some good ones exist.
But the good ones aren’t killing us…so why bring them up now?
The problem is ALL of those bad ones over there.
[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
If you lie in court you are never allowed to testify again it is the law.
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And if ordinary Joe does it?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
If you lie in court you are never allowed to testify again it is the law.
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And if ordinary Joe does it?[/quote]
In federal court and some states perjury is a felony. In most states perjury is only a misdemeanor. Either way your looking at jail time.
[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Roscoe I have been in the Medical field for 20 years, 14 of that working ER and I had more officers come to my aid than I could count. I also have had many friends on the force, and if you watch the news than maybe you would see that EVERYBODY in medical field that fucks up is on the news also.
The medical field example was not that oh someone died and we did all we can, this was the Dr fucked up and the patient had a bad outcome. They get sued and many lose there license or have restrictions that basically kill their practice.
Anybody in a service oriented public profession need to have license, oversight and accountability. PLUS people in law enforcement should want this, cause you know why. With all that above would come higher pay scale. [/quote]
Derek First off I thank you and all the others in the ER since I have had very good friends who have had their lives saved by you guys. I will once again agree that we should be held to a higher standard. I just don’t like the blanket statement that cops are fucked up. My point is sometimes very good cops are forced to take a life in a split second then the public gets months to tear it down and see where they went wrong. As you can see from my avatar I have a very large bull mastiff he is about 150 lbs. Everywhere I go people back up but if they only knew he would lick you to death they would laugh. Still it does not make him any more intimidating.
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I agree no one should make a blanket statement about any profession well maybe a porno fluffer but that is another thread.
I just think that in today society we have come to a point that law enforcement needs an over hall and the old school way of handling things needs to change.
[quote]orion wrote:
As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]
A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.
There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Roscoe I have been in the Medical field for 20 years, 14 of that working ER and I had more officers come to my aid than I could count. I also have had many friends on the force, and if you watch the news than maybe you would see that EVERYBODY in medical field that fucks up is on the news also.
The medical field example was not that oh someone died and we did all we can, this was the Dr fucked up and the patient had a bad outcome. They get sued and many lose there license or have restrictions that basically kill their practice.
Anybody in a service oriented public profession need to have license, oversight and accountability. PLUS people in law enforcement should want this, cause you know why. With all that above would come higher pay scale. [/quote]
Derek First off I thank you and all the others in the ER since I have had very good friends who have had their lives saved by you guys. I will once again agree that we should be held to a higher standard. I just don’t like the blanket statement that cops are fucked up. My point is sometimes very good cops are forced to take a life in a split second then the public gets months to tear it down and see where they went wrong. As you can see from my avatar I have a very large bull mastiff he is about 150 lbs. Everywhere I go people back up but if they only knew he would lick you to death they would laugh. Still it does not make him any more intimidating.
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For the record I never said cops are fucked up. I said the institution is.
“My point is sometimes very good cops are forced to take a life in a split second then the public gets months to tear it down and see where they went wrong.” Sorry, that’s part of the responsibility you assume.
But if the system is set up in such a way that a good person with good intentions gets put in a situation where they can easily destroy the entire lives of innocent people in a split second, then that system is fucked up.
Firefighters risk their lives to save dogs and other property all the time. A cop should take a certain level of personal risk to ensure the safety of those also. That would mean, not shooting a dog that is walking up to you. Hell, I’d even go as far as not killing a dog when going into a residence, even if it attacks you. The dog has a reasonable reason to attack an intruder breaking down the door. If a cop isn’t prepared to take the personal risk of getting bit, he shouldn’t be kicking in a door.
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[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]
A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.
There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
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He was called to a domestic dispute.
He encountered one single guy standing in his garden and then he shot Rin Tin Tin.
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]
A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.
There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
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Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.
The Police are human just like the rest of us. They make the same mistakes except they are asked to do and deal with crazier shit than most of us so a mistake by them can be a life and death mistake. Its because I know they can fuck up in a major way I do not want them given BLANKET authority over me.
The Media and those seeking office enjoy making us feel like our self protection is dependent on Fear Base laws and More authority given to the police.
[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
As most cops will say “people are only happy to see them when there shit is in danger”. They forget they are people too and subject to making mistakes. The bar for a cop is much higher than most. They have to make decisions in a fraction of the time you get to sit back and Monday morning quarterback them.
Yes it was not a pit bull but none the less capable of inflicting damage. Did the dispatcher sent the unit to the wrong address? We don’t know. But to say we are all in danger by these fucked up cops is going a bit overboard. Please understand I am not saying this is not a sad situation but it does not justify a the blanket staements being made.[/quote]
Yes it does. There are exceptions, however the overwhelming authority police officers have in this country, especially after 9/11, is astonishing to the point that they have become a danger.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]
A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.
There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
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He was called to a domestic dispute.
He encountered one single guy standing in his garden and then he shot Rin Tin Tin.[/quote]
He was called to a domestic dispute where one person was being threatened by an armed drunk. He wasn’t showing up to give the talk to some kid who slapped his mother. His actions aren’t above criticism, but let’s not pretend he was delivering mail on a nice sunny day.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]
A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.
There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
[/quote]
Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]
He was responding to an armed domestic disturbance call…
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]
A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.
There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
[/quote]
Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]
Maybe a drunken dog had threatened someone with a knife in the neighborhood?
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]
A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.
There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
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x2.
Putting mail in a box and running in to a literally deadly situation you are supposed to take control of is about as similar as soap and dirt.
Now, lying at the end is obviously wrong. He should’ve just been honest for sure.
“I was given this address for the scene of a violent domestic dispute and when I showed up to investigate I had the potential aggressor engaged when a dog came from around the corner. With no back up, I decided to shoot the dog coming towards me instead of letting a situation potentially spiral out of control by ignoring it, getting attacked by a dog and then by the guy in the confusion. I feel terrible and I’m very sorry for the mistake.” And done.
It’s almost like police are supposed to get killed before they can defend themselves in the mind of the public. Wait, that doesn’t make sense…
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]
A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.
There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
[/quote]
Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]
He was responding to an armed domestic disturbance call…
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And that lead him to shoot a dog that goes aaaaaalllll the way up to his… knees?
[quote]Brother Chris wrote:
[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
As most cops will say “people are only happy to see them when there shit is in danger”. They forget they are people too and subject to making mistakes. The bar for a cop is much higher than most. They have to make decisions in a fraction of the time you get to sit back and Monday morning quarterback them.
Yes it was not a pit bull but none the less capable of inflicting damage. Did the dispatcher sent the unit to the wrong address? We don’t know. But to say we are all in danger by these fucked up cops is going a bit overboard. Please understand I am not saying this is not a sad situation but it does not justify a the blanket staements being made.[/quote]
Yes it does. There are exceptions, however the overwhelming authority police officers have in this country, especially after 9/11, is astonishing to the point that they have become a danger.
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Its our fault. We allow Fear to form our Laws. With a big smile on our face we hand over our rights to the Authorities to guard us. We have allowed ourselves to become prisoners on our own streets.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]
A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.
There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
[/quote]
Wrong. they all have to deal with the same dogs. he wasn’t responding to a call about a dog attacking someone. He had no greater reason or urgency to be weary of (and shoot) the dog than a pizza man.[/quote]
It doesn’t matter if he was responding to a dog attack or not. Even if he was responding to a cat stuck in a tree and a dog decided to attack the situation would be what it was, an attacking dog, regardless of the original call. Moot point.
And while dogs are sensitive to strangers on their territory, especially with a “master” around, they certainly do respond to things such as voice tone, facial features, body language and even smell hormones indicating fight or flight responses humans can’t sense.
A pizza guy may have to fight off a dog wanting pizza but a tense, scared, aggressively positioned police officer would have to fight off a dog in defense mode.
What you are alleging is comparable to saying petting a dog and punching it beget the same response. Also a moot point.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]Sloth wrote:
[quote]orion wrote:
As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.[/quote]
A gazillion people aren’t sent to save someone from an armed person, the situation as he understood it.
There’s plenty to criticize without pretending the line of work itself is equivalent to delivering the mail.
[/quote]
x2.
Putting mail in a box and running in to a literally deadly situation you are supposed to take control of is about as similar as soap and dirt.
Now, lying at the end is obviously wrong. He should’ve just been honest for sure.
“I was given this address for the scene of a violent domestic dispute and when I showed up to investigate I had the potential aggressor engaged when a dog came from around the corner. With no back up, I decided to shoot the dog coming towards me instead of letting a situation potentially spiral out of control by ignoring it, getting attacked by a dog and then by the guy in the confusion. I feel terrible and I’m very sorry for the mistake.” And done.
It’s almost like police are supposed to get killed before they can defend themselves in the mind of the public. Wait, that doesn’t make sense…[/quote]
Yup, this fierce violent animal charged the frail, poor cop.
50 lbs of fury and bred in aggression, equipped with a jaw that could crush… eggs or something, hell bent to inflict harm on whatever it could possibly fit into its jaws…
What would he have done with a Rottweiler, burn down the building and piss on its ashes?