Puppycide in Austin

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[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
As most cops will say “people are only happy to see them when there shit is in danger”. They forget they are people too and subject to making mistakes. The bar for a cop is much higher than most. They have to make decisions in a fraction of the time you get to sit back and Monday morning quarterback them. Yes it was not a pit bull but none the less capable of inflicting damage. Did the dispatcher sent the unit to the wrong address? We don’t know. But to say we are all in danger by these fucked up cops is going a bit overboard. Please understand I am not saying this is not a sad situation but it does not justify a the blanket staements being made.[/quote]

Yes.

The dog could have pissed on his shoes.

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[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
As most cops will say “people are only happy to see them when there shit is in danger”. They forget they are people too and subject to making mistakes. The bar for a cop is much higher than most. They have to make decisions in a fraction of the time you get to sit back and Monday morning quarterback them. Yes it was not a pit bull but none the less capable of inflicting damage. Did the dispatcher sent the unit to the wrong address? We don’t know. But to say we are all in danger by these fucked up cops is going a bit overboard. Please understand I am not saying this is not a sad situation but it does not justify a the blanket staements being made.[/quote]

Well said, however the END situation was what really throws people over the edge. People make mistakes like you said but when we do we are remorseful and apologetic. When you make a mistake and then cover it up or down right deny responsibility is where we have a problem here.

This arrogant fuck head kills this guys dog and then basically tells him to fuck off. The officer in question and even his supervisor feel they are untouchable and not accountable and that should never been accepted.

This doesnt happen in the medical field or legal arena, you fuck up you could not only lose your license but you can be sued. So maybe that “bar” needs to be set a little bit higher for law enforcement.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
As most cops will say “people are only happy to see them when there shit is in danger”. They forget they are people too and subject to making mistakes. The bar for a cop is much higher than most. They have to make decisions in a fraction of the time you get to sit back and Monday morning quarterback them. Yes it was not a pit bull but none the less capable of inflicting damage. Did the dispatcher sent the unit to the wrong address? We don’t know. But to say we are all in danger by these fucked up cops is going a bit overboard. Please understand I am not saying this is not a sad situation but it does not justify a the blanket staements being made.[/quote]

Well said, however the END situation was what really throws people over the edge. People make mistakes like you said but when we do we are remorseful and apologetic. When you make a mistake and then cover it up or down right deny responsibility is where we have a problem here.

This arrogant fuck head kills this guys dog and then basically tells him to fuck off. The officer in question and even his supervisor feel they are untouchable and not accountable and that should never been accepted.

This doesnt happen in the medical field or legal arena, you fuck up you could not only lose your license but you can be sued. So maybe that “bar” needs to be set a little bit higher for law enforcement. [/quote]

Damn well said, D. Especially that last part.

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[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
As most cops will say “people are only happy to see them when there shit is in danger”. They forget they are people too and subject to making mistakes. The bar for a cop is much higher than most. They have to make decisions in a fraction of the time you get to sit back and Monday morning quarterback them. Yes it was not a pit bull but none the less capable of inflicting damage. Did the dispatcher sent the unit to the wrong address? We don’t know. But to say we are all in danger by these fucked up cops is going a bit overboard. Please understand I am not saying this is not a sad situation but it does not justify a the blanket staements being made.[/quote]

And when we fuck up…we are held responsible for our “fuck ups.” I understand where you’re coming from…but you’re missing a huge part in these situations: personal responsibility. You made a blanket statement yourself without realizing it. Oh…and YES it is known that the officer was sent to wrong address. How could you miss that?

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
As most cops will say “people are only happy to see them when there shit is in danger”. They forget they are people too and subject to making mistakes. The bar for a cop is much higher than most. They have to make decisions in a fraction of the time you get to sit back and Monday morning quarterback them. Yes it was not a pit bull but none the less capable of inflicting damage. Did the dispatcher sent the unit to the wrong address? We don’t know. But to say we are all in danger by these fucked up cops is going a bit overboard. Please understand I am not saying this is not a sad situation but it does not justify a the blanket staements being made.[/quote]

Well said, however the END situation was what really throws people over the edge. People make mistakes like you said but when we do we are remorseful and apologetic. When you make a mistake and then cover it up or down right deny responsibility is where we have a problem here.

This arrogant fuck head kills this guys dog and then basically tells him to fuck off. The officer in question and even his supervisor feel they are untouchable and not accountable and that should never been accepted.

This doesnt happen in the medical field or legal arena, you fuck up you could not only lose your license but you can be sued. So maybe that “bar” needs to be set a little bit higher for law enforcement. [/quote]

No, just no.

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.

Especially not itzy bitzy tiny dogs that come looking whats up.

Hey, I delivered mail at 15.

Not one dog was harmed, I swear.

Though there was one white bulldog with bloodshot eyes that I still remember.

I swear it was drinking heavily and I was his Jehovas Witness.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
As most cops will say “people are only happy to see them when there shit is in danger”. They forget they are people too and subject to making mistakes. The bar for a cop is much higher than most. They have to make decisions in a fraction of the time you get to sit back and Monday morning quarterback them. Yes it was not a pit bull but none the less capable of inflicting damage. Did the dispatcher sent the unit to the wrong address? We don’t know. But to say we are all in danger by these fucked up cops is going a bit overboard. Please understand I am not saying this is not a sad situation but it does not justify a the blanket staements being made.[/quote]

Well said, however the END situation was what really throws people over the edge. People make mistakes like you said but when we do we are remorseful and apologetic. When you make a mistake and then cover it up or down right deny responsibility is where we have a problem here.

This arrogant fuck head kills this guys dog and then basically tells him to fuck off. The officer in question and even his supervisor feel they are untouchable and not accountable and that should never been accepted.

This doesnt happen in the medical field or legal arena, you fuck up you could not only lose your license but you can be sued. So maybe that “bar” needs to be set a little bit higher for law enforcement. [/quote]

Well said my friend. Last paragraph hit it home.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
As most cops will say “people are only happy to see them when there shit is in danger”. They forget they are people too and subject to making mistakes. The bar for a cop is much higher than most. They have to make decisions in a fraction of the time you get to sit back and Monday morning quarterback them. Yes it was not a pit bull but none the less capable of inflicting damage. Did the dispatcher sent the unit to the wrong address? We don’t know. But to say we are all in danger by these fucked up cops is going a bit overboard. Please understand I am not saying this is not a sad situation but it does not justify a the blanket staements being made.[/quote]

Well said, however the END situation was what really throws people over the edge. People make mistakes like you said but when we do we are remorseful and apologetic. When you make a mistake and then cover it up or down right deny responsibility is where we have a problem here.

This arrogant fuck head kills this guys dog and then basically tells him to fuck off. The officer in question and even his supervisor feel they are untouchable and not accountable and that should never been accepted.

This doesnt happen in the medical field or legal arena, you fuck up you could not only lose your license but you can be sued. So maybe that “bar” needs to be set a little bit higher for law enforcement. [/quote]

No, just no.

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.

Especially not itzy bitzy tiny dogs that come looking whats up.

Hey, I delivered mail at 15.

Not one dog was harmed, I swear.

Though there was one white bulldog with bloodshot eyes that I still remember.

I swear it was drinking heavily and I was his Jehovas Witness. [/quote]

I do agree that the bar is should be higher for law enforcement. Being in law enforcement for nearly 20 years now I think I can speak on the subject. As far as the the mailman example I think it is a joke because you guys don’t carry guns and do not put yourself in harms way for other people. The medical field example is also funny. When a doctor looses a patient he has “done all he can” if someone gets away we are all fucked up and can’t do our jobs. Yes this guy is a jerk and lied when his supervisor showed up but there are jerks in every field and liars as well. My point was not to the guy and his mistake but to the following post saying that some grandma will get shot for brownies. I know this was said to be funny but the only stories that make the news are the fuck ups. You don’t hear about the hundreds of times cops go above and beyond to help someone.

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[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
As most cops will say “people are only happy to see them when there shit is in danger”. They forget they are people too and subject to making mistakes. The bar for a cop is much higher than most. They have to make decisions in a fraction of the time you get to sit back and Monday morning quarterback them. Yes it was not a pit bull but none the less capable of inflicting damage. Did the dispatcher sent the unit to the wrong address? We don’t know. But to say we are all in danger by these fucked up cops is going a bit overboard. Please understand I am not saying this is not a sad situation but it does not justify a the blanket staements being made.[/quote]

Well said, however the END situation was what really throws people over the edge. People make mistakes like you said but when we do we are remorseful and apologetic. When you make a mistake and then cover it up or down right deny responsibility is where we have a problem here.

This arrogant fuck head kills this guys dog and then basically tells him to fuck off. The officer in question and even his supervisor feel they are untouchable and not accountable and that should never been accepted.

This doesnt happen in the medical field or legal arena, you fuck up you could not only lose your license but you can be sued. So maybe that “bar” needs to be set a little bit higher for law enforcement. [/quote]

No, just no.

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.

Especially not itzy bitzy tiny dogs that come looking whats up.

Hey, I delivered mail at 15.

Not one dog was harmed, I swear.

Though there was one white bulldog with bloodshot eyes that I still remember.

I swear it was drinking heavily and I was his Jehovas Witness. [/quote]

I do agree that the bar is should be higher for law enforcement. Being in law enforcement for nearly 20 years now I think I can speak on the subject. As far as the the mailman example I think it is a joke because you guys don’t carry guns and do not put yourself in harms way for other people. The medical field example is also funny. When a doctor looses a patient he has “done all he can” if someone gets away we are all fucked up and can’t do our jobs. Yes this guy is a jerk and lied when his supervisor showed up but there are jerks in every field and liars as well. My point was not to the guy and his mistake but to the following post saying that some grandma will get shot for brownies. I know this was said to be funny but the only stories that make the news are the fuck ups. You don’t hear about the hundreds of times cops go above and beyond to help someone.
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This response is all kinds of wrong. If a doctor KILLS a patient through negligence, you can bet your ass his license is on the line. You seem to be grazing right over the fact that the cops in question ARE FUCKING UP and then displacing the blame to everything from the people around them to the stress of the situation.

A veteran was just killed for not opening his door to cops checking on his life alert. How is the grandmother example so far fetched? There was a case last year of a grandmother getting shot in her own home when UNDERCOVER cops kicked in her door and she shot back at them. They had the wrong house.

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Roscoe I have been in the Medical field for 20 years, 14 of that working ER and I had more officers come to my aid than I could count. I also have had many friends on the force, and if you watch the news than maybe you would see that EVERYBODY in medical field that fucks up is on the news also.

The medical field example was not that oh someone died and we did all we can, this was the Dr fucked up and the patient had a bad outcome. They get sued and many lose there license or have restrictions that basically kill their practice.

Anybody in a service oriented public profession need to have license, oversight and accountability. PLUS people in law enforcement should want this, cause you know why. With all that above would come higher pay scale.

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[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
As most cops will say “people are only happy to see them when there shit is in danger”. They forget they are people too and subject to making mistakes. The bar for a cop is much higher than most. They have to make decisions in a fraction of the time you get to sit back and Monday morning quarterback them.

Yes it was not a pit bull but none the less capable of inflicting damage. Did the dispatcher sent the unit to the wrong address? We don’t know. But to say we are all in danger by these fucked up cops is going a bit overboard. Please understand I am not saying this is not a sad situation but it does not justify a the blanket staements being made.[/quote]

But there are blanket statements that can be made from these occurrences. Cops are routinely held to a lower standard than ordinary people. You can rest assured that if I’d walked onto this guy’s property without reason, pulled a gun on him, and shot his dog, I’d be in jail. The cop at worst could lose his job, but probably will get a slap on the wrist. I can make the blanket statement that the institution of police, and the way it is implemented in society, is fucked up.

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sets up tent

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[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
As most cops will say “people are only happy to see them when there shit is in danger”. They forget they are people too and subject to making mistakes. The bar for a cop is much higher than most. They have to make decisions in a fraction of the time you get to sit back and Monday morning quarterback them. Yes it was not a pit bull but none the less capable of inflicting damage. Did the dispatcher sent the unit to the wrong address? We don’t know. But to say we are all in danger by these fucked up cops is going a bit overboard. Please understand I am not saying this is not a sad situation but it does not justify a the blanket staements being made.[/quote]

Well said, however the END situation was what really throws people over the edge. People make mistakes like you said but when we do we are remorseful and apologetic. When you make a mistake and then cover it up or down right deny responsibility is where we have a problem here.

This arrogant fuck head kills this guys dog and then basically tells him to fuck off. The officer in question and even his supervisor feel they are untouchable and not accountable and that should never been accepted.

This doesnt happen in the medical field or legal arena, you fuck up you could not only lose your license but you can be sued. So maybe that “bar” needs to be set a little bit higher for law enforcement. [/quote]

No, just no.

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.

Especially not itzy bitzy tiny dogs that come looking whats up.

Hey, I delivered mail at 15.

Not one dog was harmed, I swear.

Though there was one white bulldog with bloodshot eyes that I still remember.

I swear it was drinking heavily and I was his Jehovas Witness. [/quote]

I do agree that the bar is should be higher for law enforcement. Being in law enforcement for nearly 20 years now I think I can speak on the subject. As far as the the mailman example I think it is a joke because you guys don’t carry guns and do not put yourself in harms way for other people. The medical field example is also funny. When a doctor looses a patient he has “done all he can” if someone gets away we are all fucked up and can’t do our jobs. Yes this guy is a jerk and lied when his supervisor showed up but there are jerks in every field and liars as well. My point was not to the guy and his mistake but to the following post saying that some grandma will get shot for brownies. I know this was said to be funny but the only stories that make the news are the fuck ups. You don’t hear about the hundreds of times cops go above and beyond to help someone.
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Duuuuudeeee…

Did you click on the pizzaguy link?

These guys do not exactly have it rosy either, and all they got to deal with it is a 15 year old POS Honda and a lasagna al forno.

Yup, did that too.

Though I had a 10 year old Toyota.

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Roscoe I have been in the Medical field for 20 years, 14 of that working ER and I had more officers come to my aid than I could count. I also have had many friends on the force, and if you watch the news than maybe you would see that EVERYBODY in medical field that fucks up is on the news also.

The medical field example was not that oh someone died and we did all we can, this was the Dr fucked up and the patient had a bad outcome. They get sued and many lose there license or have restrictions that basically kill their practice.

Anybody in a service oriented public profession need to have license, oversight and accountability. PLUS people in law enforcement should want this, cause you know why. With all that above would come higher pay scale. [/quote]

Derek First off I thank you and all the others in the ER since I have had very good friends who have had their lives saved by you guys. I will once again agree that we should be held to a higher standard. I just don’t like the blanket statement that cops are fucked up. My point is sometimes very good cops are forced to take a life in a split second then the public gets months to tear it down and see where they went wrong. As you can see from my avatar I have a very large bull mastiff he is about 150 lbs. Everywhere I go people back up but if they only knew he would lick you to death they would laugh. Still it does not make him any more intimidating.

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repost, but still relevant.

Sad story, hopefully this gets to internal affairs at the Austin p.d. Nothing against cops in general but, they have much more power to fuck up people’s lives both physically and legally than nearly any profession and have legal protections for it as long as they are “acting under the color of the law” and should be held too a much higher standard.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
As most cops will say “people are only happy to see them when there shit is in danger”. They forget they are people too and subject to making mistakes. The bar for a cop is much higher than most. They have to make decisions in a fraction of the time you get to sit back and Monday morning quarterback them.

Yes it was not a pit bull but none the less capable of inflicting damage. Did the dispatcher sent the unit to the wrong address? We don’t know. But to say we are all in danger by these fucked up cops is going a bit overboard. Please understand I am not saying this is not a sad situation but it does not justify a the blanket staements being made.[/quote]

But there are blanket statements that can be made from these occurrences. Cops are routinely held to a lower standard than ordinary people. You can rest assured that if I’d walked onto this guy’s property without reason, pulled a gun on him, and shot his dog, I’d be in jail. The cop at worst could lose his job, but probably will get a slap on the wrist. I can make the blanket statement that the institution of police, and the way it is implemented in society, is fucked up.[/quote]
DD if I remember correctly you are a firefighter. So I assume you have worked closely with law enforcement who have had to secure scene prior to your being able to go in and do your job.
To say that we are held to a lower standard is absurd.

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[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
As most cops will say “people are only happy to see them when there shit is in danger”. They forget they are people too and subject to making mistakes. The bar for a cop is much higher than most. They have to make decisions in a fraction of the time you get to sit back and Monday morning quarterback them.

Yes it was not a pit bull but none the less capable of inflicting damage. Did the dispatcher sent the unit to the wrong address? We don’t know. But to say we are all in danger by these fucked up cops is going a bit overboard. Please understand I am not saying this is not a sad situation but it does not justify a the blanket staements being made.[/quote]

But there are blanket statements that can be made from these occurrences. Cops are routinely held to a lower standard than ordinary people. You can rest assured that if I’d walked onto this guy’s property without reason, pulled a gun on him, and shot his dog, I’d be in jail. The cop at worst could lose his job, but probably will get a slap on the wrist. I can make the blanket statement that the institution of police, and the way it is implemented in society, is fucked up.[/quote]
DD if I remember correctly you are a firefighter. So I assume you have worked closely with law enforcement who have had to secure scene prior to your being able to go in and do your job.
To say that we are held to a lower standard is absurd. [/quote]

Who else can tamper with evidence without going for jail for it?

Who else can kill people, offer the flimsiest excuses and get away with it?

Who else can storm into a house unannounced fuck everything up and arrest people who resist though the word “police” was never uttered and jail anyone who resists?

Who else can get caught lying to a prosecutor or judge without going to jail?

Looks like a lower standard to me.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
As most cops will say “people are only happy to see them when there shit is in danger”. They forget they are people too and subject to making mistakes. The bar for a cop is much higher than most. They have to make decisions in a fraction of the time you get to sit back and Monday morning quarterback them. Yes it was not a pit bull but none the less capable of inflicting damage. Did the dispatcher sent the unit to the wrong address? We don’t know. But to say we are all in danger by these fucked up cops is going a bit overboard. Please understand I am not saying this is not a sad situation but it does not justify a the blanket staements being made.[/quote]

Well said, however the END situation was what really throws people over the edge. People make mistakes like you said but when we do we are remorseful and apologetic. When you make a mistake and then cover it up or down right deny responsibility is where we have a problem here.

This arrogant fuck head kills this guys dog and then basically tells him to fuck off. The officer in question and even his supervisor feel they are untouchable and not accountable and that should never been accepted.

This doesnt happen in the medical field or legal arena, you fuck up you could not only lose your license but you can be sued. So maybe that “bar” needs to be set a little bit higher for law enforcement. [/quote]

No, just no.

As I have posted above a gazillion of people doe their jobs every day and they do not kill dogs.

Especially not itzy bitzy tiny dogs that come looking whats up.

Hey, I delivered mail at 15.

Not one dog was harmed, I swear.

Though there was one white bulldog with bloodshot eyes that I still remember.

I swear it was drinking heavily and I was his Jehovas Witness. [/quote]

I do agree that the bar is should be higher for law enforcement. Being in law enforcement for nearly 20 years now I think I can speak on the subject. As far as the the mailman example I think it is a joke because you guys don’t carry guns and do not put yourself in harms way for other people. The medical field example is also funny. When a doctor looses a patient he has “done all he can” if someone gets away we are all fucked up and can’t do our jobs. Yes this guy is a jerk and lied when his supervisor showed up but there are jerks in every field and liars as well. My point was not to the guy and his mistake but to the following post saying that some grandma will get shot for brownies. I know this was said to be funny but the only stories that make the news are the fuck ups. You don’t hear about the hundreds of times cops go above and beyond to help someone.
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This response is all kinds of wrong. If a doctor KILLS a patient through negligence, you can bet your ass his license is on the line. You seem to be grazing right over the fact that the cops in question ARE FUCKING UP and then displacing the blame to everything from the people around them to the stress of the situation.

A veteran was just killed for not opening his door to cops checking on his life alert. How is the grandmother example so far fetched? There was a case last year of a grandmother getting shot in her own home when UNDERCOVER cops kicked in her door and she shot back at them. They had the wrong house.[/quote]

X
Yes if negligence is proven which you know is very difficult. In just about every response I have acknowledged the cop made a mistake and lied about it after. I did read the post about the veteran but I have never heard of “undercover cops” responding to a life alert I think they were in uniform but I may be wrong I was not there. I am not sure if you are aware about the vet that killed one cop and wounded 3 or 4 others in Utah recently when his house was raided. Yes they were at the right house and yes he was dealing drugs and yes he was shot but not killed. They other cops did not take out their anger on him they just did their job.

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[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
As most cops will say “people are only happy to see them when there shit is in danger”. They forget they are people too and subject to making mistakes. The bar for a cop is much higher than most. They have to make decisions in a fraction of the time you get to sit back and Monday morning quarterback them.

Yes it was not a pit bull but none the less capable of inflicting damage. Did the dispatcher sent the unit to the wrong address? We don’t know. But to say we are all in danger by these fucked up cops is going a bit overboard. Please understand I am not saying this is not a sad situation but it does not justify a the blanket staements being made.[/quote]

But there are blanket statements that can be made from these occurrences. Cops are routinely held to a lower standard than ordinary people. You can rest assured that if I’d walked onto this guy’s property without reason, pulled a gun on him, and shot his dog, I’d be in jail. The cop at worst could lose his job, but probably will get a slap on the wrist. I can make the blanket statement that the institution of police, and the way it is implemented in society, is fucked up.[/quote]
DD if I remember correctly you are a firefighter. So I assume you have worked closely with law enforcement who have had to secure scene prior to your being able to go in and do your job.
To say that we are held to a lower standard is absurd. [/quote]

The penalties for cops are much lower than for ordinary people. Police murder and maim all the time without consequence.

Same can be said for positions like the president, who can do things like get a BJ while on the job and not get fired.

And I’ve mentioned it before, but many of the cops I deal with (not the local ones), even in my duties as a firefighter, are egotistical power-tripping assholes.

Many EMTs and paramedics are that way too, but they don’t have the authority the cops do.

We fairly regularly file complaints with the cops and hospitals.

Cops are a necessary position, it’s a very tough job, and there are many good men and women who nobly accomplish it. BUT it’s entirely voluntary. Penalties for a cop, who is given a huge amount of authority, should be much harsher when they do things like kill an innocent person or dog when compared to an ordinary person. Instead, they are substantially decreased.

The huge authority and decreased penalties are a breading ground for negligence that destroys the lives of innocent people.

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The point is, cops need MORE eyes watching them, not less. They have too much power and control too much as far as the justice system.

Yes, it is very clear now that my life is risk from the police. It may be a “low risk”, but there are CLEARLY enough screwed up cops out there for me to be concerned.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]roscoedog2012 wrote:
As most cops will say “people are only happy to see them when there shit is in danger”. They forget they are people too and subject to making mistakes. The bar for a cop is much higher than most. They have to make decisions in a fraction of the time you get to sit back and Monday morning quarterback them.

Yes it was not a pit bull but none the less capable of inflicting damage. Did the dispatcher sent the unit to the wrong address? We don’t know. But to say we are all in danger by these fucked up cops is going a bit overboard. Please understand I am not saying this is not a sad situation but it does not justify a the blanket staements being made.[/quote]

But there are blanket statements that can be made from these occurrences. Cops are routinely held to a lower standard than ordinary people. You can rest assured that if I’d walked onto this guy’s property without reason, pulled a gun on him, and shot his dog, I’d be in jail. The cop at worst could lose his job, but probably will get a slap on the wrist. I can make the blanket statement that the institution of police, and the way it is implemented in society, is fucked up.[/quote]
DD if I remember correctly you are a firefighter. So I assume you have worked closely with law enforcement who have had to secure scene prior to your being able to go in and do your job.
To say that we are held to a lower standard is absurd. [/quote]

Who else can tamper with evidence without going for jail for it?

Who else can kill people, offer the flimsiest excuses and get away with it?

Who else can storm into a house unannounced fuck everything up and arrest people who resist though the word “police” was never uttered and jail anyone who resists?

Who else can get caught lying to a prosecutor or judge without going to jail?

Looks like a lower standard to me. [/quote]

You make this look like an everyday thing. Cops tampering with evidence, killing people. If you lie in court you are never allowed to testify again it is the law. Please take a moment to read up on the number of cops who die in the line of duty and remember they have families who they say goodby to everyday for possibly the last time. I now someone will response with soldiers and please remember them too.