[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Just wanted to say that I responded to a call in a home yesterday with a dog. It barked at me, I didn’t shoot it, and managed to make friends with it and pet it’s head. AND we got to the person in trouble just fine.[/quote]
We will meet again… punk!
Pic of Cisco, right before the officer in question had to protect his life…
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Just wanted to say that I responded to a call in a home yesterday with a dog. It barked at me, I didn’t shoot it, and managed to make friends with it and pet it’s head. AND we got to the person in trouble just fine.[/quote]
Was the person in the home potentially a violent criminal who may have shot you, especially while you were admittedly being distracted by the dog?
Nope.
Your situation was not the situation he reasonably believed he was in. Poor strawman.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
So according to the first page of google (most dangerous jobs in the us), my job is more dangerous than that of a police officer. I deal with voltage that can kill me EVERY DAY. I live and work in a maniacal maze of pipes (in various states of temperature and corrosion) containing explosive petrochemicals under high pressure, suspended on a rusty platform above a large body of water populated by carnivorous fish. I fly to work every day in a helicopter to multiple locations sometimes in 50+ mile an hour winds. So when people get sand in their vaginas saying “but the policemen are in SOOOO much danger, they HAAAAVE to protect themselves” <<<said in my high pitch, winy little girl voice>>> I don’t fucking buy it. Yeah my job is dangerous, but at least I get paid well. They CHOSE a low paying career with a high degree of risk. Why on earth would someone want to do that? I mean, logically it doesn’t make sense, but the answer is simple: POWER. To be able to carry a gun. To hold someone’s life in their hands. But with POWER, comes RESPONSIBILITY, and that’s whats missing here. There’s NO responsibility for police officers.
If I make a mistake, not only can I kill people, but I can destroy millions of dollars in equipment and cause a company to lose millions of dollars in down time. If I fuck up there are consequences TO ME. Now I’m not talking about blowing shit up, I’m talking about DROPPING A PIECE OF TRASH overboard accidentally. Or if a 40mph wind blows my hard hat off my head into the water. For that I can be fined and imprisoned. If I blow something up? SHIIIIIIT! I get sued, piss tested and investigated and if after the investigation it is found that I didn’t dot all my i’s and cross all of my t’s, I get fined and imprisoned. As a foreman, if one of my men is hurt on my job EVEN IF I’M NOT THERE, I am held accountable and investigated. Same thing, I could be fined, sued and imprisoned if I’m found negligent. I am held to a standard and if I do not meet that standard there are consequences to both me and my career. I am held accountable for my actions and RESULTS - not my intentions! Trust me, no one INTENTIONALLY blows up equipment and hurts people. But when it happens there are consequences.
Where is that kind of accountability for the police? Where are the checks and balances that can PREVENT corruption? What stops a cop from pulling a person over on the side of the road, shining a flashlight in their face so their badge number is illegible and beating that citizen’s ass? But that doesn’t happen, right? BULLSHIT, it’s happened to me FOUR times in the last twelve years in Price George’s County, MD! What is done when it’s “common knowledge” that a particular precinct is corrupt and there are complaints of misconduct and brutality and unwarranted shootings to back it up?
That’s just a link to “police brutality prince george’s county md”. It’s common knowledge to anyone from that area that PG county is NOT the place where you want to get pulled over or arrested for ANYTHING. But what’s DONE about it? Countless Op Ed pieces in our newspapers. The occasional firing or suspension of an officer. But it doesn’t address the SYSTEMIC issue!
And that’s just ONE little county in ONE little state. There are HUNDREDS of problem areas where citizens are REPEATEDLY and NOTORIOUSLY abused, yet are powerless to change things. The cop up there made the comment that, “I feel sorry for the dog and the owner but this thread has made this a representation of the state of our country and law enforcement. That’s what I am calling BS on.” Well guess what? It’s not JUST about the dog! It’s a slap in the face reminder that YET AGAIN, the police fuck someone’s world up, LIE ABOUT IT, and have no consequence. AGAIN. It happens AGAIN AND AGAIN, but nothing changes. Officers with HORRIBLE track records of complaints are still walking around, with their badge and their gun, hiding behind that blue wall.
Not only are they hiding behind the blue wall when they are charged with <<<insert what you want: brutality, lying, abusing their power, whatever>>>, but THEY’VE MADE IT ILLEGAL TO FILM THEM BREAKING THE LAW! That’s what we have a problem with! We know there are good cops out there. My cousin is a cop. Some of my friends and acquaintances are cops. I KNOW cops. Some of them have TOLD me how they’ve violated people’s rights when conducting arrests. One of them keeps pictures on his cell phone of some of the people who he’s brutalized! He’s shown me. He’s NEVER been brought before an inquiry board for his conduct because, according to his report, they resisted arrest. He brags about this openly at partys.
It isn’t about the dog. It’s about the system that makes it OK for a cop to shoot someone for driving while black, or for reaching for their wallet, or for the operator sending them to the wrong address, or any of THOUSANDS of instances where people are brutalized, maimed, falsely imprisoned, paralyzed, shot or killed with NO CONSEQUENCES.[/quote]
With all due respect, while rig work is certainly dangerous, requires a hairy set of nuts and unfortunately lends itself to deadly accidents, you work in a mechanically controlled environment with back up safety equipment, protocol and procedures. Unless you contract to BP, the only real room for error ending in tragedy is human error on the part of operators and inspectors who absolutely should be held accountable if negligence is discovered. The continuity of machinery and benchmark indicators of maintenance generally remain static.
Police are involved in situations made volatile by the unpredictability of human nature, often fanned by flames of fear, anger, guilt, drug abuse et cetera. When quantifying the dangers of job A vs. job B, it’s only fair to qualify the ramifications of each danger as well. Scaling would indeed require imaginative subjectivity but you can’t honestly say police aren’t faced with highly dangerous and, even worse, unpredictable scenarios on a regular basis that not only put them but also innocent people on the line; innocent people they risk their own lives to protect.
A system engineered by very brilliant minds and maintained to spec is another ballgame altogether.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Just wanted to say that I responded to a call in a home yesterday with a dog. It barked at me, I didn’t shoot it, and managed to make friends with it and pet it’s head. AND we got to the person in trouble just fine.[/quote]
Was the person in the home potentially a violent criminal who may have shot you, especially while you were admittedly being distracted by the dog?
Nope.
Your situation was not the situation he reasonably believed he was in. Poor strawman.[/quote]
The have shot the dogs of people who they believed to grow weed, not violent criminals.
Poor strawman.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Just wanted to say that I responded to a call in a home yesterday with a dog. It barked at me, I didn’t shoot it, and managed to make friends with it and pet it’s head. AND we got to the person in trouble just fine.[/quote]
Was the person in the home potentially a violent criminal who may have shot you, especially while you were admittedly being distracted by the dog?
[/quote]
Yes, but thankfully, it turns out it wasn’t, in my case, or the one in question.
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And while in this case it was a nice house with a very low probability of that happening, last week I was in what at least was a crack house with lots of drinking going on where that is reasonably possible.
Eh too bad it wasn’t a trained dog and took the cop out. Would have been a much more interesting case. They would have gone after the guy with a vengeance but I’d say with the facts as they were the guy should be able to have a dog take the cop with no penalty.
I think motivated large dog takes the cop 60 percent of the time. Motivated trained to take weapons dog 100 percent.
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Just wanted to say that I responded to a call in a home yesterday with a dog. It barked at me, I didn’t shoot it, and managed to make friends with it and pet it’s head. AND we got to the person in trouble just fine.[/quote]
Was the person in the home potentially a violent criminal who may have shot you, especially while you were admittedly being distracted by the dog?
Nope.
Your situation was not the situation he reasonably believed he was in. Poor strawman.[/quote]
The have shot the dogs of people who they believed to grow weed, not violent criminals.
Poor strawman. [/quote]
Irrelevant to the reasoning.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Just wanted to say that I responded to a call in a home yesterday with a dog. It barked at me, I didn’t shoot it, and managed to make friends with it and pet it’s head. AND we got to the person in trouble just fine.[/quote]
Was the person in the home potentially a violent criminal who may have shot you, especially while you were admittedly being distracted by the dog?
[/quote]
Yes, but thankfully, it turns out it wasn’t, in my case, or the one in question.
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And while in this case it was a nice house with a very low probability of that happening, last week I was in what at least was a crack house with lots of drinking going on where that is reasonably possible.[/quote]
When you base your arguments on intentionally deciding not to infer obvious probabilities, it is evident you still do not have much to say.
All you added was that yes, a dog is a distraction. Given the common sense dangers police face and what this officer reasonably believed he was up against, a dangerous distraction. To which I say I told you so.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Just wanted to say that I responded to a call in a home yesterday with a dog. It barked at me, I didn’t shoot it, and managed to make friends with it and pet it’s head. AND we got to the person in trouble just fine.[/quote]
Was the person in the home potentially a violent criminal who may have shot you, especially while you were admittedly being distracted by the dog?
[/quote]
Yes, but thankfully, it turns out it wasn’t, in my case, or the one in question.
edit:
And while in this case it was a nice house with a very low probability of that happening, last week I was in what at least was a crack house with lots of drinking going on where that is reasonably possible.[/quote]
When you base your arguments on intentionally deciding not to infer obvious probabilities, it is evident you still do not have much to say.
All you added was that yes, a dog is a distraction. Given the common sense dangers police face and what this officer reasonably believed he was up against, a dangerous distraction. To which I say I told you so.[/quote]
Okay, I have no real idea what it’s like to be an officer though I respond to 911 shooting, domestic disturbance, est calls and have to deal with upset animals like the one in question. Sorry I spoke out of turn. I will bow to your superior knowledge of these things.
By the way, what do you do?
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Just wanted to say that I responded to a call in a home yesterday with a dog. It barked at me, I didn’t shoot it, and managed to make friends with it and pet it’s head. AND we got to the person in trouble just fine.[/quote]
Was the person in the home potentially a violent criminal who may have shot you, especially while you were admittedly being distracted by the dog?
[/quote]
Yes, but thankfully, it turns out it wasn’t, in my case, or the one in question.
edit:
And while in this case it was a nice house with a very low probability of that happening, last week I was in what at least was a crack house with lots of drinking going on where that is reasonably possible.[/quote]
When you base your arguments on intentionally deciding not to infer obvious probabilities, it is evident you still do not have much to say.
All you added was that yes, a dog is a distraction. Given the common sense dangers police face and what this officer reasonably believed he was up against, a dangerous distraction. To which I say I told you so.[/quote]
Okay, I have no real idea what it’s like to be an officer though I respond to 911 shooting, domestic disturbance, est calls and have to deal with upset animals like the one in question. Sorry I spoke out of turn. I will bow to your superior knowledge of these things.
By the way, what do you do?[/quote]
More superflous bullshit from you.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Just wanted to say that I responded to a call in a home yesterday with a dog. It barked at me, I didn’t shoot it, and managed to make friends with it and pet it’s head. AND we got to the person in trouble just fine.[/quote]
Was the person in the home potentially a violent criminal who may have shot you, especially while you were admittedly being distracted by the dog?
[/quote]
Yes, but thankfully, it turns out it wasn’t, in my case, or the one in question.
edit:
And while in this case it was a nice house with a very low probability of that happening, last week I was in what at least was a crack house with lots of drinking going on where that is reasonably possible.[/quote]
When you base your arguments on intentionally deciding not to infer obvious probabilities, it is evident you still do not have much to say.
All you added was that yes, a dog is a distraction. Given the common sense dangers police face and what this officer reasonably believed he was up against, a dangerous distraction. To which I say I told you so.[/quote]
Okay, I have no real idea what it’s like to be an officer though I respond to 911 shooting, domestic disturbance, est calls and have to deal with upset animals like the one in question. Sorry I spoke out of turn. I will bow to your superior knowledge of these things.
By the way, what do you do?[/quote]
More superflous bullshit from you.[/quote]
Considering you have literally called me a retard in this thread for having no idea what a cops job is like, I naturally assumed you had some experience in situations like these. You don’t? Then I would proposition that I have a much better idea than you. So, in light of this, feel free to stop lecturing me on what it’s like to be a cop as you apparently have no fucking idea what you are talking about.
[quote]Mac85 wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
a bunch of really awesome points, largely ignored.[/quote]
Yes, those are all serious problems. I don’t think anyone was defending the cop for his bad track record or lying after the fact. The argument I was making was that he had a few seconds to make a decision. Factor in the totality of circumstances, and there could have been a serious officer and public safety issue. In the end, that wasn’t the case. He shouldn’t have lied about it, and if he’s a turd then get rid of him.
If I remember correctly, you are a convicted criminal for armed robbery, yes? Do you find it odd that you have friends who are “cops”? I’m sure you’re a decent guy, but you can see the conflict of interest. Good cops probably wouldn’t be real close with you given your past. How did you react to your friends after they told and showed you about the brutality they inflict? Did you report them to their professional standards bureau? If not, you are just as bad as the cops who hide behind the “blue wall”.
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Why would it be “odd” that I’m friends with cops? My friend Shawn is a DC cop - he and I used to steal cars together when we were teenagers. Shit he’s the one that taught me how to use a dent puller. My cousin is my cousin… should he “disown” me as family? He’s 13 years younger than me, I taught him how to fight and how to pick up chicks, etc… Some of my other cop friends I’ve known since HS.
As for the “acquaintances” (and the one who was bragging is an acquaintance - the husband of a close friend of my ex-wife) most of them don’t know I’m a felon. I don’t go around with a sign on my forehead that says “felon”. I did my time, paid my fines and became a upstanding, positive member of my community. Those that do know, have treated me civilly and have even engaged me in friendly conversation.
As for how I reacted when he showed me the pictures, I gave him a high five and and said, “Damn, bro! You fucked that guy UP! ha ha ha!”. Do you think I should have confronted an obviously psychotic individual with a track record of violating people’s rights and in a position of power over me (and any other citizen unfortunate enough to cross him) to cause all kinds of hardship and trouble? Someone who knows my address and personal information about my family? Are you fucking STUPID?
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
A bunch of really awesome points, largely ignored.
[/quote]
With all due respect, while rig work is certainly dangerous, requires a hairy set of nuts and unfortunately lends itself to deadly accidents, you work in a mechanically controlled environment with back up safety equipment, protocol and procedures. Unless you contract to BP, the only real room for error ending in tragedy is human error on the part of operators and inspectors who absolutely should be held accountable if negligence is discovered. The continuity of machinery and benchmark indicators of maintenance generally remain static.
Police are involved in situations made volatile by the unpredictability of human nature, often fanned by flames of fear, anger, guilt, drug abuse et cetera. When quantifying the dangers of job A vs. job B, it’s only fair to qualify the ramifications of each danger as well. Scaling would indeed require imaginative subjectivity but you can’t honestly say police aren’t faced with highly dangerous and, even worse, unpredictable scenarios on a regular basis that not only put them but also innocent people on the line; innocent people they risk their own lives to protect.
A system engineered by very brilliant minds and maintained to spec is another ballgame altogether.[/quote]
I didn’t make the ranking, that’s why I posted those links (more than one). According to the smarter people than you or I MY career is more dangerous than cops. They are BOTH dangerous jobs. And FYI, I’m not on nice new drilling rigs, I’m on 50 year old production platforms with years of “southern engineering” and multiple code violations. I’ve been tasked to bring it up to code without interrupting production. That means doing it hot in class 1, div 1 locations. Sometimes in 40 mph wind. If you think that’s easy, simple, controlled or well engineered, you are mistaken, my friend. But you’re missing my point.
My job is dangerous and has potential deadly consequences to priceless things like human life and the environment. If I DROP A PIECE OF TRASH, I can go to jail. That’s how strict the enforcement is. No one WANT’S to drop trash. No one WANT’S to cause an oil spill. Just like most cops don’t WANT to shoot a guy reaching for his wallet.
But when it happens, when the the unfortunate RESULT is a loss of life (just like when the unfortunate RESULT has damaged the environment REGARDLESS OF INTENTION) THEY have NO consequence.
I personally believe that human life is more valuable than the environment. There are FAR MORE people “accidentally killed” by cops than there are oil spills, but far more people lose their jobs for oil spill than COPS lose their jobs for killing innocent people.
I think there should be a higher standard for cops. They wear body armor and carry weapons. I don’t think they should be allowed to draw down on people because of an UNKNOWN danger. I think they should be allowed to bring deadly force into play ONLY when deadly force is brought against them - kinda like the rules of engagement our military boys have to abide by in KNOWN COMBAT ZONES. A lot less innocent people would die.
Yes, more cops would probable die as well, and that’s a risk they will KNOWINGLY accept when they decide to become police officers. But the lives of the citizens they SERVE and are charged to PROTECT is worth it.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Just wanted to say that I responded to a call in a home yesterday with a dog. It barked at me, I didn’t shoot it, and managed to make friends with it and pet it’s head. AND we got to the person in trouble just fine.[/quote]
Was the person in the home potentially a violent criminal who may have shot you, especially while you were admittedly being distracted by the dog?
[/quote]
Yes, but thankfully, it turns out it wasn’t, in my case, or the one in question.
edit:
And while in this case it was a nice house with a very low probability of that happening, last week I was in what at least was a crack house with lots of drinking going on where that is reasonably possible.[/quote]
When you base your arguments on intentionally deciding not to infer obvious probabilities, it is evident you still do not have much to say.
All you added was that yes, a dog is a distraction. Given the common sense dangers police face and what this officer reasonably believed he was up against, a dangerous distraction. To which I say I told you so.[/quote]
Okay, I have no real idea what it’s like to be an officer though I respond to 911 shooting, domestic disturbance, est calls and have to deal with upset animals like the one in question. Sorry I spoke out of turn. I will bow to your superior knowledge of these things.
By the way, what do you do?[/quote]
More superflous bullshit from you.[/quote]
Considering you have literally called me a retard in this thread for having no idea what a cops job is like, I naturally assumed you had some experience in situations like these. You don’t? Then I would proposition that I have a much better idea than you. So, in light of this, feel free to stop lecturing me on what it’s like to be a cop as you apparently have no fucking idea what you are talking about.[/quote]
So you are a cop then?
No?
Have you read your post above?
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
A bunch of really awesome points, largely ignored.
[/quote]
With all due respect, while rig work is certainly dangerous, requires a hairy set of nuts and unfortunately lends itself to deadly accidents, you work in a mechanically controlled environment with back up safety equipment, protocol and procedures. Unless you contract to BP, the only real room for error ending in tragedy is human error on the part of operators and inspectors who absolutely should be held accountable if negligence is discovered. The continuity of machinery and benchmark indicators of maintenance generally remain static.
Police are involved in situations made volatile by the unpredictability of human nature, often fanned by flames of fear, anger, guilt, drug abuse et cetera. When quantifying the dangers of job A vs. job B, it’s only fair to qualify the ramifications of each danger as well. Scaling would indeed require imaginative subjectivity but you can’t honestly say police aren’t faced with highly dangerous and, even worse, unpredictable scenarios on a regular basis that not only put them but also innocent people on the line; innocent people they risk their own lives to protect.
A system engineered by very brilliant minds and maintained to spec is another ballgame altogether.[/quote]
I didn’t make the ranking, that’s why I posted those links (more than one). According to the smarter people than you or I MY career is more dangerous than cops. They are BOTH dangerous jobs. And FYI, I’m not on nice new drilling rigs, I’m on 50 year old production platforms with years of “southern engineering” and multiple code violations. I’ve been tasked to bring it up to code without interrupting production. That means doing it hot in class 1, div 1 locations. Sometimes in 40 mph wind. If you think that’s easy, simple, controlled or well engineered, you are mistaken, my friend. But you’re missing my point.
My job is dangerous and has potential deadly consequences to priceless things like human life and the environment. If I DROP A PIECE OF TRASH, I can go to jail. That’s how strict the enforcement is. No one WANT’S to drop trash. No one WANT’S to cause an oil spill. Just like most cops don’t WANT to shoot a guy reaching for his wallet.
But when it happens, when the the unfortunate RESULT is a loss of life (just like when the unfortunate RESULT has damaged the environment REGARDLESS OF INTENTION) THEY have NO consequence.
I personally believe that human life is more valuable than the environment. There are FAR MORE people “accidentally killed” by cops than there are oil spills, but far more people lose their jobs for oil spill than COPS lose their jobs for killing innocent people.
I think there should be a higher standard for cops. They wear body armor and carry weapons. I don’t think they should be allowed to draw down on people because of an UNKNOWN danger. I think they should be allowed to bring deadly force into play ONLY when deadly force is brought against them - kinda like the rules of engagement our military boys have to abide by in KNOWN COMBAT ZONES. A lot less innocent people would die.
Yes, more cops would probable die as well, and that’s a risk they will KNOWINGLY accept when they decide to become police officers. But the lives of the citizens they SERVE and are charged to PROTECT is worth it.[/quote]
Southern Engineering is certainly a friendly term, and probably a better one. I like that. Just keep in mind the big boys are usually hiring… you’d more than likely be a shoe in on your own now though.
Regardless of who made the point, I’m addressing your addition to the conversation. A “smart” pollster will allow room for subjective gray area.
The point I’m making is that regardless of work conditions on a rig which are tough, sweaty and take some hairy nuts, you are working with a grain of continuity (as in wood grain; a flow and not a tiny spec). Known dangers with known outcomes. While I’m sure you may not always know exactly where a charge is grounded or a screw is located until you have eyes on it, you have the luxury of knowing what you are looking for time and again.
A cop doesn’t. The greater element of surprise begets a different set of rules of engagement. Speaking of rules of engagement, ask a soldier what he thinks about the shoot first policy. A real one who has actually seen combat. There is no right answer really, but the people charged with serving and protecting ought to have enough autonomy to do so. The error shouldn’t result in failed missions, aborted positions and compromised goals.
A cop does volunteer for the job, that doesn’t mean he volunteers for suicide and shouldn’t be expected to escape death by luck and then start protecting himself.
Greenpeace bullshit lobbyists certainly shouldn’t be setting precedents for police operations vicariously through an indirectly, conversationally attached subjective danger ranking. It’s a shame what they’ve done to the oil industry frankly.
My understanding from talking to people who work offshore oil drilling is that it’s not a matter of when they lose a finger or worse, but when depending on how long they stay in the business. These people however that I at least spoke seem to enjoy risky activities. They would be gone for a while, then when they come back they party hardcore for a couple weeks then go back.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Just wanted to say that I responded to a call in a home yesterday with a dog. It barked at me, I didn’t shoot it, and managed to make friends with it and pet it’s head. AND we got to the person in trouble just fine.[/quote]
Was the person in the home potentially a violent criminal who may have shot you, especially while you were admittedly being distracted by the dog?
[/quote]
Yes, but thankfully, it turns out it wasn’t, in my case, or the one in question.
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And while in this case it was a nice house with a very low probability of that happening, last week I was in what at least was a crack house with lots of drinking going on where that is reasonably possible.[/quote]
When you base your arguments on intentionally deciding not to infer obvious probabilities, it is evident you still do not have much to say.
All you added was that yes, a dog is a distraction. Given the common sense dangers police face and what this officer reasonably believed he was up against, a dangerous distraction. To which I say I told you so.[/quote]
Okay, I have no real idea what it’s like to be an officer though I respond to 911 shooting, domestic disturbance, est calls and have to deal with upset animals like the one in question. Sorry I spoke out of turn. I will bow to your superior knowledge of these things.
By the way, what do you do?[/quote]
More superflous bullshit from you.[/quote]
Considering you have literally called me a retard in this thread for having no idea what a cops job is like, I naturally assumed you had some experience in situations like these. You don’t? Then I would proposition that I have a much better idea than you. So, in light of this, feel free to stop lecturing me on what it’s like to be a cop as you apparently have no fucking idea what you are talking about.[/quote]
So you are a cop then?
No?
Have you read your post above?[/quote]
I have never claimed to know what it is to be a cop.
You claimed first, that I didn’t know, second, that you knew better than I did, and third that knowing what it was to be a cop was required for proper evaluation of the situation.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Just wanted to say that I responded to a call in a home yesterday with a dog. It barked at me, I didn’t shoot it, and managed to make friends with it and pet it’s head. AND we got to the person in trouble just fine.[/quote]
Was the person in the home potentially a violent criminal who may have shot you, especially while you were admittedly being distracted by the dog?
[/quote]
Yes, but thankfully, it turns out it wasn’t, in my case, or the one in question.
edit:
And while in this case it was a nice house with a very low probability of that happening, last week I was in what at least was a crack house with lots of drinking going on where that is reasonably possible.[/quote]
When you base your arguments on intentionally deciding not to infer obvious probabilities, it is evident you still do not have much to say.
All you added was that yes, a dog is a distraction. Given the common sense dangers police face and what this officer reasonably believed he was up against, a dangerous distraction. To which I say I told you so.[/quote]
Okay, I have no real idea what it’s like to be an officer though I respond to 911 shooting, domestic disturbance, est calls and have to deal with upset animals like the one in question. Sorry I spoke out of turn. I will bow to your superior knowledge of these things.
By the way, what do you do?[/quote]
More superflous bullshit from you.[/quote]
Considering you have literally called me a retard in this thread for having no idea what a cops job is like, I naturally assumed you had some experience in situations like these. You don’t? Then I would proposition that I have a much better idea than you. So, in light of this, feel free to stop lecturing me on what it’s like to be a cop as you apparently have no fucking idea what you are talking about.[/quote]
So you are a cop then?
No?
Have you read your post above?[/quote]
I have never claimed to know what it is to be a cop.
You claimed first, that I didn’t know, second, that you knew better than I did, and third that knowing what it was to be a cop was required for proper evaluation of the situation.[/quote]You are the one making unqualified accusations…
I appreciate you letting me know that you value general evaluations though.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
You are the one making unqualified accusations…
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Not sure if srs?