[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
And now, DD, you are reduced to spin. Until you can honestly acknowledge the situation the officer reasonably believed himself to be in, there is no conversation. /thread.[/quote]
Okay Mr. “what the officer did was a mistake but he didn’t do anything wrong”.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
And now, DD, you are reduced to spin. Until you can honestly acknowledge the situation the officer reasonably believed himself to be in, there is no conversation. /thread.[/quote]
Okay Mr. “what the officer did was a mistake but he didn’t do anything wrong”.[/quote]
And again, for the last time, you’d have to follow the chain of responsibility to find where ownership of the mistake lies.
Throwing a match on the carpet instead of in a fireplace and then blaming the match for burning the house down doesn’t assign responsibility accurately and neither are you.
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
[quote]HoustonGuy wrote:
And now, DD, you are reduced to spin. Until you can honestly acknowledge the situation the officer reasonably believed himself to be in, there is no conversation. /thread.[/quote]
Okay Mr. “what the officer did was a mistake but he didn’t do anything wrong”.[/quote]
And again, for the last time, you’d have to follow the chain of responsibility to find where ownership of the mistake lies.
Throwing a match on the carpet instead of in a fireplace and then blaming the match for burning the house down doesn’t assign responsibility accurately and neither are you.[/quote]
If sending an officer to a call for a domestic disturbance is equivalent to throwing a match on the carpet, I’m going to say, that’s the problem right there.
You cannot assign responsibility to some lady on a phone that told them something bad was happening.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The point is, cops need MORE eyes watching them, not less. They have too much power and control too much as far as the justice system.
Yes, it is very clear now that my life is risk from the police. It may be a “low risk”, but there are CLEARLY enough screwed up cops out there for me to be concerned.[/quote]
Let’s not forget that after that supreme court ruling, a cop can stick a finger or two up anyone’s butt for any reason.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The point is, cops need MORE eyes watching them, not less. They have too much power and control too much as far as the justice system.
Yes, it is very clear now that my life is risk from the police. It may be a “low risk”, but there are CLEARLY enough screwed up cops out there for me to be concerned.[/quote]
Let’s not forget that after that supreme court ruling, a cop can stick a finger or two up anyone’s butt for any reason.[/quote]
Does that cost more? Is it per finger?
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
In a free and peaceful society where so many have been taught that all violence is wrong, citizens are often confused and dismayed when officers use force, even when the force is perfectly lawful and justified. This book explains how police are taught to make decisions on the use of force. Readers will understand how to behave when confronted by a police officer and how the police officer interprets the situation
Tom do they make this in audio so I can play for my dog? J/k[/quote]
Not sure, haha! It’s a great book. He used another analogy . Drop a piece of buttered toast and chose what to do in the time it lands. Choices are buttered side up or down. In the same time, 2 seconds a lot can happen.
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
In a free and peaceful society where so many have been taught that all violence is wrong, citizens are often confused and dismayed when officers use force, even when the force is perfectly lawful and justified. This book explains how police are taught to make decisions on the use of force. Readers will understand how to behave when confronted by a police officer and how the police officer interprets the situation
Tom do they make this in audio so I can play for my dog? J/k[/quote]
Not sure, haha! It’s a great book. He used another analogy . Drop a piece of buttered toast and chose what to do in the time it lands. Choices are buttered side up or down. In the same time, 2 seconds a lot can happen.
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
It all comes down to panem et circenses (bread and circus)
Keep them well fed and entertained and your average human population will just hand over ALL power and responsibility to the state.
It’s all cyclical - EVERY empire rises and falls. Ours is simply in decline at the moment and we (as a people) lack the political will and testicular fortitude to change it.
Welcome to AmeriKa…
It ain’t gonna get any better any time soon. Wait until they start privatizing our police force like they’ve done in some countries with our military - then there REALLY won’t be any accountability… It’s already started with the prisons. Law enforcement is the next logical step.
The Constitution might as well be toilet paper at this point in our country’s state of evolution.[/quote]
Everything will be reset on December 21 anyway when the polar shift happens.
[quote]Iron Dwarf wrote:
So sad.
Once again we have yet another example of police fuck-ups.
To Protect and to Serve, my ass![/quote]
Completely agree. Fuck the Police!
The cop overreacted just like the police in numerous other situations around the country have been doing on a regular basis lately. Cops need to SLOW THE FUCK DOWN and THINK.
For those of you who are cops or who are sympathetic to them and naive enough to believe that being a police officer is the most dangerous job in the world, wake up! Rather than taking my word for it, I’d prefer you do a little research on people who have careers that are significantly more dangerous. Internet search engines are pretty easy to use. I think you can figure out how to use one.
This book http://www.amazon.com/Brotherhood-Warriors-Behind-Commando-Counterterrorism/dp/0061236152 provides a lot of information on how people who have about a 1,000 times more experience than American cops at handling dangerous situations go about their business. The author, Aaron Cohen, explains how slowly and patiently the Israeli Counter Terrorism Units enter and clear buildings that KNOWN TERRORISTS are occupying. That’s right: they are dealing with people who ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATHS OF SEVERAL Israeli citizens, they are not responding to a POSSIBLE domestic violence based on an uninformed, nervous 911 caller’s bullshit description of events.
Anyway, the book is a great read and I encourage everyone to read it. I found it particularly fascinating that Cohen said Israeli police always patrol with their lights on, so it is easier for people to find help when they feel threatened. He also said that they only use sirens in an event where there are a lot of casualties, so people know when it is serious. In America, it seems we over react to everything. We hear sirens every fucking day for the stupidest shit. I hear sirens after 10 PM at least three days a week in Knoxville, Tennessee and there might be one vehicle for every 2,000 feet of road within 3 miles of my home at that time of night. WITFH are sirens on for if there’s hardly any traffic on the damn road?
[quote]andy1977 wrote:
The cop overreacted just like the police in numerous other situations around the country have been doing on a regular basis lately. Cops need to SLOW THE FUCK DOWN and THINK.
For those of you who are cops or who are sympathetic to them and naive enough to believe that being a police officer is the most dangerous job in the world, wake up! Rather than taking my word for it, I’d prefer you do a little research on people who have careers that are significantly more dangerous. Internet search engines are pretty easy to use. I think you can figure out how to use one.
This book http://www.amazon.com/Brotherhood-Warriors-Behind-Commando-Counterterrorism/dp/0061236152 provides a lot of information on how people who have about a 1,000 times more experience than American cops at handling dangerous situations go about their business. The author, Aaron Cohen, explains how slowly and patiently the Israeli Counter Terrorism Units enter and clear buildings that KNOWN TERRORISTS are occupying. That’s right: they are dealing with people who ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE DEATHS OF SEVERAL Israeli citizens, they are not responding to a POSSIBLE domestic violence based on an uninformed, nervous 911 caller’s bullshit description of events.
Anyway, the book is a great read and I encourage everyone to read it. I found it particularly fascinating that Cohen said Israeli police always patrol with their lights on, so it is easier for people to find help when they feel threatened. He also said that they only use sirens in an event where there are a lot of casualties, so people know when it is serious. In America, it seems we over react to everything. We hear sirens every fucking day for the stupidest shit. I hear sirens after 10 PM at least three days a week in Knoxville, Tennessee and there might be one vehicle for every 2,000 feet of road within 3 miles of my home at that time of night. WITFH are sirens on for if there’s hardly any traffic on the damn road?[/quote]
A “most dangerous” pissing contest, no doubt subjective anyways, is by and large irrelevant.
Fuck Texas.
This is what can happen when you show up to someone’s house:
Notice how everything seemed relatively calm until all hell broke loose. Imagine having to deal with that AND a violent drunk with a weapon, which is what the officer believed he was responding to.
If the criticism was about lying after the fact, I would tend to agree with most people posting here.
So according to the first page of google (most dangerous jobs in the us), my job is more dangerous than that of a police officer. I deal with voltage that can kill me EVERY DAY. I live and work in a maniacal maze of pipes (in various states of temperature and corrosion) containing explosive petrochemicals under high pressure, suspended on a rusty platform above a large body of water populated by carnivorous fish. I fly to work every day in a helicopter to multiple locations sometimes in 50+ mile an hour winds. So when people get sand in their vaginas saying “but the policemen are in SOOOO much danger, they HAAAAVE to protect themselves” <<<said in my high pitch, winy little girl voice>>> I don’t fucking buy it. Yeah my job is dangerous, but at least I get paid well. They CHOSE a low paying career with a high degree of risk. Why on earth would someone want to do that? I mean, logically it doesn’t make sense, but the answer is simple: POWER. To be able to carry a gun. To hold someone’s life in their hands. But with POWER, comes RESPONSIBILITY, and that’s whats missing here. There’s NO responsibility for police officers.
If I make a mistake, not only can I kill people, but I can destroy millions of dollars in equipment and cause a company to lose millions of dollars in down time. If I fuck up there are consequences TO ME. Now I’m not talking about blowing shit up, I’m talking about DROPPING A PIECE OF TRASH overboard accidentally. Or if a 40mph wind blows my hard hat off my head into the water. For that I can be fined and imprisoned. If I blow something up? SHIIIIIIT! I get sued, piss tested and investigated and if after the investigation it is found that I didn’t dot all my i’s and cross all of my t’s, I get fined and imprisoned. As a foreman, if one of my men is hurt on my job EVEN IF I’M NOT THERE, I am held accountable and investigated. Same thing, I could be fined, sued and imprisoned if I’m found negligent. I am held to a standard and if I do not meet that standard there are consequences to both me and my career. I am held accountable for my actions and RESULTS - not my intentions! Trust me, no one INTENTIONALLY blows up equipment and hurts people. But when it happens there are consequences.
Where is that kind of accountability for the police? Where are the checks and balances that can PREVENT corruption? What stops a cop from pulling a person over on the side of the road, shining a flashlight in their face so their badge number is illegible and beating that citizen’s ass? But that doesn’t happen, right? BULLSHIT, it’s happened to me FOUR times in the last twelve years in Price George’s County, MD! What is done when it’s “common knowledge” that a particular precinct is corrupt and there are complaints of misconduct and brutality and unwarranted shootings to back it up?
That’s just a link to “police brutality prince george’s county md”. It’s common knowledge to anyone from that area that PG county is NOT the place where you want to get pulled over or arrested for ANYTHING. But what’s DONE about it? Countless Op Ed pieces in our newspapers. The occasional firing or suspension of an officer. But it doesn’t address the SYSTEMIC issue!
And that’s just ONE little county in ONE little state. There are HUNDREDS of problem areas where citizens are REPEATEDLY and NOTORIOUSLY abused, yet are powerless to change things. The cop up there made the comment that, “I feel sorry for the dog and the owner but this thread has made this a representation of the state of our country and law enforcement. That’s what I am calling BS on.” Well guess what? It’s not JUST about the dog! It’s a slap in the face reminder that YET AGAIN, the police fuck someone’s world up, LIE ABOUT IT, and have no consequence. AGAIN. It happens AGAIN AND AGAIN, but nothing changes. Officers with HORRIBLE track records of complaints are still walking around, with their badge and their gun, hiding behind that blue wall.
Not only are they hiding behind the blue wall when they are charged with <<<insert what you want: brutality, lying, abusing their power, whatever>>>, but THEY’VE MADE IT ILLEGAL TO FILM THEM BREAKING THE LAW! That’s what we have a problem with! We know there are good cops out there. My cousin is a cop. Some of my friends and acquaintances are cops. I KNOW cops. Some of them have TOLD me how they’ve violated people’s rights when conducting arrests. One of them keeps pictures on his cell phone of some of the people who he’s brutalized! He’s shown me. He’s NEVER been brought before an inquiry board for his conduct because, according to his report, they resisted arrest. He brags about this openly at partys.
It isn’t about the dog. It’s about the system that makes it OK for a cop to shoot someone for driving while black, or for reaching for their wallet, or for the operator sending them to the wrong address, or any of THOUSANDS of instances where people are brutalized, maimed, falsely imprisoned, paralyzed, shot or killed with NO CONSEQUENCES.
Is that illegal to film cops a national thing?
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
So according to the first page of google (most dangerous jobs in the us), my job is more dangerous than that of a police officer. I deal with voltage that can kill me EVERY DAY. I live and work in a maniacal maze of pipes (in various states of temperature and corrosion) containing explosive petrochemicals under high pressure, suspended on a rusty platform above a large body of water populated by carnivorous fish. I fly to work every day in a helicopter to multiple locations sometimes in 50+ mile an hour winds. So when people get sand in their vaginas saying “but the policemen are in SOOOO much danger, they HAAAAVE to protect themselves” <<<said in my high pitch, winy little girl voice>>> I don’t fucking buy it. Yeah my job is dangerous, but at least I get paid well. They CHOSE a low paying career with a high degree of risk. Why on earth would someone want to do that? I mean, logically it doesn’t make sense, but the answer is simple: POWER. To be able to carry a gun. To hold someone’s life in their hands. But with POWER, comes RESPONSIBILITY, and that’s whats missing here. There’s NO responsibility for police officers.
If I make a mistake, not only can I kill people, but I can destroy millions of dollars in equipment and cause a company to lose millions of dollars in down time. If I fuck up there are consequences TO ME. Now I’m not talking about blowing shit up, I’m talking about DROPPING A PIECE OF TRASH overboard accidentally. Or if a 40mph wind blows my hard hat off my head into the water. For that I can be fined and imprisoned. If I blow something up? SHIIIIIIT! I get sued, piss tested and investigated and if after the investigation it is found that I didn’t dot all my i’s and cross all of my t’s, I get fined and imprisoned. As a foreman, if one of my men is hurt on my job EVEN IF I’M NOT THERE, I am held accountable and investigated. Same thing, I could be fined, sued and imprisoned if I’m found negligent. I am held to a standard and if I do not meet that standard there are consequences to both me and my career. I am held accountable for my actions and RESULTS - not my intentions! Trust me, no one INTENTIONALLY blows up equipment and hurts people. But when it happens there are consequences.
Where is that kind of accountability for the police? Where are the checks and balances that can PREVENT corruption? What stops a cop from pulling a person over on the side of the road, shining a flashlight in their face so their badge number is illegible and beating that citizen’s ass? But that doesn’t happen, right? BULLSHIT, it’s happened to me FOUR times in the last twelve years in Price George’s County, MD! What is done when it’s “common knowledge” that a particular precinct is corrupt and there are complaints of misconduct and brutality and unwarranted shootings to back it up?
That’s just a link to “police brutality prince george’s county md”. It’s common knowledge to anyone from that area that PG county is NOT the place where you want to get pulled over or arrested for ANYTHING. But what’s DONE about it? Countless Op Ed pieces in our newspapers. The occasional firing or suspension of an officer. But it doesn’t address the SYSTEMIC issue!
And that’s just ONE little county in ONE little state. There are HUNDREDS of problem areas where citizens are REPEATEDLY and NOTORIOUSLY abused, yet are powerless to change things. The cop up there made the comment that, “I feel sorry for the dog and the owner but this thread has made this a representation of the state of our country and law enforcement. That’s what I am calling BS on.” Well guess what? It’s not JUST about the dog! It’s a slap in the face reminder that YET AGAIN, the police fuck someone’s world up, LIE ABOUT IT, and have no consequence. AGAIN. It happens AGAIN AND AGAIN, but nothing changes. Officers with HORRIBLE track records of complaints are still walking around, with their badge and their gun, hiding behind that blue wall.
Not only are they hiding behind the blue wall when they are charged with <<<insert what you want: brutality, lying, abusing their power, whatever>>>, but THEY’VE MADE IT ILLEGAL TO FILM THEM BREAKING THE LAW! That’s what we have a problem with! We know there are good cops out there. My cousin is a cop. Some of my friends and acquaintances are cops. I KNOW cops. Some of them have TOLD me how they’ve violated people’s rights when conducting arrests. One of them keeps pictures on his cell phone of some of the people who he’s brutalized! He’s shown me. He’s NEVER been brought before an inquiry board for his conduct because, according to his report, they resisted arrest. He brags about this openly at partys.
It isn’t about the dog. It’s about the system that makes it OK for a cop to shoot someone for driving while black, or for reaching for their wallet, or for the operator sending them to the wrong address, or any of THOUSANDS of instances where people are brutalized, maimed, falsely imprisoned, paralyzed, shot or killed with NO CONSEQUENCES.[/quote]
Yes, those are all serious problems. I don’t think anyone was defending the cop for his bad track record or lying after the fact. The argument I was making was that he had a few seconds to make a decision. Factor in the totality of circumstances, and there could have been a serious officer and public safety issue. In the end, that wasn’t the case. He shouldn’t have lied about it, and if he’s a turd then get rid of him.
If I remember correctly, you are a convicted criminal for armed robbery, yes? Do you find it odd that you have friends who are “cops”? I’m sure you’re a decent guy, but you can see the conflict of interest. Good cops probably wouldn’t be real close with you given your past. How did you react to your friends after they told and showed you about the brutality they inflict? Did you report them to their professional standards bureau? If not, you are just as bad as the cops who hide behind the “blue wall”.
Just wanted to say that I responded to a call in a home yesterday with a dog. It barked at me, I didn’t shoot it, and managed to make friends with it and pet it’s head. AND we got to the person in trouble just fine.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Just wanted to say that I responded to a call in a home yesterday with a dog. It barked at me, I didn’t shoot it, and managed to make friends with it and pet it’s head. AND we got to the person in trouble just fine.[/quote]
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Just wanted to say that I responded to a call in a home yesterday with a dog. It barked at me, I didn’t shoot it, and managed to make friends with it and pet it’s head. AND we got to the person in trouble just fine.[/quote]
[quote]orion wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Just wanted to say that I responded to a call in a home yesterday with a dog. It barked at me, I didn’t shoot it, and managed to make friends with it and pet it’s head. AND we got to the person in trouble just fine.[/quote]
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And not to completely brag in my apparent shear awesome animal mind control ability, but it was like a 70 or 80 pound lab, much larger than the dog in question.
The dog was just a little out of sorts with his master having a heart attack and a bunch of strange people with flashing lights showing up. AND STILL fire arms just didn’t seem necessary.