He’s saying that people who claim to be boxers can’t throw punches for shit.
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
He’s saying that people who claim to be boxers can’t throw punches for shit.[/quote]
This. Or just poor striking in general. I’m pretty sure it was this forum I made a thread on about what seems to seperate the MMA elite from the lower tiers is their striking game. Even in the lower tiers of the UFC, majority of them come from wrestling or BJJ backgrounds and have very good BJJ/wrestling but have very poor striking.
What I’m proposing is the opposite of that. Take someone who has sick boxing skills, one of the few boxing elite left say, and get them up to speed in MMA. Won’t happen though, as no MMA event can match the pay days offered in professional boxing yet.
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
[quote]legendaryblaze wrote:
He’s saying that people who claim to be boxers can’t throw punches for shit.[/quote]
This. Or just poor striking in general.
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Totally agree. Unfortunately, I need to go a step further and say that many MMA competitors not only sport poor striking skills, but in addition don’t know much about the ground game. Just what I said in my blog ;). The elite knows their tools, wheter it be striking or grappling. Still, mediocre technique can - to a certain point - be compensated by physical prowess, which, IMHO, is easier to acquire than technical brilliance. That’s why quite a few fighters don’t spend time to learn how to throw a proper punch or technically place an armbar anymore but hit the weights twice instead.
See above, IMHO the average technical skill is rather decreasing, even with grappling.
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What I’m proposing is the opposite of that. Take someone who has sick boxing skills, one of the few boxing elite left say, and get them up to speed in MMA. Won’t happen though, as no MMA event can match the pay days offered in professional boxing yet.[/quote]
Agreed. See Mike Tyson, who was talking about it more than once.
Mariusz Pudzianowski vs. Aleksander Emelianenko planned for April 2010 by M-1 Global???
That would be a little crazy…
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Hmmm looks like Najman skeleton is covered with admantium or some shit. I can’t think about another explanation of why his legs didn’t break when those mega kicks hit them…
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
Simply amazing. Somebody with pudzies size strength and agility to have that much conditioning is incredible display of genetics - even if you count roids. Each fight he’s just going to get more and more dangerous.
People always want to say how some lightweight can win a fight even if somebody else is in better condition. But they never seem to stop and think about the fact that If you can only mention 1 person (Royce Gracie) then your argument is pretty lame. Simply put nobody else is him. Over and over consistent as day, if one person is leaps and bounds stronger bigger and decent skill than the other he wins. And Pudz is a Super genetic freak if anybody ever seen one. Didn’t he break somebodies arm, arm wrestling?[/quote]
You’re thinking of Magnus Samuelsson, he broke Nathan Jones’ arm while arm wrestling at WSM 99 if I recall…
[quote]BAdWolf wrote:
Hmmm looks like Najman skeleton is covered with admantium or some shit. I can’t think about another explanation of why his legs didn’t break when those mega kicks hit them…[/quote]
Maybe because they were not technically sound enough to do such a thing. Not saying that they didn’t hurt,but Najman probably has never been kicked like that before.
[quote]Kevin_Meaux wrote:
Ok the technical skill was awful[/quote]
While I agree with you, I think fundamentally people seem to be giving Pudz too little credit as far as technical ability goes, and here’s why: over in the GAL forum there was the monster “Mariusz MMA” thread in which lots of people predicted him to lose, and after he won lots of people shat all over his technical skills saying he was terrible and that he’d get murdered by a big guy who was a good fighter.
…Well I didn’t see anything near that bad with super Mario’s match. What I saw was a huge-ass man who is used to a) running on adrenaline for events in his chosen sport (WSM) and b) is facing his very first MMA fight in a huge-ass arena.
Put those two points together and they equal adrenaline dump. Adrenaline dump often means = losing all technical ability and just hulking out.
I’ve seen and heard countless people talk about how the most difficult aspect of your first competitive fight is the nerves you get stepping into the ring for the first time. And how that holds true at different levels—ie. even a seasoned fighter stepping into the UFC octagon in a huge arena for the first time ever will get that adrenaline dump and it often hurts his performance immensely and/or leads to gassing.
Yet these same people fail to consider the nerves aspect with regard to Pudz. He may be a celebrity, may be a monster at strongman, used to that spotlight and game shows, but when you step in a ring or cage in the middle of a stadium you ARE going to dump all your adrenaline.
Basically I’m saying that what I saw in his match was a man who just let the adrenaline dump carry him away. YES, the technical skills are lacking with him but I don’t think that he is fundamentally that awful, just a) completely taken by all the crowd and b) used to running on adrenaline instead of calming down and focusing like a fighter should.
I think that as he matures and is hopefully able to focus more he will be better technically. In addition to more work of course.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]Kevin_Meaux wrote:
Ok the technical skill was awful[/quote]
While I agree with you, I think fundamentally people seem to be giving Pudz too little credit as far as technical ability goes, and here’s why: over in the GAL forum there was the monster “Mariusz MMA” thread in which lots of people predicted him to lose, and after he won lots of people shat all over his technical skills saying he was terrible and that he’d get murdered by a big guy who was a good fighter.
…Well I didn’t see anything near that bad with super Mario’s match. What I saw was a huge-ass man who is used to a) running on adrenaline for events in his chosen sport (WSM) and b) is facing his very first MMA fight in a huge-ass arena.
Put those two points together and they equal adrenaline dump. Adrenaline dump often means = losing all technical ability and just hulking out.
I’ve seen and heard countless people talk about how the most difficult aspect of your first competitive fight is the nerves you get stepping into the ring for the first time. And how that holds true at different levels—ie. even a seasoned fighter stepping into the UFC octagon in a huge arena for the first time ever will get that adrenaline dump and it often hurts his performance immensely and/or leads to gassing.
Yet these same people fail to consider the nerves aspect with regard to Pudz. He may be a celebrity, may be a monster at strongman, used to that spotlight and game shows, but when you step in a ring or cage in the middle of a stadium you ARE going to dump all your adrenaline.
Basically I’m saying that what I saw in his match was a man who just let the adrenaline dump carry him away. YES, the technical skills are lacking with him but I don’t think that he is fundamentally that awful, just a) completely taken by all the crowd and b) used to running on adrenaline instead of calming down and focusing like a fighter should.
I think that as he matures and is hopefully able to focus more he will be better technically. In addition to more work of course.[/quote]
This may be one of the best written and most intelligent responses to a thread I have ever read on T-Nation I doff my hat to you sir and I agree with you whole heartedly, it seemed very obvious to me when I watched it what was going on with Pudz but evidently actually giving anyone credit for anything seems to be a fleeting commodity these days.
[quote]Aragorn wrote:
[quote]Kevin_Meaux wrote:
I think that as he matures and is hopefully able to focus more he will be better technically. In addition to more work of course.[/quote]I agree with this.
I was just amazed at how quick and explosive he was. Even if you find fault in his technique or that he is telegraphing moves, there was a lot of power behind those kicks. Even with average technical skills, he will be a force because his physical ability is so much superior than everyone else.
I wouldn’t fight him, that’s for sure.