Psychiatry/chology = Pseudosciences

[quote]KombatAthlete wrote:
Leeuwer wrote:
Many succesful managers, CEO’s, and the heads of major business corporations are in fact psychologists.

Not to call you out, but can you (or anybody for that matter) name any of these high-powered psychologists? I’m very curious.[/quote]

Well, over here I can, anyway :slight_smile:

The president of the brewery of Duvel(a famous Belgian Beer)is a psychologist, he gained that position starting out as a Company Psychologist, directing and motivating workers, eventually climbing up the ladder.

It’s common in Belgium(I’m unfamiliar with the way it works in Colleges of Universities outside this country)to have a choice at universities to specialise in Company Psychology(or Clinical Psychology, which can of course lead to Psychiatry Studies later on), and afterwards to become involved in Performance Management. After that, it becomes more logical to have these men promoted in positions with more power over the company. Again, I’m not familiar with how it works in the US, but I’m assuming there is possibility for it, being the US and all.

Another example I can give is Bart Van Nijlen(personal acquintance), who went into the direction of Commercials and Consumer Behaviour, and eventually moved up to became a CEO of one of the biggest TV-Stations here.

It’s “pie-in-the-sky” if you and Mercola think for one instance that you can go into a Mental Health facility in any State; take away all meds AND psychotherapy; and tell all the patients to get in touch with their “inner Chi”, put them under UV lights at night, and they all will be cured simply because you guys think a) all that is done is “sedating” of patients and b) that every Health Professional is a lap dog and Whore for the Pharmaceutical Industry.

Good luck; let me know when you and Tom Cruise publish your findings…

I’m out…

Mufasa

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
It’s “pie-in-the-sky” if you and Mercola think for one instance that you can go into a Mental Health facility in any State; take away all meds AND psychotherapy; and tell all the patients to get in touch with their “inner Chi”, put them under UV lights at night, and they all will be cured simply because you guys think a) all that is done is “sedating” of patients and b) that every Health Professional is a lap dog and Whore for the Pharmaceutical Industry.

Good luck; let me know when you and Tom Cruise publish your findings…

I’m out…

Mufasa[/quote]

Did you defer your comprehension and reading at a young age?
When did I say that every Health Professional is a lap dog and Whore for the Pharmaceutical Industry?
When did I say that I want to take away all the medications and castrate psychotherapy? I suffered from “clinical” depression and I know for a fact the all the drugs did was make me a walking zombie and mentally sedated me. Thats all they did- other than up my risk of getting diabetes,depression,and liver damage.
And as far as your fascination with Tom cruise goes,he was not the first person who started talking about the appalling state of psychotherapy. There have been books written about this over 30 years ago,ever since the FDA tried to gain control over vitamin supplements as drugs.

There are two stridently anti-intellectual threads at the top of this board right now.

Whatever happened to “bodybuilding’s THINKTANK”?

[quote]iflyboats wrote:
I don’t mean to come off like a scientologist, but I truly agree that psychiatry is the most fraudulent discipline in all of health care. Naturopathy is more valid than psychiatry. These drugs they prescribe are dangerous and have NEVER been proven to correct ANY kind of “chemical imbalance”. In fact, the truth is that all psychiatric drugs work by DISRUPTING normal chemical processes in the brain. SSRIs do nothing more than dampen your emotions and make you complacent with your shitty existence. They do not enhance mental health- they merely cause you to become dependent on mind-altering drugs to keep you from smashing your nuts with a hammer.

As for psychology, I’m convinced that the entire field was born out of the need to have a cake major for dumb college kids who couldn’t hack it if they had to study something legitimate. Psychological “counseling” is so fabulously worthless. Most people just “think” that it helps because they enjoy having an opporunity to complain to someone about their shitty lives, but the counseling itself does nothing useful. Psychologists are not capable of providing any kind of theraputic intervention. They just sit their on their fat asses in their stupid psychologist chairs and pretend to have some kind of special perspective on life. Then they go home and snort coke like everyone else.[/quote]

Wow. HAve you recently been diagnosed with a psychological disorder and this is just a rant to make yourself feel better.

A couple things you need to do;

1)Read more about SSRIS,Atypical anti-psychotics, MAO’s etc. You really dont know what you are talking about. It sounds like you have used SSRI’s in the past and werent satisfied.

  1. Take a high level pychology course. It is not a cake walk at university level. I would venture to say no high level university course is a cake walk.

3)Grab a brain and stop downgrading a field that has helped countless people.

I guess because I am a psyc major I should should sit on my fat ass, breeze through those easy classes, then go snort some coke. IS that about right.

[quote]doogie wrote:
iflyboats wrote:
Musafa, I don’t have any solutions. I don’t need to have any. It ain’t on me. You can realize that something is worthless without having a better idea.

I’m bipolar. When not on medication I go manic, have delusions, and a lot of bad crap happens. When medicated, I have my ups and downs but I don’t go manic and I don’t try to steer my car into oncoming traffic. To declare it as worthless just tells me you haven’t dealt personally with any of it.[/quote]

Sorry if this is two posts in a row, but i also have bipolar.

Good post and so true.

I don’t know why you feel this way.

If it wasn’t for my therapist I would never have found out that I am a bull dyke lesbian trapped in the body of a man.

[quote]iflyboats wrote:
As for psychology, I’m convinced that the entire field was born out of the need to have a cake major for dumb college kids who couldn’t hack it if they had to study something legitimate. [/quote]

I don’t know man, I took plenty away from the two Psych classes I took in undergrad.

Maybe you should take a few – at the very least, you’ll learn more about yourself.

Yeah, Cthulhu…my reading comprehension is ALL shot to Hell…

My Momma used to read to us “L.Ron Hubbard Bedtime Stories and Other Bullshit for the Masses”…then she would beat us and send us to bed with Coconut Oil and Krill Porridge…

It really screwed us up for Life…

(Damn…I need a Prozac…)

Mufasa

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Yeah, Cthulhu…my reading comprehension is ALL shot to Hell…

My Momma used to read to us “L.Ron Hubbard Bedtime Stories and Other Bullshit for the Masses”…then she would beat us and send us to bed with Coconut Oil and Krill Porridge…

It really screwed us up for Life…

(Damn…I need a Prozac…)

Mufasa[/quote]

I wish my Mother did that to me,but I was in a drug induced daze since I was thirteen or so.

have you ever met someone with scizo?? without psychiatrist these poor saps would either kill someone or themselves. You can’t just “heal uorself” with mental fortitude or fish oils or whatever crap you guys are spouting.

Psyciatrist have to go through MEDICAL SCHOOL… that alone should qualify them as being NOT pseadoscientists.

[quote]IRoNStaLLion wrote:
have you ever met someone with scizo?? without psychiatrist these poor saps would either kill someone or themselves. You can’t just “heal uorself” with mental fortitude or fish oils or whatever crap you guys are spouting.

Psyciatrist have to go through MEDICAL SCHOOL… that alone should qualify them as being NOT pseadoscientists.[/quote]

Did you not read my post?
I’m talking about depression,anxiety,etc.
If someone is truly insane,rendering them a menace to themselves and society,then they belong locked up and on drugs. Just like Charles Manson.

Before you bash psychology, please provide a definition.

New drug to help us all

[quote]Aleksandr wrote:
Before you bash psychology, please provide a definition.[/quote]

It seems some of you have pretty distorted views about who psychologists are and what they do. In terms of clinicians, I think there is overall ignorance regarding not only what they do, but also how and why they do it. If you are going to discuss drugs, though, you’ll want to talk about neuroscientists and behavioural pharmacologists.

Someone mentioned that it’s been found that drugs are no better at treating depression than having someone to talk to, or another one of those studies (x is no better than y for treating z). Who do you think conducted that study? It was a psychologist.

And psychologists do so much more than deal with abnormal behaviour. I’m a business school, and it’s amazing how many psychologists there are among the faculty. Long story short, this thread oozes ignorance.

[quote]KombatAthlete wrote:
Leeuwer wrote:
Many succesful managers, CEO’s, and the heads of major business corporations are in fact psychologists.

Not to call you out, but can you (or anybody for that matter) name any of these high-powered psychologists? I’m very curious.[/quote]

Soosan Latham, VP Human Resources with JP Morgan Chase.

[quote]Cthulhu wrote:

…shipping him of to some hospital in the stinks somewhere,
[/quote]

He speaks true! Here is a rarely glimpsed photo of one such hospital in the stinks.

[quote]Aleksandr wrote:

I’m a business school, [/quote]

Is this you?

I bet it’s a bitch to find a parking space.

[quote]Kliplemet wrote:
they are simply not exact science[/quote]

It doesn’t claim to be. Knowing that setting specific high goals increases performance is useful; we don’t need to know by exactly how much performance will increase to know that goal setting is useful.

Into the belly of the beast.

[quote]John K wrote:
What you’re missing here is that there are some branches of psychology that study biological processes, such as how sensation and perception are captured from the external world by the nervous system, interpreted by the brain, etc. (See psychophysics Psychophysics - Wikipedia )[/quote]

Psychobiology is completely valid and legitimate, I agree. Unfortunately, mainstream psychology has more to do with cloaking cultural indoctrination under the guise of “medicine” than any real scientific endeavor.

[quote]CuffDunk wrote:
There is a lot more to psychology than Freud style lie-on-the-couch therapy, which is almost never practiced anymore.[/quote]

Which is a shame, since Freud and the other pioneers weren’t operating as shills for the State and medical establishment, unlike today’s practitioners.

[quote]CuffDunk wrote:
There is a lot of solid and useful information to be had about the human mind, and most of it comes from clinically controlled studies combined with field work.[/quote]

I don’t consider that type of material to be part of “psychology”. I consider it philosophy, plain and simple. It’s modern day philosophy on living your life. There is no need to drape it with a pseudo-scientific label. It’s purely subjective and it always will be. I won’t deny that listening to various peoples’ takes on how to live life can be quite fascinating. Once turned into law, however, it becomes idiocy and hypocrisy.

[quote]Qualay wrote:
I guess if a psychiatrist can give a suicidal patien t drugs for a little while, help them figure themselves out, take them off drugs and get them back on track then they are completely useless.
wait
no[/quote]

The question has to be asked: Useless or useful to WHO? Who benefits from having the formerly-suicidal patient continue living and (in all likelyhood) become a prescription drug addict? It’s rare for psychological “cures” to be limited to single intervention. More frequently, once you’re in, you’re there for life.

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
Feed them Krill and Coconut Oil…that should work…[/quote]

Yes. Either that, or help them build the individual fortitude to lift themselves out of their miserable states.

[quote]Mufasa wrote:
(Do you SEE how all this self-righteous dribble sounds, and how impractical it is when dealing with the care of millions of the mentally ill?)[/quote]

No, I don’t see that at all. “Mentally ill” is a term that can only legitimately describe one of two things:

  1. A state of nutrient deprivation (as in the case of EFA’s) which renders the biochemical processes of the brain temporarily unable to be function properly, and can be readily addressed by correcting these nutritional deficiencies.

or

  1. A state of perpetually low self-esteem due to parental & peer group indoctrination.

There is no other form of “mental illness” in existence. Period. It is a myth.

There are no “mental patients” with normal or high self esteem! ALL of them are simply individuals who lack the mental and emotional fortitude to confront life and society. See the movie or read the book titled, “One Flew Over the Cuckoo’s Nest”, in which the inner strength of the charismatic protagonist essentially “cured” the rest of the patients in the ward by giving them the courage to start living again.

You know what kind of drugs would really be of use to the “mentally ill”?
Anabolic Steroids.
That and weight training.
That’s how you build self esteem. That’s how you give people a reason to live.

There is one class of mental illness which is widely considered to be “untreatable” in the psychological field. Naturally, that would be psychopathy, sociopathy, anti-social personality Disorder (APD), and all it’s variants.

And why do you think that is? It’s precisely because these are the only so-called “mental disorders” in which the “patient” suffers from an ELEVATED self-esteem (indeed, a “grossly-overinflated sense of self worth”, according to the literature), rather than the REVERSE of this condition.

So what’s the lesson here? It’s that it’s impossible to “treat” a person who doesn’t believe that there’s anything wrong with him. The textbooks clearly state as much in the case of sociopathic criminals – they “refuse treatment, insisting that they haven’t done anything wrong and there is no reason for them to feel guilty”.

On the other hand, it’s the easiest thing in the world to make a victim out of a weak person. Indeed, the weak practically demand to be punished, or somehow enslaved. Victimized, in other words.

And that’s the joke science of psychology, in nutshell. One massive cult of victimization.

Read “The Myth of Mental Illness”, written by Thomas S. Szasz, a PSYCHOLOGIST(!)

P.S. You should be honored to know that you’ve just finished reading a post that was written by a person who fits nearly all of the criteria outlined in DSM-IV and other sources for “Antisocial Personality Disorder”. That makes me a state-sanctioned Psychopath, so I must know what I’m talking about. Pay attention, kids.