Hey Christian,
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You mentioned earlier that if one was to be on a high fat diet that you would pulse in between solid meals (because the slow absorption will negate the effects of the pulse), but isnt pulsing supposed to be done around solid meals i.e. 15-30 mins before consuming a solid meal? isnt that what causes the effect, a low amino state in the blood followed by a super high level?
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I happen to be insulin resistant although my bf composition is improving alot (i also tend to get a higher energy response with fat as carbs make me lethargic). Im gonna have to pass on the Biotest products, they are just too expensive here in australia, so having said that i currently have CHY, whey isolate, glutamine (lack of carbs) & creatine. As I train in the mornings, would something like this be effective;
7:25am - wake-up + protein pulse
12-15g CHY
7:45am - breakfast
10 egg whites
4g fish oil
200g of fruit
9:35am
25g whey isolate, 20g dextrose, 5g glutamine, 5g creatine
9:45am - start workout
20g CHY, sip during workout, (finishing just at the end of the workout)
10:45am (approx 15 mins after workout)
50g whey isolate, 5g glutamine, 5g creatine
11:30am â?? about 60 minutes after workout - protein pulse
12-15g CHY
12:00pm - lunch
200g of 97% lean ground beef
Green veggies
High fat content (olive oil)
4g fish oil
15:00pm â?? snack
Hand full of nuts
17:00pm - dinner
200g of 97% lean ground beef
Green veggies
High fat content (olive oil)
4g fish oil
21:00pm â?? pre-bed meal
Cottage cheese mixed with yogurt and 100g crushed walnuts
Much appreciated man!
is anyone who understands the principles of this able to help? even is its question 1?
CHY is expensive and i want to make sure im not wasting my money by doing this incorrectly!
many thanks!
I may as well take a stab at this, my guess is that the pulse has to be absorbed (not drunk, but actually utilized) fairly soon after the subsequent meal is absorbed.
So in regards to fats, if you were to have CHY and then fats very soon after, they would meet in the stomach and slow down the CHY; if you wait the 15 minutes, the CHY would have an effect, but the globules the fat makes in the stomach (which slows down digestion in meals) would make the actual food be absorbed way later, making the hyperaminoacidemic state come and go before the food is used.
My 0.02$
thanks for the reply bro! 
now from my understanding isnt the pulse’s effect given by a small amino state in the blood followed by a super high level of aminos?
so consume 12g of CHY > wait 10-15 mins > eat solid meal (fast absorbing protein like egg whites/white meal)
or am i totally off the ball here?
i totally understand where your coming from but will the pulse still take its effect if i consume the protein first, wait about 10 minutes and then consume the rest of my meal(vege’s, fruits and/or fats)?
edit::.
i just ordered the leucine from Biotest and i read that you can pulse with leucine alone?
so; 5g leucine > 10 mins later 20g of CHY which is about two scoops of peptopro i think
am i right?
If you have read the pulsing thread you would have noticed CT recommends a daily diet very low in fat for the purpose of effective pulsing. Fats (around 60-90g daily) should be consumed daily but at night after training.
5g leucine and 12g CH is enough for this purpose. Have this around 30mins before your solid, low fat meal. Upon waking is probably the optimum time to pulse (if you could only do it once per day).
[quote]JohnConnor wrote:
thanks for the reply bro!
now from my understanding isnt the pulse’s effect given by a small amino state in the blood followed by a super high level of aminos?
so consume 12g of CHY > wait 10-15 mins > eat solid meal (fast absorbing protein like egg whites/white meal)
or am i totally off the ball here?
i totally understand where your coming from but will the pulse still take its effect if i consume the protein first, wait about 10 minutes and then consume the rest of my meal(vege’s, fruits and/or fats)?
edit::.
i just ordered the leucine from Biotest and i read that you can pulse with leucine alone?
so; 5g leucine > 10 mins later 20g of CHY which is about two scoops of peptopro i think
am i right?
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This is what I would do:
Wake Up: Pulse with 12g CH
30mins later: 10 eggs whites + fruit
15 mins pre workout: 25g Whey Isolate + 50g dexstrose + creatine etc
During workout: 20g CH
60 mins after workout: 25g Whey isolate
60mins later: 200g white meat + greens or and fruit (LOW FATS)
3-4 hours later:
12 g CH
200g white meat + greens or and fruit (LOW FATS)
Dinner:
12g CH
Red meat + greens (HIGH FAT)
Pre-bed: Slow absorbing protein + nuts (HIGH FAT)
From CT explanations, this is how I understand a diet may be laid out using the pulsing plan. You may want to adjust depending on your goal, but CT states that peri workout nutrition is the key.
He also says not to simply eat according to a plan and eat more when hungry, providing workout nutrition is addressed.
GJ
thanks for the input guys,
james yes i have read through the 17 pages, probably about 6 times now and i do remember him saying that although i also remember him saying that if you are on a high fat diet then youll have to pulse in between meals to void slow absorption and thus negate the effects of the pulse.
i was thinking cant i just pulse with leucine and CHY inbetween meals?
is 5g leucine and 20g CHY sufficient for the effect?
[quote]JohnConnor wrote:
thanks for the input guys,
james yes i have read through the 17 pages, probably about 6 times now and i do remember him saying that although i also remember him saying that if you are on a high fat diet then youll have to pulse in between meals to void slow absorption and thus negate the effects of the pulse.
i was thinking cant i just pulse with leucine and CHY inbetween meals?
is 5g leucine and 20g CHY sufficient for the effect?[/quote]
That’s not my understanding. Firstly, the pulse protocol is not as well-suited to a high fat diet simply because you are reliant on the speedy delivery of the aminos in the leucine/CH mix to trigger hyperaminoacidemia. This effect is less likely to occur if your body is receiving a steady rate of nutrients via slow-digesting food. If you are intent on a high fat diet then arguably you should just pulse upon waking.
Secondly, 12g of CH appears sufficient for this purpose. CT has stated that taking more could potentially negate the effect over time (the exception being the para-workout window). Obviously you will also make your supply last almost twice as long by reducing to 12g.
12g of CH = how much WH?..
[quote]the pale writer wrote:
12g of CH = how much WH?..[/quote]
CHY is a bit better than WHY, so if you have 20g WHY you should be fine IMO
30 mins? Didn’t CT say that pulsing 15-20 mins before is optimal?
[quote]juverulez wrote:
30 mins? Didn’t CT say that pulsing 15-20 mins before is optimal?[/quote]
In the grand scheme of things, it wont make much of a difference.
[quote]JamesBrawn007 wrote:
JohnConnor wrote:
thanks for the input guys,
james yes i have read through the 17 pages, probably about 6 times now and i do remember him saying that although i also remember him saying that if you are on a high fat diet then youll have to pulse in between meals to void slow absorption and thus negate the effects of the pulse.
i was thinking cant i just pulse with leucine and CHY inbetween meals?
is 5g leucine and 20g CHY sufficient for the effect?
That’s not my understanding. Firstly, the pulse protocol is not as well-suited to a high fat diet simply because you are reliant on the speedy delivery of the aminos in the leucine/CH mix to trigger hyperaminoacidemia. This effect is less likely to occur if your body is receiving a steady rate of nutrients via slow-digesting food. If you are intent on a high fat diet then arguably you should just pulse upon waking.
Secondly, 12g of CH appears sufficient for this purpose. CT has stated that taking more could potentially negate the effect over time (the exception being the para-workout window). Obviously you will also make your supply last almost twice as long by reducing to 12g.[/quote]
i didnt know the answer to my question so i have been only ingesting fats in the last 2 meals of the day and kept the rest of the day fairly low. right now im pulsing upon waking up and before and after working out.
what i meant about the leucine/chy mix was that couldnt leucine trigger the protein synthesis motor itself and then follow on with the 20g of CHY to create the pulse effect? or does pulsing only work with the CHY and solid foods? i read this in your thread of the laws of pulsing;
SNACK (3 hours after breakfast)
20g of casein hydrolysate OR 30g of whey hydrolysate
5g leucine
LUNCH (90-120 minutes after snack)
200g pork tenderloin or 10 egg whites
1 cup rice or 1 potatoe
you included “snacks” in your protocol although you eat solids 90-120 mins after the snack, but doesnt this negate the effect of the pulse or is this simply exactly that - a snack? i assumed that you ingest 12g of chy and then follow on with solid foods 15 mins later, any more then 30 mins and you lose the effect?
Someone correct me if I’ve misinterpreted here but, the idea of a pulse is to spike the amino acids in the bloodstream. The idea is that its the sudden change in aminos that turns on anabolism/protein synthesis. So by waiting for about 3 hours or so after your last meal you allow the aminos in your blood to ‘clear out’ so that when you pulse there is a big spike or change in the levels. Doing this in between meals would simply end catabolic state that might go on for many hours before you eat again. IE. if you eat 3 solid meals a day you’re likely going 5-6 hrs between without anything.
This would simply keep your body in a anabolic mode more often throughout the day. Doing it before a meal I assume puts your body into anabolic mode so that your solid meal is more beneficial to muscle building. I started wondering about this idea myself after I read about Biotest’s leucine and the idea that the sudden change in leucine induced an anabolic state.
Can someone give me a link to the original protein pulse thread by CT? I cant seem to find it.