Just read this, and tell my what ya’ll think, “John Ivy, Ph.D., coauthor of Nutrient Timing. If you’re working out hard, consuming more than 0.9 to 1.25 grams of protein per pound of body weight is a waste.”
I don’t think this applies to dieting, which I know you have to eat more protein when you cut down the carbs.
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Just read this, and tell my what ya’ll think, “John Ivy, Ph.D., coauthor of Nutrient Timing. If you’re working out hard, consuming more than 0.9 to 1.25 grams of protein per pound of body weight is a waste.”
I don’t think this applies to dieting, which I know you have to eat more protein when you cut down the carbs.
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You’d have to ask Beradi that. He also worked on that book, I think. It’s all about protein synthesis and protein breakdown but it’s too complicated to understand unless you have a PhD in nutritional biochemistry. It just depends on how much calories your body use for energy daily. If you severely restrict your calories intake, you’d lose muscles because theres not enough calories to go around to maintain them. That’s where fats come in to help with the energy while you restrict carbs intake to keep the insulin level under control for maximum fat loss.
mikeruiz49, you’re right on. Drop the carbs and up the protein.
Tungsten, I don’t totally agree about the complexity of the book (though I’m not exactly in a position to say). A complicated protein synthesis/breakdown book is Dr. Wolfe’s Stable Radioisotope Tracers Textbook. Can’t wait to take that class in 5 months.
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In my opinion The Get Big Diet is by far the most scientifically sound in all of the T-mag archives. I think I know exactly what magically happens when you eat more protein. You simply get more calories! Many people fail to realize that they grow mostly because of calories, some of which just happen to be protein and not the other way around. Don’t believe me? Go ahead and eat 500g of protein a day and almost nothing else. That’s 2000 calories from protein and maybe 500 additional from the small amount of other foods you’ll barely be able to stuff down your throat. The result - you’ll never grow. Now try eating 4000 calories a day and the regular 0.9g of protein per pound of body weight. The result - you’ll be gaining like a motherf-er.
w2907, i dont think anyone’s arguing that 500g of protein/lb/day would be enough to grow. the issue iswhat happens between .9 and 1.5 and whether the growth is from increased calories or the increased protein. I know JB supports the 1.5g protocol, I believe in the pdf file at his website “The Essential Berardi”
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mikeruiz49, you’re right on. Drop the carbs and up the protein.
Tungsten, I don’t totally agree about the complexity of the book (though I’m not exactly in a position to say). A complicated protein synthesis/breakdown book is Dr. Wolfe’s Stable Radioisotope Tracers Textbook. Can’t wait to take that class in 5 months.
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Have fun! I wish i’d take it with you. You have to agree that it is that COMPLEX if you think about it “deeply” although it is really simple. I guess I know more details to think that it’s that complex. That’s just me though.
We probably can get by with 1.5-2.0g of protein per pound of body weight ( like CT’s) depending on the energy balance but i can’t consume that much protein for some reason but I can get by as long as I get enough fat of all kinds.
I have to agree. I think getting at least .9 - 1.25 grams of protein per pound of bodyweight is sufficient for growth. But I also think that if you get more, it can help. As long as you get that amount, you should be okay.
[quote]mikeruiz49 wrote:
Just read this, and tell my what ya’ll think, “John Ivy, Ph.D., coauthor of Nutrient Timing. If you’re working out hard, consuming more than 0.9 to 1.25 grams of protein per pound of body weight is a waste.”
I don’t think this applies to dieting, which I know you have to eat more protein when you cut down the carbs.
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Don’t know where the myth is here… Sounds like plenty of protein for putting on muscle. I don’t think anyone really, SERIOUSLY suggests you NEED more to gain, at least for a natural athlete.
Also depends on how you define “dieting.” That could mean any number of things.
I think the point he’s trying to make is that in order to support and encourage muscle gains, there’s a limit to how much protein you need to have enough raw materials FOR THAT PURPOSE. So if you are cutting carbs out of your diet and need to get replacement calories, more protein may be useful, but not because you can put it to use building muscle, just as a calorie source.
I have never had trouble building muscle with ~1gm/lb, as long as my total calorie intake was high enough. And IMO getting enough total calories to grow is a much bigger problem for most people than getting enough protein. I was shocked by how much I needed to eat to really get the muscle on. Hey maybe if I listened to the articles in Muscle and Fitness and upped it to 2gm/lb my gains would skyrocket, but I seriously doubt it.
Nick