4-ply Inzer EHPHD? I can only imagine the bruising and torn-up skin. What are your thoughts on the various Inzer denims and Viking Pro Bencher? I’ve only ever used the regular Pro (not a bad shirt) and the Bash (not a fan).
Actually, it is a very confortable shirt- even worn tightly. Good pop, easy to touch in. Its not a lot different than using a 2ply EHPHD- it just holds it’s shape a lot longer.
Denim did not work well for me. It seemed like no matter how I altered the shirts (or grew to fill them out), I never got a lot of pop out of the material. It just slowed the bar on the way down and eased it up a couple inches on the way up.
The Viking was similar for me. For all the difficulty I had touching in mine, it should given me a lot more pop. The mystifying thing about these shirts is how short they are. You are hard pressed to keep your belt on the shirt. I don’t get it - I thought folks were tall in Scandinavia. Maybe they just make the shorty shirts for export.[/quote]
I’ve never used a viking bencher but as far as denim goes Inzer used to have really nice black denims, but have since changed the material and they are prone to blowouts, the ultimate denim was discontinued, and the blue isn’t too stiff. As far as benching in a denim goes you have to learn how to throw the bar, it gives you stopping power and can be very hard to touch, but no pop. I’ve switched over to poly because of just that, and think that the bash shirt is like a denim that’s easy to touch, tons of support if it’s tight enough but no pop and riding the tension to lockout is too hard.
I’m gunna post my question here, since I’m going to be looking for new gear before long:
Briefs: I’m a medium stance (wider than shoulders) squatter that needs a stretch reflex to get out of the hole. I’m pretty sure I’d be looking for a stretchy pair of briefs then. Also, these won’t be for competition, but rather just to train and to keep my hips healthy.
Also, I’m looking for something to help my conventional deadlift from 18" (right below knees) for reps. I compete in strongman and some contests have a pull from this height. I’m thinking a squat suit might be better for this than a deadlift suit since it’s a higher pull, and that I want a stretchy material since it’s a pull for reps. I could be wrong though. Any suggestions/ideas?
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
I’m gunna post my question here, since I’m going to be looking for new gear before long:
Briefs: I’m a medium stance (wider than shoulders) squatter that needs a stretch reflex to get out of the hole. I’m pretty sure I’d be looking for a stretchy pair of briefs then. Also, these won’t be for competition, but rather just to train and to keep my hips healthy.
Also, I’m looking for something to help my conventional deadlift from 18" (right below knees) for reps. I compete in strongman and some contests have a pull from this height. I’m thinking a squat suit might be better for this than a deadlift suit since it’s a higher pull, and that I want a stretchy material since it’s a pull for reps. I could be wrong though. Any suggestions/ideas?[/quote]
For Briefs, I would go with either some Frantz single or double ply briefs or Single Ply Inzer Hardcore powerpants, you can order them a size or two bigger for passive support.
As for the deadlift, I think you would be ok with a deadlift suit, but you could make due with a squat suit, I’d think you would get something out of it either way.
[quote]UHCougar05 wrote:
For Briefs, I would go with either some Frantz single or double ply briefs or Single Ply Inzer Hardcore powerpants, you can order them a size or two bigger for passive support.
As for the deadlift, I think you would be ok with a deadlift suit, but you could make due with a squat suit, I’d think you would get something out of it either way.
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The Frantz briefs are pretty good - first briefs I ever used. On the deadlift suit make sure the straps aren’t too tight. Go up a size or pick one up that has velcro (if it’s allowed). Otherwise, it will be miserable pulling for reps, even for the 18" DL.
Ok, we’ve got a few people who’ve used pretty much everything. I’ll put the threads up Friday (U.S. time), and between now and then all there is to do is to get a basic template (and spread the word). What I’d been thinking of was having things broken down into:
*Personal lifts, equipment/brands you have experience with, and whether you are a sponsored athlete
*Gear you are evaluating. If you are evaluating a whole range, i.e. Metal Squat Suits, mention any that you haven’t tried. Importantly, specify if it’s single or multi-ply.
*Pro’s and Cons; I’d like to see fit, comfort, carryover, durability, manipulation (Can you jack/unjack shirts much, change touch points etc.) and who the gear suits (Experienced, close stance etc.) evaluated
*Comparison. How it matches up to other equipment you’ve used. Name names.
*Everything else. Anything you’d like to add, recommendations, whether it’s useful for raw or physique lifters, anything really.
What do you want to see in the threads? Anything wrong with this as a basic template for posts about equipment? Things to add, remove?
I have tried a few shirts from inzer and titan.
tried out 2 different metal suits, have a Titan centurion NXG+ and have 3 new suits and a metal deadlift suit coming in.
I could give a long limbed beginners perspective on the issue.
Also in Europe Inzer hasn’t got the same influence, here in denmark Titan gear is the most popular.
I’ve got a gear question re: the metal IPF squatter. I’m a dive bomb squatter in single ply, train pretty much old school progressive overload, I don’t sit back much but more of opening my groin.
I get less carry over out of the titan nxg than I used to from a Z-suit or the old marathons. Guess I’m just not sitting back enough, but after almost 20 years I don’t really want to change my squat form.
How’s the rebound in the metal suits? and has anyone else who doesn’t really sit back in a squat had any experience with them?
Hopefully this is the type of answer this thread could be for lots of other people.
The Inzer Hardcore is a much more rebound suit than any single ply Titan. Titan is a dead stop suit, that is it will stop you at a a certain height.
I think the Crain and the Inzer single plys will serve you better dive bomb style. If you dive bomb in a dead stop suit you need to focus more on holding your arch and body angle than pushing your butt back.
Good luck
jack
I’m kind of confused here. I lifted at 153 (I was actually 150), I was in a z-suit meant for a 165 pounder. I got 50ish pounds of carryover. If I’m not getting any rebound out of the hole with a titan, how is it going to help?
Zep,
Get a tighter Hardcore!
I was planning on the centurion. What exactly is going to give me the best carryover? Can you tell by the way I raw squat? Or is it because I got a decentish carryover in a loose, old stype suit?[/quote]
zep,
The Inzer is more of an overall tightness suit with more give but also more rebound. The titan gear is very vertical in it’s support and will stop you dead at a certain depth. Not as good for a rebound squatter.
[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
I’m gunna post my question here, since I’m going to be looking for new gear before long:
Briefs: I’m a medium stance (wider than shoulders) squatter that needs a stretch reflex to get out of the hole. I’m pretty sure I’d be looking for a stretchy pair of briefs then. Also, these won’t be for competition, but rather just to train and to keep my hips healthy.
Also, I’m looking for something to help my conventional deadlift from 18" (right below knees) for reps. I compete in strongman and some contests have a pull from this height. I’m thinking a squat suit might be better for this than a deadlift suit since it’s a higher pull, and that I want a stretchy material since it’s a pull for reps. I could be wrong though. Any suggestions/ideas?[/quote]
I use Metal Pro Briefs for general hip health and Metal Ace Briefs (have a matching Metal Ace suit for comp) also. Love both, though I find the Ace briefs better for deadlifting pop. I dead sumo, so take that for what it’s worth.
I get a lot out of the Ace briefs, and they are a bit firmer than my Pros. But I got the Pros a little loose for support and not much pop, really just to save my hips while working through Sheiko cycles. I’m constantly getting bigger, though, so they’re getting tighter as I go.
The Inzer is more of an overall tightness suit with more give but also more rebound. The titan gear is very vertical in it’s support and will stop you dead at a certain depth. Not as good for a rebound squatter.
jack
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alright, but How do we know I’m a rebound squatter? Looking back on it I’m suprised I got so much out of that z-suit.
Have you seen the Katana Low Scoop Neck? The neck seam is insane on that thing. Last night my buddy Chris tried on a 46 (he wears a size 42 normally) and still got carry-over from it. The shirt was VERY loose too.
Apparently, Titan has tweaked the shirt for the past year since some of the Feds would not clear it. Unfortunately, I can’t find an online list of where’s it’s legal.
I am beginning to think that longer limbed lifters should look for gear with more elasticity.
It makes sense that the gear will have to stretch over a longer distance because of the long ROM these lifters have. Thus more elastic gear will gradually tighten op towards end ROM and provide pop out of the hole and push through a longer range of motion, whereas stiff gear will stop you at the bottom ans stop providing support completely faster.
Personally with my limited experience I love my RageX.
It gives great support and pop out of the hole. It provides support further up in the lift than my titan fury. The rageX can be set very aggressively and really stop you at the bottom or you can set it so it has less stop and is easier to touch and simply provides support.
I have tried Both a Centurion nxg+ squat suit (one size to large)a viking v-type and a traditional metal squatter.
The viking and the centurion where comparable for me in squatting.
The metal squatter is much “stretchier”.
Squats
Centurion NXG+ Stiff Neutral
Viking v-type Moderately stiff Very comfortable
Metal squatter Elastic Very comfortable
Sumo Deadlifts
Centurion nxg+ Good carryover Neutral
Viking v-type Some carryover Neutral
Metal Squatter Good carryover Easy to use
For me personally the metal squat suit is a perfect beginner suit, and can give quite good carry over, but very little stopping power. It actually makes me squat better than when I squat raw.
Remember I am a n00b, so my opinions are relevant for n00bs who want to figure out what gear to start out in.
I have purchased a lot of gear lately, and will be working hard to learn my gear. First step is getting in shape work with gear on a weekly basis. Gear work is HARD on your recovery, until your body adapts.
Have you seen the Katana Low Scoop Neck? The neck seam is insane on that thing. Last night my buddy Chris tried on a 46 (he wears a size 42 normally) and still got carry-over from it. The shirt was VERY loose too.
Apparently, Titan has tweaked the shirt for the past year since some of the Feds would not clear it. Unfortunately, I can’t find an online list of where’s it’s legal. [/quote]
It’s a beast of a shirt for single ply. I bought one from Ken Anderson. Its neck is also reinforced (might be slightly different from your friend’s shirt), so I doubt it’d be legal in many of the single-ply feds. This shirt will take a while for me to master.