Proof Gay Marriage is Wrong

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[quote]EMT-FF Jordan wrote:
maybe if you read the Bible a little more…remember a story called Soddom and Gomorrah…He sent those fuckers in a flaming specatilve of fire and brim stone. pretty sweet if you ask me. [/quote]

Please read Ezekiel 16. You should find God’s own explanation for the destruction of S and G. I believe it goes a little something like “Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy.” That’d be verse 49. And I refer you to Matthew Chapter 7, entire. Read it, read it again, then get someone to explain the big words to you.

Pray tell, what is a “specatilve”?
Bigotry is for fucktards. Especially when you don’t have the guts to admit that it is your problem and not Gods.

Religious fundamentalism of every stripe is the greatest threat to liberty and justice on the planet. I hope the Rapture comes soon and takes all you morons with it. The rest of us can live in peace.

WMD

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[quote]Beauzo wrote:
Question: If being gay is “biological”, and therefore some “has no choice, but to be gay”, how would propagation of a species happen?

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Are you totally stupid? It is obvious from the population that most people are heterosexual, therefore propagation of the species is taken care of. And in case you don’t know, just because someone is gay, doens’t mean their reproductive system doesn’t work. And do we really need enough people on the planet to consume every freakin’ resource it has?

WMD

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[quote]Beauzo wrote:
Question: If being gay is “biological”, and therefore some “has no choice, but to be gay”, how would propagation of a species happen?

I believe it is a consious psychosocial decision. It is what someone feels comfortable doing that brings them to this answer that they are gay.

Many gay people say, "Are you crazy? Being gay is torture in society; but wouldn’t that make the choice even easier to be gay? They feel more comfort in the surroundings of other gay people?

What people choose do with their life is their business. Do I approve of it? No. But, I don’t condemn them for it either.

Many christian fanatics continuously pound the hammer, telling gay people they are going to hell and that they hate them, which I find very hipocritical seeing that Jesus taught us to love everyone, and leave the judging to him.

So my feelings are I don’t hate gay people, but I don’t approve of there lifestyle or the fact that they would try to mock the holy sacrement of marriage (which is only reserved for a man and a woman). On the other hand, if they want a civil union, that’s ok by me.[/quote]

You are a veritable font of idiocy. I was stopped dead in my tracks by your first question. But the rest of this is just priceless.

Where to begin? Oh yes. The total hubris of saying you don’t approve. Who asked for your or any other straight Christian persons approval? What makes you think you have any right to approve of any other persons life or lifestyle (as if there were only one way of being gay or living as a gay person)?

WTF? It’s easier to be gay becuae a huge segment of this culture loathes queers? Because then you have to seek out acceptance in a reviled subculture? Were you dropped on your head at birth? What the hell is the matter with you?

You believe it to be a concsious decision? Why don’t you ask a gay person someday if they sat down one day and just decided it would be much better to be gay and how fucking comfortable it was when they realized they were gay.

Unbelievable.

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To all you bible thumping slightly insane people:

Do you care if someone works on a saturday?

Oh no.

Do you allow people to approach the altar of God even though they have a defect in their sight?

Yes, you do.

Do you get your hair trimmed around the temples?

Probably yes.

Have you touched the skin of a dead pig, do you have a problems with a farmer planting two different crops in the same field, is it ok for you if a woman wears garments made of two different kinds of thread?

The answers are yes, no, and yes.

If it comes to homosexuality then the word of GOD really starts to count, doesn?t it? Because the rest of his commandments, he didn?t really mean them, oh no, but the one with gay people, this is when He REALLY meant it.

Yeah, right.

You are hypocrites and cowards that huddle behind a little not- so- terribly -well- written book to justify your own fear and prejudices.

You can believe in your invisible, kind (?) alpha male in the sky and you never ever have to grow up if you don?t want to, but if you start to intrude into other peoples lives with that bullshit you should be aware that people who believe that they have only one life get pretty pissed if you want to shove that intellectual dung down their throats.

I swear, if I read much more of that BS I will have to have sex with a man just to make 100% sure I will never wake up in heaven to spend an eternity with you lunatics.

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[quote]orion wrote:
To all you bible thumping slightly insane people:[/quote]

And yet another sterotype! If you are a Christian you are then catagorized as “Bible thumping” and “insane.” How open minded.

[quote]Do you care if someone works on a saturday?

Oh no.

Do you allow people to approach the altar of God even though they have a defect in their sight?

Yes, you do.

Do you get your hair trimmed around the temples?

Probably yes.

Have you touched the skin of a dead pig, do you have a problems with a farmer planting two different crops in the same field, is it ok for you if a woman wears garments made of two different kinds of thread?

The answers are yes, no, and yes.

If it comes to homosexuality then the word of GOD really starts to count, doesn?t it? Because the rest of his commandments, he didn?t really mean them, oh no, but the one with gay people, this is when He REALLY meant it.

Yeah, right.[/quote]

You are confused. Homosexuality is roundly condemned in the Old Testament as well as the New Testament. Irregardless of Levitical. Read the Bible and you will see that.

You like to sterotype, hey why not it’s free and this is the Internet. I wonder why you don’t like it when others sterotype you? Actually, the Bible is 66 separate books and all of them are very well written. Sort of strange that while you attempt to point out other peoples prejudices you show your own!

I think that some are definately prejiduce against Gay people. I also think that some are prejiduce against Christians. I wonder why one is aloud and one is looked down upon. I think all sterotypes are harmful to a degree, don’t you?

Your tolerance for others beliefs could probably use some work huh? Is God hating that much fun that it must transcend good form? Must be the case…

Many of the people who have been arguing on your side seem to be the ones who are shoving “intellectual dung” down peoples throats. And might I add, doing it with zero class and tolerance!

I would say judging by your lack of tolerance and your irrational demeanor (some would call it lunacy) that you have no worries about waking up in heaven, at this juncture. Although time will tell.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
orion wrote:
To all you bible thumping slightly insane people:

And yet another sterotype! If you are a Christian you are then catagorized as “Bible thumping” and “insane.” How open minded.

Do you care if someone works on a saturday?

Oh no.

Do you allow people to approach the altar of God even though they have a defect in their sight?

Yes, you do.

Do you get your hair trimmed around the temples?

Probably yes.

Have you touched the skin of a dead pig, do you have a problems with a farmer planting two different crops in the same field, is it ok for you if a woman wears garments made of two different kinds of thread?

The answers are yes, no, and yes.

If it comes to homosexuality then the word of GOD really starts to count, doesn?t it? Because the rest of his commandments, he didn?t really mean them, oh no, but the one with gay people, this is when He REALLY meant it.

Yeah, right.

You are confused. Homosexuality is roundly condemned in the Old Testament as well as the New Testament. Irregardless of Levitical. Read the Bible and you will see that.

You are hypocrites and cowards that huddle behind a little not- so- terribly -well- written book to justify your own fear and prejudices.

You like to sterotype, hey why not it’s free and this is the Internet. I wonder why you don’t like it when others sterotype you? Actually, the Bible is 66 separate books and all of them are very well written. Sort of strange that while you attempt to point out other peoples prejudices you show your own!

I think that some are definately prejiduce against Gay people. I also think that some are prejiduce against Christians. I wonder why one is aloud and one is looked down upon. I think all sterotypes are harmful to a degree, don’t you?

You can believe in your invisible, kind (?) alpha male in the sky and you never ever have to grow up if you don?t want to,

Your tolerance for others beliefs could probably use some work huh? Is God hating that much fun that it must transcend good form? Must be the case…

…but if you start to intrude into other peoples lives with that bullshit you should be aware that people who believe that they have only one life get pretty pissed if you want to shove that intellectual dung down their throats.

Many of the people who have been arguing on your side seem to be the ones who are shoving “intellectual dung” down peoples throats. And might I add, doing it with zero class and tolerance!

I swear, if I read much more of that BS I will have to have sex with a man just to make 100% sure I will never wake up in heaven to spend an eternity with you lunatics.

I would say judging by your lack of tolerance and your irrational demeanor (some would call it lunacy) that you have no worries about waking up in heaven, at this juncture. Although time will tell.

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I have no worries about waking up in heaven. Cuz, you know…it’s a fairy tale for children.

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I’m pretty sure the biggest reason people get into, or get denied access to heaven is whether or not they were an asshole. Conservative or Liberal, assholes are assholes. And only a dick can fuck an asshole… :wink:

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[quote]harris447 wrote:

I have no worries about waking up in heaven. Cuz, you know…it’s a fairy tale for children.
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You have already shown your intolerance for Christianity. An intolerance that if directed toward almost anything or anyone else would be looked down upon and roundly criticized by all. Ignorance is never a justifiable defense for hate.

What more do you have to prove?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

And yet another sterotype! If you are a Christian you are then catagorized as “Bible thumping” and “insane.” How open minded.
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No.

Religion is like wine. Some people can handle a lot of it quite well, others get loud and mean after consuming small amounts.

I did steal that idea from somewhere, but I cannot remember where from.

My point still stands. The WORD OF GOD IS THE WORD OF GOD. Or it isn?t. Which is it? Why can you disregard THE WORD OF GOD and others can?t?

Yes I think all stereotypes are harmful. I also think they are necessary. What can I say, life sucks sometimes.

Prejudice against christians? Who is trying to influence the way you live? Feel free to whorship Jehova all you want!

Can christians not join the US military? Are there people that consider "christian- bashing " a sport?

My tolerance is just fine. I tolerate A LOT. The main reason is that I couldn?t care less what someone else believes in, smokes, fucks, or masturbates to.

But tolerating something means just that. Tolerating it. Not taking measures against it. That?s it.

God hating? That would be like hating unicorns or elves or hobbits. I cannot hate an entity I don?t think exists.

What do they shove down your throats?

What does it take away from you when two men marry?

Because you take something away from these men if you do not allow them to marry.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote:

I have no worries about waking up in heaven. Cuz, you know…it’s a fairy tale for children.

You have already shown your intolerance for Christianity. An intolerance that if directed toward almost anything or anyone else would be looked down upon and roundly criticized by all. Ignorance is never a justifiable defense for hate.

What more do you have to prove?[/quote]

Well, first of all, there’s not really ignorance on my part. i was well schooled in religion before I decided it was silly.

Second, please find the hate. I don’t hate religious people, I just think they’re wasting valuable time debating how many angels fit on the head of a pin.

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[quote]Beauzo wrote:
Many christian fanatics continuously pound the hammer, telling gay people they are going to hell and that they hate them, which I find very hipocritical seeing that Jesus taught us to love everyone, and leave the judging to him.
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I’m really in trouble…I hate everyone.

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[quote]cycloneforce wrote:
Beauzo wrote:
Many christian fanatics continuously pound the hammer, telling gay people they are going to hell and that they hate them, which I find very hipocritical seeing that Jesus taught us to love everyone, and leave the judging to him.

I’m really in trouble…I hate everyone.

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No, no, no …

You are just not selling it right…

You just love everyone the same!

Not very much in your case, but still…

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
mica617 wrote:
harris447 wrote:
I’m sorry, but religion is so fucking stupid it’s beyond words.

I would hate to think of finding the err of my ways when it’s too late.
I may be wrong about a few things, but I would never suppose to belittle someone’s faith, no matter what their faith is on whether I believe it or not.
As far as your statement is concerned, to play Devil’s advocate, if YOU are right, I’m still not out much.
If I am right, enjoy Hell. I hear it’s hot there this time of year, so I don’t plan on visiting.

You’re speaking of Pascal’s wager: if I believe in god, and he doesn’t exist, then no loss; if I don’t believe and he does, then I’m fucked.

That’s a coward’s belief system.

As far as belittling others’ faith…why not? Why is “faith” so off-limits? Just because someone nelieves in something doesn’t make it extraordinarily stupid.

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Re-read my post. I specifically said “to play Devil’s advocate”. I NEVER said that that was the reason that I believe.
It is really easy to call someone a coward from behind a keyboard, but we all read Shugart’s Straw Man article, so I see no need to question your choice of words.

A discussion of “faith” is not off limits, however, you and I BOTH know that we would never change each other’s mind in this forum. We also know that your choice of words was by NO means an attempt at civil discussion.

I am content with my faith and always will be. Much like my FIRST post on this thread (back to the original subject) homosexuals are content with their own lifestyle. They are BOTH choices, and in the end, right or wrong, we will ALL have to live with the consequences of our choices.
I have never pretended to speak for God, only my INTERPRETATIONS from my studies of the Bible.

As for scientific proof of why I believe, the very definition of faith (Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief. See Synonyms at trust.- from dictionary.com) should answer that question.

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[quote]mica617 wrote:
harris447 wrote:
mica617 wrote:
harris447 wrote:
I’m sorry, but religion is so fucking stupid it’s beyond words.

I would hate to think of finding the err of my ways when it’s too late.
I may be wrong about a few things, but I would never suppose to belittle someone’s faith, no matter what their faith is on whether I believe it or not.
As far as your statement is concerned, to play Devil’s advocate, if YOU are right, I’m still not out much.
If I am right, enjoy Hell. I hear it’s hot there this time of year, so I don’t plan on visiting.

You’re speaking of Pascal’s wager: if I believe in god, and he doesn’t exist, then no loss; if I don’t believe and he does, then I’m fucked.

That’s a coward’s belief system.

As far as belittling others’ faith…why not? Why is “faith” so off-limits? Just because someone nelieves in something doesn’t make it extraordinarily stupid.

Re-read my post. I specifically said “to play Devil’s advocate”. I NEVER said that that was the reason that I believe.
It is really easy to call someone a coward from behind a keyboard, but we all read Shugart’s Straw Man article, so I see no need to question your choice of words.

A discussion of “faith” is not off limits, however, you and I BOTH know that we would never change each other’s mind in this forum. We also know that your choice of words was by NO means an attempt at civil discussion.

I am content with my faith and always will be. Much like my FIRST post on this thread (back to the original subject) homosexuals are content with their own lifestyle. They are BOTH choices, and in the end, right or wrong, we will ALL have to live with the consequences of our choices.
I have never pretended to speak for God, only my INTERPRETATIONS from my studies of the Bible.

As for scientific proof of why I believe, the very definition of faith (Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief. See Synonyms at trust.- from dictionary.com) should answer that question.

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Here’s the problem with your thinking: sexuality is NOT A CHOICE.

When, exactly, did you choose your sexuality? If you are a heterosexual (and, for some reason, I’m just gonna assume you are), can you please tell me the moment, or series thereof, that you decided to become aroused by women? To take it further, can you see choosing to become homosexual?

No one on this planet decides what gives them a boner (or a girl-boner). Anyone who says different is trying to sell something.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
harris447 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote:

I have no worries about waking up in heaven. Cuz, you know…it’s a fairy tale for children.

You have already shown your intolerance for Christianity. An intolerance that if directed toward almost anything or anyone else would be looked down upon and roundly criticized by all. Ignorance is never a justifiable defense for hate.

What more do you have to prove?

Well, first of all, there’s not really ignorance on my part. i was well schooled in religion before I decided it was silly.

Second, please find the hate. I don’t hate religious people, I just think they’re wasting valuable time debating how many angels fit on the head of a pin.

I would be very careful where you tread with this one Harris. I think it is human nature to find a God or Gods in order to justify things and make lives worth living.

Every cultrure in th history of the world has Gods, creation myths, at least one great flood myth, and a thought about how the world will end. Even though I am not fond of organized religions per se, I still believe in what is generally the Catholic god. I just have a problem with the Church(any Church, this is) trying to get into politics.

If you think its silly, that’s cool. But don’t knock folks for believeing in religion. If you are going to, make sure to seperate organized religion and God. Because they are certainly to different things.[/quote]

It’s also human nature to shit where we eat, kill what we don’t understand, and allow Billy Crystal to keep on living.

Also; you cannot separate organized religion from god. I’m sorry, but my belief is that all those people who say “I’m spiritual, but not religious” are intellectually lazy.

But, here’s the thing: I don’t expect you to respect that belief. My main thesis is this: just because someone believes in something doesn’t make it sacred. People believe the earth is flat, that aliens have vistited us, that the CIA blew up the Twin Towers. I don’t have to respect their beliefs.

People also believe there is an invisible super-hero in the sky who cares about what you have for lunch. I don’t have to respect that, either.

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[quote]SWR-1222D wrote:
Why are people arguing in favor of gay marriage against the original post, line for line?

Does everyone see the sarcasm in it and realise that it’s realy a pro-gay marriage post?[/quote]

I’m not sure if this was directed at me, but mine was intended as an anti-gay marriage post. Maybe sarcasm of sarcasm online doesn’t work. It’s wabbit season!

My issue is with the minutiae of the whole argument. It’s not just about love. If it was then incest, polygamy/gany, pedophilia, etc. are part of the issue as well. It’s not just about sex, same as above. It’s not about parenting and children. Gay parents do/don’t raise children, straight parents do/don’t raise children, and the state is pretty hands off as long as the parents aren’t negligent.

It’s not about tax and insurance benefits because civil unions written contracts (wills), and common law were designed with these points in mind. It’s about the principle of the matter and in my mind, the entire U.S. shouldn’t be bent one way or the other in favor of a minority on principle alone.

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[quote]harris447 wrote:

can you please tell me the moment, or series thereof, that you decided to become aroused by women?

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Summer of 1967, in my buddy’s clubhouse, looking at a centerfold in a 1962 vintage playboy. ( sorry can’t remember exactly which issue )

I was born in 1960 by the way…

( This could be a whole new thread. hehe )

|/ 3Toes

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[quote]The3toedSloth wrote:
harris447 wrote:

can you please tell me the moment, or series thereof, that you decided to become aroused by women?

Summer of 1967, in my buddy’s clubhouse, looking at a centerfold in a 1962 vintage playboy. ( sorry can’t remember exactly which issue )

I was born in 1960 by the way…

( This could be a whole new thread. hehe )

|/ 3Toes

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Jane Fonda as Barbarella in the scene with the Orgasmatron… sigh…

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I don?t understand why ?straight? men dwell on the Gay Marriage Issue.

I don?t consider myself ?Gay? but, I am a homosexual Man. I have lived with a Man for over 15 years. Neither one of us has any desire to be married. We are also both welcomed members of a Southern Baptist Church in Tennessee. We have experienced only positive attitudes towards us from the Church. I also have a BS in Chemical Engineering from Purdue University, if that makes any difference.

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[quote]harris447 wrote:

Here’s the problem with your thinking: sexuality is NOT A CHOICE. When, exactly, did you choose your sexuality? If you are a heterosexual (and, for some reason, I’m just gonna assume you are), can you please tell me the moment, or series thereof, that you decided to become aroused by women? To take it further, can you see choosing to become homosexual?

No one on this planet decides what gives them a boner (or a girl-boner). Anyone who says different is trying to sell something.
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(Here we go again…) Here is the problem with your thinking: There is not one scintilla of proof that being Gay means being born that way! Yet, it is the powerful Homosexual lobby which wants the public to think that that’s in fact the way it is. Think again!

I understand that it’s a complicated issue. However, one can have various experiences in childhood (or lack of experiences) which can in fact make a mark on his or her sexuality. There is no proof either way(nuture or nature) so don’t assume that one is “born that way.”

I am in no way stating that one actively chooses to be Gay. On the contrary there may be psychological circumstances that play into this at an early age. Hence, by the time they are an adult the choice may already be made through nuture. Simply one theory, no better or worse than “born that way.”

We do however know that the “act” of homosexuality is indeed a choice. What that means can be (and has been) debated by folks much smarter than you and I on the subject.