Proof Gay Marriage is Wrong

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Mediated Life wrote:
Blah, blah, blah…

Dude, I know you were being sarcastic. So was I. I guess my sarcasm was to subtle for you.

Your reply did not offer any substantial argument to by post, so I?m not going to address each one of your ridicules arguments.

Yea, you have to watch Lorisco and that subtle humor. It works better if you realize all his posts are a joke.[/quote]

True to form drukenIrish26 can’t intelligently argue against any points made here, so he results to name calling once again. What a surprise. Why don’t you go back to your pint until you can come up with something more substantial to contribute to the discussion.

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
doogie wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
chinadoll wrote:
I have two aunties who have been together since before I was born. They should be able to be married. Their union has outlasted mostly everybody’s marriages, even longer than many people my age who are on their second, third marriages! Just because a couple is heterosexual doesn’t mean their relationship is more healthy than a gay couple’s.

You look so hot I hate to disagree with you. But in the absence of some naked photos of you, I must speak the truth. While it may be anecdotally true for you that your Ants have a long standing relationship, all statistic’s demonstrate that homosexual relationships are less stable than herto. Individual experience really can’t and doesn’t prove the overall trend of things.

Damn, and you are so hot too!

You don’t think that being able to get married might change that?

That is why I didn’t post a source. It will be either discredited as biases or someone will say that homo’s would have a better track record if they could marry. So is that true? I don’t know.

Just a tip: intelligent people tend to take you less seriously when you refer to gay people as “homo’s”. Even less so when you don’t know what an apostrophe does.

You didn’t post a source because there is none. You don’t know what you’re talking about; you just don’t like dudes gettin’ wit’ other dudes.
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Well, when you find an intelligent person let me know’s, ok’s buttheads’s. 's, 's, 's, 's…

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[quote]ruglayer09052000 wrote:
I believe that we will be judged not on what our beliefs are, which are many and varied, right and or wrong, but on how we treated others in our lifetime. For me, it’s that simple. Keeps me from going insane most of the time. (and from killing some people)[/quote]

Sorry to break into the argument here, but I had to respond to this…

Ruglayer, go ahead and kill all the people you want. You can repent just before you are executed, and you get into heaven no sweat, I hear. This is what has always baffled me. If I choose to live life as an atheist, yet, I live a more virtuous life than the god fearing folk down the street… they get into heaven, yet I get to rot in Hell. Sorry for the run-on sentences, they’re kinda my trademark.

As you were people.

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[quote]The3toedSloth wrote:
ruglayer09052000 wrote:
I believe that we will be judged not on what our beliefs are, which are many and varied, right and or wrong, but on how we treated others in our lifetime. For me, it’s that simple. Keeps me from going insane most of the time. (and from killing some people)

Sorry to break into the argument here, but I had to respond to this…

Ruglayer, go ahead and kill all the people you want. You can repent just before you are executed, and you get into heaven no sweat, I hear. This is what has always baffled me. If I choose to live life as an atheist, yet, I live a more virtuous life than the god fearing folk down the street… they get into heaven, yet I get to rot in Hell. Sorry for the run-on sentences, they’re kinda my trademark.

As you were people.

|/ 3Toes

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That is why people are saved by “grace” and not by “works”. Much to my point earlier stating how amazed I am that everyone “knows” how God feels about something, to state that you get in by acts and works alone, or to state that there are acts that can never obtain forgiveness, would be to say that God’s grace is not sufficient. According to MY interpretation (again- interpretation) of the Bible, the only sin that is above forgiveness is not accepting Him (i.e. not ASKING for forgiveness).
Again- the only way I’ll “know” if I’m right is after I die. The same goes for everyone else…

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[quote]The3toedSloth wrote:
ruglayer09052000 wrote:
I believe that we will be judged not on what our beliefs are, which are many and varied, right and or wrong, but on how we treated others in our lifetime. For me, it’s that simple. Keeps me from going insane most of the time. (and from killing some people)

Sorry to break into the argument here, but I had to respond to this…

Ruglayer, go ahead and kill all the people you want. You can repent just before you are executed, and you get into heaven no sweat, I hear. This is what has always baffled me. If I choose to live life as an atheist, yet, I live a more virtuous life than the god fearing folk down the street… they get into heaven, yet I get to rot in Hell. Sorry for the run-on sentences, they’re kinda my trademark.

As you were people.

|/ 3Toes

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Because it’s not true. At least that’s what many believe. Half the point of the Protestant Reformation was rebelling against the idea that you sin with impunity and be saved by ‘true repentance’. That and the idea that they wanted a more indiviudal relationship with god that wasn’t so mediated by the clergy.

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[quote]The3toedSloth wrote:
ruglayer09052000 wrote:
I believe that we will be judged not on what our beliefs are, which are many and varied, right and or wrong, but on how we treated others in our lifetime. For me, it’s that simple. Keeps me from going insane most of the time. (and from killing some people)

Sorry to break into the argument here, but I had to respond to this…

Ruglayer, go ahead and kill all the people you want. You can repent just before you are executed, and you get into heaven no sweat, I hear. This is what has always baffled me. If I choose to live life as an atheist, yet, I live a more virtuous life than the god fearing folk down the street… they get into heaven, yet I get to rot in Hell. Sorry for the run-on sentences, they’re kinda my trademark.

As you were people.

|/ 3Toes

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The only flaw in your game is this, you have to mean it. Just saying you mean it, and pukeing out a few “God forgive me’s” isn’t going to fly.

No works of your own are going to save you if your only intent is the, “Golden Ticket” Wonka-boy.

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[quote]Retroactive wrote:
The3toedSloth wrote:
ruglayer09052000 wrote:
I believe that we will be judged not on what our beliefs are, which are many and varied, right and or wrong, but on how we treated others in our lifetime. For me, it’s that simple. Keeps me from going insane most of the time. (and from killing some people)

Sorry to break into the argument here, but I had to respond to this…

Ruglayer, go ahead and kill all the people you want. You can repent just before you are executed, and you get into heaven no sweat, I hear. This is what has always baffled me. If I choose to live life as an atheist, yet, I live a more virtuous life than the god fearing folk down the street… they get into heaven, yet I get to rot in Hell. Sorry for the run-on sentences, they’re kinda my trademark.

As you were people.

|/ 3Toes

The only flaw in your game is this, you have to mean it. Just saying you mean it, and pukeing out a few “God forgive me’s” isn’t going to fly.

No works of your own are going to save you if your only intent is the, “Golden Ticket” Wonka-boy.[/quote]

So, if you say, “Sorry I fucked all those nuns,” and MEAN it…then you go to heaven. But, if you have your fingers crossed, then you’re surrounded by fire and poking for eternity.

I’m sorry, but religion is so fucking stupid it’s beyond words.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
It just amazes me when people think that they can tell God’s intentions and what he would say.

Assuming that there is some great puller of strings up there (whether I believe it or not depends on what day you ask me), how the hell can anyone think they know what he would like?[/quote]

His word is written in the Bible and very clearly states his views on this topic. (Oh no not another Bible thread…I hope not).

Allow me to gently correct you: The Bible has been “interpreted” with various versions many times. However, the interpreters have taken great pains in achieving the original meaning of the ancient Hebrew and Greek scripture. Trust me on this, none of the versions, not one claim homosexuality is an acceptable practice. (No I really don’t want another Bible debate on homosexuality…but this is just soooo obvious).

I have heard this many many times but have never actually seen a contradiction. If you have one please post it as it would be the first one that I have ever seen.

Please give me the scripture on this particular passage. It has always been my view (and those who have actually dedicated their lives to interpretation) that this is not the case. With that stated certainly any verse can be twisted and they have been over and over again…

It’s true that scripture can be twisted. However, as I have debated (almost) endlessly on this very forum; Homosexuality is absolutley prohibited behavior according to the Bible. If you want to discuss this outside of the Bible then that is another matter.

I assume God loves Homosexuals. I think that is pretty clear in the Bible. He loves all of us sinners. However, there is more to the story…

There is no “Gay marriage.” Hence, how can it be wrong? It does not and never has existed.

I agree “pride goeth before the fall.” And I would not suggest that you try to rewrite “the ole’ Bible.”

Then you are the one mistaken. Jesus is not “about acceptance” when it comes to sin. He is about you, (mankind) accepting him as savior. He is also about forgiveness through repentance. See the story of the prostitute. He did not allow anyone to stone her. However, after each person walked away he cautioned her to “go and sin no more.”

However, I will say that Hollywoods version of God is all about acceptance. maybe that’s where you saw it…

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
I’m sorry, but religion is so fucking stupid it’s beyond words.

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I would hate to think of finding the err of my ways when it’s too late.
I may be wrong about a few things, but I would never suppose to belittle someone’s faith, no matter what their faith is on whether I believe it or not.
As far as your statement is concerned, to play Devil’s advocate, if YOU are right, I’m still not out much.
If I am right, enjoy Hell. I hear it’s hot there this time of year, so I don’t plan on visiting.

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Mediated Life wrote:
Blah, blah, blah…

Dude, I know you were being sarcastic. So was I. I guess my sarcasm was to subtle for you.

Your reply did not offer any substantial argument to by post, so I?m not going to address each one of your ridicules arguments.

Yea, you have to watch Lorisco and that subtle humor. It works better if you realize all his posts are a joke.

True to form drukenIrish26 can’t intelligently argue against any points made here, so he results to name calling once again. What a surprise. Why don’t you go back to your pint until you can come up with something more substantial to contribute to the discussion.
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hahahahhahah. Who’s been teaching you to be witty? Where have you been learning this from? Are you hanging around RJ too much again?

You are just too damn funny for this site. You do keep me entertained though.

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[quote]mica617 wrote:
harris447 wrote:
I’m sorry, but religion is so fucking stupid it’s beyond words.

I would hate to think of finding the err of my ways when it’s too late.
I may be wrong about a few things, but I would never suppose to belittle someone’s faith, no matter what their faith is on whether I believe it or not.
As far as your statement is concerned, to play Devil’s advocate, if YOU are right, I’m still not out much.
If I am right, enjoy Hell. I hear it’s hot there this time of year, so I don’t plan on visiting.[/quote]

You’re speaking of Pascal’s wager: if I believe in god, and he doesn’t exist, then no loss; if I don’t believe and he does, then I’m fucked.

That’s a coward’s belief system.

As far as belittling others’ faith…why not? Why is “faith” so off-limits? Just because someone nelieves in something doesn’t make it extraordinarily stupid.

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[quote]harris447 wrote:

As far as belittling others’ faith…why not? Why is “faith” so off-limits?
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Because it makes them sad and angry, and that’s NOT ALLOWED.

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[quote]EMT-FF Jordan wrote:
maybe if you read the Bible a little more…remember a story called Soddom and Gomorrah…He sent those fuckers in a flaming specatilve of fire and brim stone. pretty sweet if you ask me. [/quote]

Sure…I also remember a story called Hansel and Gretel, and another about Little Red Riding Hood.

Now explain to me what fairy tales have to do with a discussion about the lives of men and women??

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[quote]harris447 wrote:
mica617 wrote:
harris447 wrote:
I’m sorry, but religion is so fucking stupid it’s beyond words.

I would hate to think of finding the err of my ways when it’s too late.
I may be wrong about a few things, but I would never suppose to belittle someone’s faith, no matter what their faith is on whether I believe it or not.
As far as your statement is concerned, to play Devil’s advocate, if YOU are right, I’m still not out much.
If I am right, enjoy Hell. I hear it’s hot there this time of year, so I don’t plan on visiting.

You’re speaking of Pascal’s wager: if I believe in god, and he doesn’t exist, then no loss; if I don’t believe and he does, then I’m fucked.

That’s a coward’s belief system.

As far as belittling others’ faith…why not? Why is “faith” so off-limits? Just because someone nelieves in something doesn’t make it extraordinarily stupid.
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Then there’s also the problem of believing in a god just so he won’t be mad at you. I’m sure he’ll really appeciate that.

Oh, yeah…and you also need to hope you pick the right god. Because I’m sure Jupiter is gonna be real pissed to find out you’ve been expressing allegiance to the christian god.

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[quote]Boscobarbell wrote:

Oh, yeah…and you also need to hope you pick the right god. Because I’m sure Jupiter is gonna be real pissed to find out you’ve been expressing allegiance to the christian god.[/quote]

I’m planning on worshipping multiple Gods from opposing religions. Hopefully after my death I’ll get to watch them duke it out over my immortal soul. That is going to RULE!

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[quote]lothario1132 wrote:
Gay marriage is a thing of love, and therefore a thing of my father… because we all know that “God is love”. Y’all read my book, right? I know there’s a couple of different printings and whatnot, but that part was pretty clear. God is LOVE.

Lorisco wrote:
Pedophiles say the same thing about marriage between an adult and a child. Using your "logic"we must then conclude that that would be “love” as well and acceptable.

Idiot!
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Hey fool, don’t blame ME for what your silly-ass book says! LOL I think that the bible is a crock, but at least I’m man enough to admit it.

You are the stereotypical christian goofball. Take what you want from the bible and leave the rest. Like the creationists say that the bible is the exact word of God, except for those parts of the old testament which go against how they want to live their lives.

Oh! But wait… the old testament is trumped by the new one, remember? Yeah, jesus came and made the world all right and everything…

So that means that Leviticus and the story of S+G is null and void now too. Can’t have it both ways, Nabisco… was Jesus the messiah or not? If so, then you have some SERIOUS self-examination ahead of you. I imagine that an open-hearted guy like Jesus would be quite a bit disappointed with you right now.

PS I’m not really Jesus… don’t ask me to heal your herpes.

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[quote]lothario1132 wrote:

Hey fool, don’t blame ME for what your silly-ass book says! [/quote]

You always seem to have tolerance for just about every other thing that a human being can do, create or believe in. However, once again, no tolerance for others belief systems when it comes to God.

Man enough? Man enough to spout off on a message board? What you are doing is basically ignorant.

And you are the sterotypical God hater.

[quote]Take what you want from the bible and leave the rest. Like the creationists say that the bible is the exact word of God, except for those parts of the old testament which go against how they want to live their lives.

Oh! But wait… the old testament is trumped by the new one, remember? Yeah, jesus came and made the world all right and everything…[/quote]

More ignorance…more bigotry.

It’s astounding how confused and full of hate you are…

[quote]Can’t have it both ways, Nabisco… was Jesus the messiah or not? If so, then you have some SERIOUS self-examination ahead of you. I imagine that an open-hearted guy like Jesus would be quite a bit disappointed with you right now.

PS I’m not really Jesus… don’t ask me to heal your herpes.[/quote]

Do you feel better for this half hearted attempt at tearing down this mans faith? Could be that you have had the opposite effect!

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[quote]Lorisco wrote:
OllyB wrote:
Lorisco wrote:

  1. Being gay is not natural. Real Americans always reject unnatural things like eyeglasses, polyester, and air conditioning.

No, just unnatural or contrary to all major religions in the world and contrary to Darwin’s survival of the fittest theory.

If being gay were truly contrary to ‘survival of the fittest’ then there would be no gay people. So evidently they are ‘fittest’ for survival :slight_smile:

You are an idiot! Please explain how a lesbian can have a baby with no sperm and a gay get another guy pregnant? Prior to modern science, these couples would die with no offspring. That means boy and girls, that their homosexual “line” would stop with them. Thus through natural selection they would be weeded out. Duh!

So you are going to say; then why are there homo’s today if it was weeded out? Well, why are there people with any genetic condition? Downs syndrome for example? Because it’s a random generic abnormality. It just happens.
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The key flaw you have there is your reliance on there being no ‘modern science.’ There is, and gay people survive. Also, you seem to assume that a gay parent is needed for gay offspring. Which is wrong, right? So, since gay people are living, and surviving quite well, how are they contrary to ‘survival of the fittest’? Have you actually read Darwin, by the way?

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[quote]fatsensei wrote:
Ahhh liberals. This is probably a poor attitude but I really hope that on judgement day when you are trying to explain to God why being a homosexual is ok that I can be there. It’ll be a hoot.

FatSensei[/quote]

It’ll be a hoot because there is no judgement day and God has bigger fish to fry.

Try not to interpret Revelations literally. Not even early Christians did.

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[quote]gamarz wrote:
Lonnie123 wrote:
I’m reminded of my friend (raised by gay parents) who is now a successful musician and considering going to Harvard Law for his “real job”. Too bad he was raised by gays, he could have been somebody.

Lawyers can be closet homos too.

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Or even open ones.