[quote]Dan McVicker wrote:
Time for some levity.
Jesus is preaching to a mob which is about to stone an adulteress. He says to the group:
“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.”
Everyone in the crowd looks down, shamefaced. Suddenly, a rock comes flying out of the now silent mob. Jesus looks into the group and says:
“You know, ma, sometimes you really piss me off.”
Dan “And God separated the light from the dark. And did two loads of laundry.” McVicker[/quote]
ROFLMAO
[quote]The3toedSloth wrote:
mica617 wrote:
Change their ways, like change positions you mean? Because last time I heard, homosexuals do not suddenly change into hetrosexuals.
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Not according to ZEB. According to ZEB, all you gotta do is pray and God will change you back to good, clean, healthy heterosexuality. Just like He can make my blue eyes brown if i pray hard enough.
Please pray for me.
[quote]Tank53 wrote:
In reference to this particular passage, God said Himself that these cities would never be raised again. Being totally destroyed. And that’s what happened.
Its thought that perhaps the location of these cities is located beneth the Dead Sea. Whether its true or not cannot be determined due to the heavy salt content in this sea and the special diving equipment needed to get to the bottom. Also, neighboring countries have tight guidelines to where you can travel on that sea. This would however line up with scripture that stated that these cities would become unrecoverable. And so they are.
Another side note not to dismiss the christians or help the atheists anymore, but the story of S&G was not solely based on the fact of moral depravity, namely homosexuality. Its true that this was a sin, but it was a whole host of sins that caused the downfall of the city. It was so morally depraved that the angel of the Lord looked and could not find even 10 righteouse men living there. “For the sake of ten, I will not destroy it.” Gen 18:32b. In a sense, what else could the Lord do with these people? [/quote]
Um, archeologists have found a city which may corresond to Gomorrah or Sodom, they are excavating it, there is a burn layer and the city appears to have been rebuilt at a later time.
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
No, just unnatural or contrary to all major religions in the world and contrary to Darwin’s survival of the fittest theory.
Like legalizing drugs in Amsterdam has caused more addicts ? fact!
How about people wanting to marry little kids or children under 18yrs? It is already the request of the Gay lobby to reduce the age of statutory rape. So your sarcasm may be a little less sarcastic than you realize.
Good point. And though all those changes it has been maintained that marriage is between a man and woman.
The fact that some people do not treat the institution of marriage with respect doesn’t change the sacredness of marriage. It’s like burning the flag ? it doesn’t change what the flag stands for and just makes whoever is doing it look like idiots.
Nowhere has marriage ever been deemed only for procreation. But heterosexual marriage does support propagation of the species, and unions between same sex does not.
I have no stats on this, but what I have seen is gay parents with straight kids. Guess the kids learned from their parents of what NOT to do. Good job parents!
Marriage originated as a religious institution. If homo’s want to have a union, fine. Just don’t call it marriage.
There are many social studies that demonstrate a clear benefit from having both a male and female parent.
They wish! No, if gay marriage was allowed the mainstream society would still view it as wrong and deviant and gay’s would still not be accepted. No matter how hard you try few will ever accept Adam and Eve becoming Adam and Steve!
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To sum up Lorisco’s post: “I don’t know what I am talking about and I have no data to support my assertions but I believe something and everybody else should believe it, too. And all you fags who make me feel uncomfortable will go to Hell.”
[quote]JTS wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
You claim to have a better education, perhaps. I have a BS in Chem Eng. I have no interest in wasting excess time in school obtaining a higher degree.
You have a BS in Chemical Engineering? That’s impressive, i’m pursuing my BS in Chemical and Biological Engineering right now, and it’s very hard. Good job.
Here’s an article about homosexuality and the Bible.
The Bible Condemns Homosexuality
The organization Wisconsin Christians United (WCU) states that its primary mission is to educate people about the sin of homosexuality and the agenda of the homosexual movement. In the following selection the WCU argues that many scriptures in the Bible clearly and repeatedly denounce all homosexual acts. Because God condemns sexual acts other than those between married, heterosexual couples, says the WCU, homosexual acts must be outlawed. If people capitulate to homosexuals in the name of “tolerance” and “diversity,” they put themselves and society in danger of being severely judged by God.
Source Database: Contemporary Issues Companion: Gays and Lesbians
Table of Contents: Further Readings | Source Citation
The Bible, Old Testament and New, has much to say about homosexual acts such as sodomy. The Bible is clear that God has declared such acts to be sin. For instance, God calls the homosexual acts committed by the men of Sodom “very grievous” (Gen. 18:20). He also calls those perverse sexual acts “filthy,” “wicked,” “ungodly,” and “unlawful” (II Peter 2:6-8). In the book of Jude, verse 7, God explains that the inhabitants of Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed for “fornication” with “strange flesh.” In this, God contrasts homosexual sex acts with sexual relations between one man and one woman in His created, holy institution of marriage where the two become “one flesh” (Gen. 2:24). God has forbidden and cursed all fornication, the joining of human beings as “one flesh” in a sexual union outside of marriage (I Cor. 6:9-11). In I Corinthians 6:15-20, He condemns the sexual acts men commit with women prostitutes because the two become “one flesh” outside of marriage. Homosexual acts are especially evil in that they are “fornication … [with] strange flesh.”
Throughout the Holy Scriptures, the homosexual wickedness of Sodom is referred to and used as a sort of benchmark for evil. Of course, because the Scriptures use the phrase to know when speaking of that famous incident when a crowd of sodomites demanded to have sex with two men visitors staying in Sodom, some have tried to say the sodomites only wanted to get acquainted with those visitors, who were in reality angels! This is ridiculously poor biblical scholarship. The Hebrew verb yada, which translates to the English verb to know is used in several scriptural contexts, including to denote sexual intercourse as in Genesis 4:1: “And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain…” No, the sodomites attempting to break down Lot’s door did not simply want to shake hands with his visitors! That is as foolish as saying that Sodom was destroyed because its inhabitants did not care for the poor! That particular claim is founded in a distortion of Ezekiel 16:48-50. In this biblical passage, God’s people were being warned that they were acting worse than the people of Sodom had by the very fact that they were God’s chosen people and yet were committing abominable sins! The verses contain a short chronological account of how the citizens of Sodom, which was located in a “well watered” area, became lazy and selfish in prosperity. Eventually, they also became “haughty” and committed “abomination,” a reference to sodomy and other homosexual acts. At that point, God judged and destroyed the town. Yes, the citizens of Sodom were selfish, and that was wrong. However, Sodom was clearly destroyed by God because it had become a sodomite culture.
Still, some pro-homosexual champions claim the Bible does not condemn homosexual acts. Yet, it does so from cover to cover. The Bible condemns homosexual acts in the strongest of terms and even by describing the acts themselves, such as in Leviticus 18:22: “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.” Leviticus 18:22 and Leviticus 20:13 both graphically forbid sexual acts between two men. Romans 1:26 forbids sexual acts between two women, labeling “lesbianism” unnatural, saying that women who do those things “change” the natural for that which is “against nature.” So much for the “born that way” argument. Romans 1:27 condemns sexual acts between men and men. Verse twenty-seven begins with “And likewise also the men…” I Corinthians 6:9-11 is a warning against the deception that one can live in open rebellion to God’s law and still be a Christian headed for heaven. In that passage, sodomites are accurately and plainly called “abusers of themselves with mankind.” I Timothy 1:8-11 instructs on the lawful use of the law to punish persons who commit acts such as murder, perjury, and sodomy. Here homosexuals are graphically described as “them that defile themselves with mankind.” Both of those descriptive phrases, like all New Testament references to those guilty of committing sodomy, are faithfully translated from the word arsenokoites, the Greek word which describes homosexual sex acts. Greek was the language in which the New Testament was originally written. Of course, until recent times, no one attempted to claim that the Bible does not condemn and outlaw homosexual sex. That may be in part because one must play the part of a fool to do so (Rom. 1:22).
Misguided Justifications of Homosexuality
Consider for a moment a few more of the desperate excuses which have been concocted of late to justify sodomy and other homosexual acts. There are some who smugly overlook all the biblical condemnations and prohibitions of homosexual acts other than those occurring in the book of Leviticus where those acts are called “abomination.” They then state, “So what if God calls homosexual acts an abomination in the Bible; He also calls the eating of shellfish an ‘abomination.’” Of course, these people may or may not realize that the ban on eating of shellfish was part of the Mosaic dietary law which was set aside by God when Jesus Christ instituted a new covenant through His shed blood (Luke 22:20). They also may be ignorant of the fact that the word rendered abomination in the Old Testament comes from six different closely related Hebrew words. When the Bible says that eating shellfish is an abomination under the Mosaic dietary rules, abomination in that case is rendered from the Hebrew word sheqets, which means filthy. Under the Mosaic dietary laws, the Hebrews were to consider shellfish filthy, that is unclean, food. On the other hand, the Hebrew word which describes homosexual acts is toebah. Vine’s Complete Expository Dictionary of Old and New Testament Words (c.1984) accurately states that toebah “… defines something or someone as essentially unique in the sense of being ‘dangerous,’ ‘sinister,’ and ‘repulsive.’…” The Bible tells us that God judges sodomy to be toebah.
When it comes to those two verses in the book of Leviticus which condemn men sodomizing each other, there are some homosexual apologists who disingenuously state that those verses only condemn “cultic sexual acts between men” but that those verses do not condemn “loving gay relationships.” That particular argument goes up in smoke rather quickly in light of the rest of the Bible and also when one considers that the Leviticus prohibitions on homosexual acts are smack dab in the middle of prohibitions on other perverted sexual behavior such as bestiality and incest. If God is only condemning “cultic homosexual acts” in the Leviticus passages, then it would follow that He is also only condemning “cultic sex with animals” and “cultic incest.” Of course, there is no such thing as legitimate sexual relations between a person and an animal or between a parent and a child anymore than sexual relations between man and man or woman and woman are legitimate. God, in His Word, condemns all sexual activity other than that between a man and a woman in the holy estate of matrimony.
As already noted, God’s Word is crystal clear and extremely strong in the condemnation of homosexual acts. In Judges 19:22, homosexuals are referred to as “sons of Belial”; and in Judges 20:13, they are called “children of Belial.” The word Belial denotes individuals who are ungodly and wicked. That is exactly how God views those who engage in homosexual acts.
So it is true; from cover to cover, the Word of God condemns homosexual acts such as sodomy. This should not be surprising since those acts are a complete repudiation of God’s created order and represent a graphic rebellion against the Creator and Lawgiver of the universe. Homosexual acts go even beyond the sin which “is common to man” (I Cor. 10:13) and launch off into sin which is “unnatural” (Rom. 1:26-27). Consequently, homosexual acts are incredibly destructive to the individual who commits them (Rom. 1:27-28, Gal. 6:7) and to the nation which allows and condones them. With regard to the latter, God’s Word has made it clear He will judge and destroy a nation which allows homosexual acts.
It may be popular in today’s culture to defend and promote sexual perversion in the name of “tolerance” and “diversity”; but the truth is, God hates such acts and judges them severely. Homosexuals do not need, and must not be given, encouragement to continue in their destructive, sinful behavior. In accordance with the “Laws of Nature’s God” (Declaration of Independence), homosexuals acts must be recriminalized by the civil government (I Tim. 1:8-11, Rom. 13:4). Upholding true law in such a way is also showing true love. Ecclesiastes 8:11: “Because sentence against an evil work is not executed speedily, therefore the heart of the sons of men is fully set in them to do evil.” Homosexuals should be told that they, as all sinners, are lost and headed for hell unless they repent, believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, and are saved (Rom. 10:13). Christians must stand against the New Sodom which has sprung up in our midst. At the same time, we must share the gospel with the sodomites and pray that some will be born again and justified by faith in Jesus Christ (Jn. 3:3, I Cor. 6:11). Now you know what God’s revealed Word, the Bible, says about homosexual acts. For your own sake, I hope that you will not try to change the meaning of His words or add to them. Proverbs 30:6: “Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.”
Source Citation: “The Bible Condemns Homosexuality” by Wisconsin Christians United. Gays and Lesbians. Kate Burns, Ed. Contemporary Issues Companion Series. Greenhaven, 2005. Wisconsin Christians United, “What the Bible Really Says About Homosexuality,” www.wcuweb.com, 2004. Copyright ? 2004 by Wisconsin Christians United. Reproduced by permission.
Opposing Viewpoints Resource Center. Thomson Gale. 28 October 2005
http://galenet.galegroup.com/servlet/OVRC
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This is proof bigoted fucktards can make websites, too.
[quote]SWR-1222D wrote:
Why are people arguing in favor of gay marriage against the original post, line for line?
Does everyone see the sarcasm in it and realise that it’s realy a pro-gay marriage post?[/quote]
I do. I just enjoy toying with dumbasses.
[quote]AbunaiE wrote:
JTS wrote:
chinadoll wrote:
I have two aunties who have been together since before I was born. They should be able to be married. Their union has outlasted mostly everybody’s marriages, even longer than many people my age who are on their second, third marriages! Just because a couple is heterosexual doesn’t mean their relationship is more healthy than a gay couple’s.
So are you saying that just because homosexual marriages tend to last longer, that it is ok for them to be married?
Chinadoll in no way made any protestation as to whether or not gay marriages/unions/relationships have a higher propensity towards long-term resolution. She merely stated an example from her own cache of experience.
I have a degree both in religion as well as biology and I am gay. I do not have the need to wave flags or be proud as I feel that in doing so I would be treating myself as unique or different. This in itself would be enough of an assertion that I am not capable of living a life that would generally coincide with the typical norm. I choose not to live any differently because I do not see myself as being any different. I believe that I strive to live a life with the highest degree of integrity; the cahracterstic that I believe is intrinsic in all of us.
A few ideas to keep in mind when approaching (or reproaching) a topic of great debate:
Ethical and moral relativism. Learn about it.
Faith cannot be arugued. Hence its inherant power and meaning.
Nature is constantly in a state of flux; so is man and his interpretation of the world around him. Stasis is a figment of the imagination, or is for those too weak or incapable of change.
Scholarly and faith reading vary greatly in their interpretation (as well as their interpolation) of religious texts.
Although definitions are useful
they have two very distinct functions. Firstly, they define what is. Secondly, they define what isnt. Life has no such natural dichotomies; the palette of color in which we see the world is varied and rich.
I dont wish to argue. Instead, I will live life as a member of a progressive humanity and hope that I am not alone.
Regards,
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Bravest guy on this thread.
[quote]OllyB wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
No, just unnatural or contrary to all major religions in the world and contrary to Darwin’s survival of the fittest theory.
If being gay were truly contrary to ‘survival of the fittest’ then there would be no gay people. So evidently they are ‘fittest’ for survival 
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Doh! Don’t you hate it when someone uses logic?
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
chinadoll wrote:
I have two aunties who have been together since before I was born. They should be able to be married. Their union has outlasted mostly everybody’s marriages, even longer than many people my age who are on their second, third marriages! Just because a couple is heterosexual doesn’t mean their relationship is more healthy than a gay couple’s.
You look so hot I hate to disagree with you. But in the absence of some naked photos of you, I must speak the truth. While it may be anecdotally true for you that your Ants have a long standing relationship, all statistic’s demonstrate that homosexual relationships are less stable than herto. Individual experience really can’t and doesn’t prove the overall trend of things.
Damn, and you are so hot too!
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Lorisco, I am truly impressed that you were able to not only demonstrate your ignorance, but your sexism as well in just one fairly short post.
All statistics do not show gay relationships to be more unstable than hetero unions. Some do, and others do not. Please don’t use stats you pulled off of James Dobson’s website; that man is an authority on nothing save how to be an asshole.
And you seem to be keeping up quite fine with that.
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
lothario1132 wrote:
Gay marriage is a thing of love, and therefore a thing of my father… because we all know that “God is love”. Y’all read my book, right? I know there’s a couple of different printings and whatnot, but that part was pretty clear. God is LOVE.
Pedophiles say the same thing about marriage between an adult and a child. Using your "logic"we must then conclude that that would be “love” as well and acceptable.
Idiot!
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The difference being, denseboy, is that adults can give consent, whereas children cannot.
Yet another moronic statement from the Prince of Idiots.
[quote]Lorisco wrote:
OllyB wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
No, just unnatural or contrary to all major religions in the world and contrary to Darwin’s survival of the fittest theory.
If being gay were truly contrary to ‘survival of the fittest’ then there would be no gay people. So evidently they are ‘fittest’ for survival
You are an idiot! Please explain how a lesbian can have a baby with no sperm and a gay get another guy pregnant? Prior to modern science, these couples would die with no offspring. That means boy and girls, that their homosexual “line” would stop with them. Thus through natural selection they would be weeded out. Duh!
So you are going to say; then why are there homo’s today if it was weeded out? Well, why are there people with any genetic condition? Downs syndrome for example? Because it’s a random generic abnormality. It just happens.
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Goddam, Lorisco, you are one incredible fucktard. You can’t even keep your own logic straight. First they’re being bred out but still exist because of genetic abnormality. What the hell are you talking about? And just to help you out, being gay does not mean your reproductive organs do not function. They could still have babies if they wanted.
You are King of the Fucktards.
[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:
Lorisco wrote:
Mediated Life wrote:
Blah, blah, blah…
Dude, I know you were being sarcastic. So was I. I guess my sarcasm was to subtle for you.
Your reply did not offer any substantial argument to by post, so I?m not going to address each one of your ridicules arguments.
Yea, you have to watch Lorisco and that subtle humor. It works better if you realize all his posts are a joke.[/quote]
Or just that Lorisco is a joke.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
His word is written in the Bible and very clearly states his views on this topic. (Oh no not another Bible thread…I hope not).
Allow me to gently correct you: The Bible has been “interpreted” with various versions many times. However, the interpreters have taken great pains in achieving the original meaning of the ancient Hebrew and Greek scripture. Trust me on this, none of the versions, not one claim homosexuality is an acceptable practice. (No I really don’t want another Bible debate on homosexuality…but this is just soooo obvious).
I have heard this many many times but have never actually seen a contradiction. If you have one please post it as it would be the first one that I have ever seen.
If you recall, there is the section in Genesis I think that was used forever to defend slavery as being “OK with God”.
Please give me the scripture on this particular passage. It has always been my view (and those who have actually dedicated their lives to interpretation) that this is not the case. With that stated certainly any verse can be twisted and they have been over and over again…[/quote]
If you look close enough you can find anything you want.
It’s true that scripture can be twisted. However, as I have debated (almost) endlessly on this very forum; Homosexuality is absolutley prohibited behavior according to the Bible. If you want to discuss this outside of the Bible then that is another matter.
So why assume you know God hates gays,
I assume God loves Homosexuals. I think that is pretty clear in the Bible. He loves all of us sinners. However, there is more to the story…
There is no “Gay marriage.” Hence, how can it be wrong? It does not and never has existed.
Isn’t arrogance a sin? If not, then I’m going to rewrite the ole’ Bible and throw it in.
I agree “pride goeth before the fall.” And I would not suggest that you try to rewrite “the ole’ Bible.”
You fellas bamboozle me sometimes. I thought Jesus was all about acceptance.
Then you are the one mistaken. Jesus is not “about acceptance” when it comes to sin. He is about you, (mankind) accepting him as savior. He is also about forgiveness through repentance. See the story of the prostitute. He did not allow anyone to stone her. However, after each person walked away he cautioned her to “go and sin no more.”
However, I will say that Hollywoods version of God is all about acceptance. maybe that’s where you saw it…
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Slavery in the Old Testament:
Exodus 21:7: “And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.”
Leviticus 25:44-46: “Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and members of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. You can will them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.” (NIV)
Exodus 21:20-21 “And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money [property].”
Exodus 21:26-27 "And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye’s sake. And if he smite out his manservant’s tooth, or his maidservant’s tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth’s sake
Exodus 20:17"Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbor’s wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbor’s."
Deuteronomy 5:21"Neither shalt thou desire thy neighbor’s wife, neither shalt thou covet thy neighbor’s house, his field, or his manservant, or his maidservant, his ox, or his ass, or any thing that is thy neighbor’s.
Exodus 21:8: "If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters. If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish. And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.
Deuteronomy 21:10-14: “When thou goest forth to war against thine enemies, and the LORD thy God hath delivered them into thine hands, and thou hast taken them captive, And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her [i.e. rape her or engage in consensual sex], and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife. And it shall be, if thou have no delight in her, then thou shalt let her go whither she will; but thou shalt not sell her at all for money, thou shalt not make merchandise of her, because thou hast humbled her.”
Deuteronomy 20:14"But the women, and the little ones, and the cattle, and all that is in the city, even all the spoil thereof, shalt thou take unto thyself"
Numbers 31:28-47: “And levy a tribute unto the LORD of the men of war which went out to battle: one soul of five hundred, both of the persons, and of the beeves, and of the asses, and of the sheep: Take it of their half, and give it unto Eleazar the priest, for an heave offering of the LORD.And of the children of Israel’s half, thou shalt take one portion of fifty, of the persons, of the beeves, of the asses, and of the flocks, of all manner of beasts, and give them unto the Levites, which keep the charge of the tabernacle of the LORD.”
New Testament:
Matthew 18:25: “But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be made.”
Ephesians 6:5-9: “Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart; With good will doing service, as to the Lord, and not to men: Knowing that whatsoever good thing any man doeth, the same shall he receive of the Lord, whether he be bond or free. And, ye masters, do the same things unto them, forbearing threatening: knowing that your Master also is in heaven; neither is there respect of persons with him.”
Colossians 4:1: “Masters, give unto your servants that which is just and equal; knowing that ye also have a Master in heaven.”
1 Timothy 6:1-3 “Let as many servants as are under the yoke count their own masters worthy of all honor, that the name of God and his doctrine be not blasphemed. And they that have believing masters, let them not despise them, because they are brethren; but rather do them service, because they are faithful and beloved, partakers of the benefit. These things teach and exhort. If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness;”
I thought you knew the Bible, ZEB. And why don’t you quote all the places in the Bible that you think clearly and expressly condemn homosexuality. Just so I can pick you apart like the lying punk you are.
You are so full of crap, your eyes are baby poop green.
WMD
[quote]Stizzo wrote:
I’m pretty sure the biggest reason people get into, or get denied access to heaven is whether or not they were an asshole. Conservative or Liberal, assholes are assholes. And only a dick can fuck an asshole… ;)[/quote]
This is so awesome…
[quote]ZEB wrote:
orion wrote:
Please expalain how I am disregarding the word of God.
By not stoning your wife even though she wears stuff made out of two different threads. Sorry. She has to die. God says so.
Levitical law was in place in the Old Testament for a reason. Would you like to debate that now or on another thread? However, as to the Bible, Christ’s arrival removed the heavy burden of Levitical law and replaced it with faith in Christ. So you say: AHA then homosexuality is perfectly fine and dandy according to your very own words. We got you Zeb you no good rotten Christian #^# so and so.
Not so fast. Homosexuality is strictly forbidden in the New Testament in several passages.
For those of you who have missed earlier homosexual debates this is the part where my opponents(s) will attempt to refute the New Testament. Usually by clicking on the many Gay web sites which attempt to rationalize the act of homosexuality. It never ever works out for them as the facts are on my side.
I then refute each position one by one using the original Hebrew or Greek text (depending on the circumstance). It gets rather boring and lengthy and eventually you will stop viewing this thread. However, once begun I will continue until every last point has been discussed as there is no provision for allowing Homosexuality in either the Old or the New testament. So…you can practice homosexuality all you want, this is America! But, sorry you just can’t back it up with the Bible…
(yawn)
There is no right? That?s were you and I differ. There does not have to be a god-given right for me. People can do whatever the fuck they want to do. It is not up to you or me to grant or revoke any “right”. Gay people can marry as well as you can whorship a non-existing deity. It is all the same to me.
Oh darn it you have that all wrong…
You see it’s not about a “God given right.” If you noticed I never mentioned God when I stated that Homosexuals have never had the right to marry. It’s about society, and even though you hate it we do have laws. And while you like to think that you can do anything you want…you can’t…sorry.
Homosexuals not having the right to marry is only one moral law on the books there are many…
Okay?
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Dude, you don’t even know Greek or Hebrew. You are a liar. Facts are not on your side. Lies are on your side. That is why you are going to Hell.
[quote]harris447 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote:
http://www.narth.com/docs/maranatha.html
But, here’s the follow-up question: if homosexuals can be “changed”, could you?
The premise is that homosexuals can be changed because their “natural” orientation is indeed heterosexual. Is this true? I have no idea! However, many have changed, so how do you figure that one?
I reeeeeeally doubt any of them have changed. In fact, I’d bet my house on it.
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Well, there are documented cases where people have indeed left the practice of homosexuality. They have gone on to marriage, children and claim they are happy. Are you saying these people are lying? I guess that could be the case, but I think that would be quite a stretch trying to prove it. No?
[quote]ZEB wrote:
orion wrote:
okay, tell me where it says in the new testament that it is evil.
Evil? Did I say evil? It is simply sin. No different than any other sin.
Okay here we go (again):
Name Reference
vile affections Rom 1:26
without natural affection Rom 1:31
effeminate (homosexuals) 1 Cor 6:9
abusers of themselves with mankind 1Cor 6:9
inordinate affection Col 3:5
defile themselves with mankind 1 Tim
1:10
without natural affection 2 Tim 3:3
going after strange flesh Jude 1:7
And actually I think there are others. But these are the ones which I happen to have on hand. My advice is that you read them in their entirity yourself, don’t take my word for it. And in case you want to use the “interpretation” defense that won’t work as they have all been cross referenced with original text. Each word has also been traced back to it’s original meaning.
Oh…and the “there was no such word as homosexual back then” defense won’t work either. You know what they say: a rose by any other name…yada yada yada.
I did all this last summer when I was debating another on the same topic. It was quite interesting.
And yes, I do think I have the right to do whatever I want. I also live that way, a lot of people know it, noone has reported me to the authorities so far. You wouldn?t have either, because you?d know I would not harm you or your familiy.
It is comforting to know that you would not harm me or my family
So, what is your problem, with me disregarding Austrian law?
It is further comfort to know that you live in Austria…
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Oh, I get it now, you are going with mistranlations of the word qadesh in the Hebrew and malakoi arsenokoitai in the Greek. Not that most scholars on the matter agree that the words were mistranlated by the authors of the KJV. If ZEB says it’s so, then it is the Werd of Gawd.
Interestingly enough, there is evidence that the early church performed same-sex unions. We even have copies of the liturgies. It was in the 14th century that the church began its vicious campaign against homosexuals, which ZEB is now happy to continue.
ZEB is a fucktard.
WMD
[quote]harris447 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote:
http://www.narth.com/docs/maranatha.html
But, here’s the follow-up question: if homosexuals can be “changed”, could you?
The premise is that homosexuals can be changed because their “natural” orientation is indeed heterosexual. Is this true? I have no idea! However, many have changed, so how do you figure that one?
I reeeeeeally doubt any of them have changed. In fact, I’d bet my house on it.
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Your house is quite safe…
I also wanted to respond to the requests by people like ProfX, jlesk and a few others not to be lumped in with fundie Christian fucktards.
This is a reasonable request and will henceforth try to be aware of the issue.
[quote]ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote:
ZEB wrote:
harris447 wrote:
http://www.narth.com/docs/maranatha.html
But, here’s the follow-up question: if homosexuals can be “changed”, could you?
The premise is that homosexuals can be changed because their “natural” orientation is indeed heterosexual. Is this true? I have no idea! However, many have changed, so how do you figure that one?
I reeeeeeally doubt any of them have changed. In fact, I’d bet my house on it.
Well, there are documented cases where people have indeed left the practice of homosexuality. They have gone on to marriage, children and claim they are happy. Are you saying these people are lying? I guess that could be the case, but I think that would be quite a stretch trying to prove it. No?[/quote]
Documented by any impartial third parties? No. I would say that if anyone is willing to undergo the kind of treatment dished by these reconversion wanks, they are pretty self-hating, frightened people desperately seeking acceptance from boobs like you. So yeah, I’d bet they’re lying, even if they don’t know it.