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[quote]lothario1132 wrote:

I also make fun of grown men who believe in the tooth fairy. Grow the hell up, and I will stop. When you die, you die. Sorry. Pretending that you don’t have to die makes room for all kinds of freaky and weird illogical errors that will haunt you for the rest of your life.[/quote]

Now Christianity is compared to the tooth fairy. Your intolerance knows no bounds and that is quite pathetic for a man who claims compassion. Are you like other bigots who have compassion for just certain people? Seems so…

I’m sorry you have this hate for Christianity and apparently Christians as well. It seems that you have “spent” all of your compassion on your homosexual friends (who are also deserving by the way). Well that’s a shame because there is a big world out there. A world that stretches beyond your little group of friends. That world includes all sorts of people. Some who have ideas that are different than yours. When you can tolerate those ideas without name calling and castigation that will be a big…make that HUGE step in growing your own maturity level and tolerance!

You mean besides make fun of Christians?

You know the line that I could insert here. I won’t but you really should take a look in the mirror before you call others names.

And you do this by insulting the religion of some 2 billion people? Who is next on your hit list? Perhaps you better rethink your mission in life.

I used to think you were funny. However, the hate that you have spewed lately in your posts can’t be covered up by your attempts at humor. Seriously, open your mind and get some help with this Christian hating thing you have going on …it’s not healthy for you or anyone else! People are entitled to their beliefs. That you have to be reminded of this at your age is just not funny…sorry.

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[quote]WMD wrote:

Oh, I get it now, you are going with mistranlations of the word qadesh in the Hebrew and malakoi arsenokoitai in the Greek. Not that most scholars on the matter agree that the words were mistranlated by the authors of the KJV. If ZEB says it’s so, then it is the Werd of Gawd.

WMD[/quote]

LOL, so that’s why all the homophobes ‘swear’ by the King James version.

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[quote]WMD wrote:
ZEB wrote:
orion wrote:
ZEB wrote:

My point still stands. The WORD OF GOD IS THE WORD OF GOD. Or it isn?t. Which is it? Why can you disregard THE WORD OF GOD and others can?t?

Please expalain how I am disregarding the word of God.

Because you take something away from these men if you do not allow them to marry.

You have that backwards. There is no Homosexual right to marry currently and there never was. No one is “taking” anything away from anyone.

There is nothing that guarantees the right of heterosexuals to marry, either. What is your point?
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Two Heterosexuals are allowed to marry. Two Homosexuals are not allowed to marry. What is your point?

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[quote]WMD wrote:
alstan90 wrote:
bugs wrote:
Life & Free Will

Don’t fuck with mine and I wont fuck with yours.

As adults and citizens of the planet, it is our responsibity to protect the life and free will of those who cannot protect themselves (children, elderly).

As long as you are not fucking with the life and free will of another person, you can have sex with and love anyone or anything you want to.

If there is a God (and I hope there is), we were given life and free will and that’s it. Everything else is bullshit.

Lol ffs. I don’t have a problem with gay relationships. But if your that into god and free will them why didn’t he give men a penis and vagina? with the same for women? we wouldn’t need to sexes, horrible thought.

Why didn’t he give you the ability to spell and use logic? God works in mysterious ways.

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And your arrogance knows no bounds! Are you typical of your Godless class?

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[quote]WMD wrote:

It’s becaue the fundies DON’T believe in a just God. They believe in a God that looks, acts and thinks like they do. That and they want to cause an entire group of people near permanent harm because of what they believe.[/quote]

This might just be your funniest post. Not sure you have really spread it around on this thread.

Could it be that some people believe in God and then try to emulate this God? No that couldn’t be it because it’s not politically correct…Doggone it it’s just not contemporary enough…LOL.

And who is causing permanent harm? Denying marriage to a group of people who have never had marriage in any civilized society is wrong? Think again oh liberal wonder woman…

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[quote]WMD wrote:
harris447 wrote:
For the bible people out there:

Is there any tangible, archeaological evidence that Sodom and/or Gomorrah actually existed? And were then destroyed?

Yes, to both. However, whether or not that destruction was heaven sent is an entirely different question.

There are excavations at a site that may correspond to the Biblical Gomorrah and a burn layer has been found that indicates some sort of destruction. However it also appears to have been rebuilt shortly thereafter.[/quote]

Stay in denial wmd…

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[quote]WMD wrote:
lothario1132 wrote:
LOL She’s at it again! Duck everybody!!

:smiley:

Just funnin’ ya, WMD… you know I love ya girl. At least take it easy on ZEB… he’s old. :slight_smile:

Ah, you know me, man. I can’t help myself. Ignorance and sanctimony bring out the pit bull in me. ;p[/quote]

Arrogant know nothings bring out the pit bull in me…

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[quote]WMD wrote:

I thought you knew the Bible, ZEB. And why don’t you quote all the places in the Bible that you think clearly and expressly condemn homosexuality. Just so I can pick you apart like the lying punk you are.

You are so full of crap, your eyes are baby poop green.

WMD[/quote]

wmd one of the things about you which is not very attractive is that you immediately resort to name calling. I wonder why all the insecurity? Hey…not trying to pry. But it’s never about debate with you as much as it is your usual attempts at degrading others.

I put forth many verses which condemn the act of homosexuality (they are on this thread). Now why don’t you do us all a favor and post all of the verses in the Bible which promote the specific act of homosexuality…they are there right? NO guess not. The reason that there are verses which condemn the act and none which promote the act is because according to the Bible (that book which you seem to hate) homosexuality is wrong!

Again, that has nothing to do with what we allow in our current free society. But if you want to debate what is allowed in the Bible then you are sadly mistaken!

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
lothario1132 wrote:

I also make fun of grown men who believe in the tooth fairy. Grow the hell up, and I will stop. When you die, you die. Sorry. Pretending that you don’t have to die makes room for all kinds of freaky and weird illogical errors that will haunt you for the rest of your life.

Now Christianity is compared to the tooth fairy. Your intolerance knows no bounds and that is quite pathetic for a man who claims compassion. Are you like other bigots who have compassion for just certain people? Seems so…
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Oh, Zeb, Zeb, Zeb. Here we go again, huh? :wink:

It’s exceedingly bad form in debate to twist the definition of common terms. Just what part of Lothario’s statement do you find to be “intolerant?”

Dismissive? Sure. Disputatious of your beliefs? Yup. But intolerant? Nope.

He–like I–believe that your god and Jesus beliefs are merely myths, supported by neither logic, historical records, or any observable evidence.

Which doesn’t mean we are intolerant of your position…it just means we don’t believe that the facts are on your side, and that your arguments accordingly suffer.

Now, you wouldn’t be one of those thin-skinned believers who get all defensive just because someone has the audacity to question your beliefs, would you?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
WMD wrote:

I thought you knew the Bible, ZEB. And why don’t you quote all the places in the Bible that you think clearly and expressly condemn homosexuality. Just so I can pick you apart like the lying punk you are.

You are so full of crap, your eyes are baby poop green.

WMD

wmd one of the things about you which is not very attractive is that you immediately resort to name calling. I wonder why all the insecurity? Hey…not trying to pry. But it’s never about debate with you as much as it is your usual attempts at degrading others.

I put forth many verses which condemn the act of homosexuality (they are on this thread). Now why don’t you do us all a favor and post all of the verses in the Bible which promote the specific act of homosexuality…they are there right? NO guess not. The reason that there are verses which condemn the act and none which promote the act is because according to the Bible (that book which you seem to hate) homosexuality is wrong!

Again, that has nothing to do with what we allow in our current free society. But if you want to debate what is allowed in the Bible then you are sadly mistaken!

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I think the point she’s making–ah, hell, I won’t speak for her–the POINT is that just because some book written by people who hadn’t figured out intenal combustion or pennicillin says something, doesn’t mean we hav to listen to it.

You wanna believe in the bible? Great; more power to you. I don’t. A lot of people don’t. And we’re sick of having morality dictated to us by a WE DON’T BELIEVE IN.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
WMD wrote:

It’s becaue the fundies DON’T believe in a just God. They believe in a God that looks, acts and thinks like they do. That and they want to cause an entire group of people near permanent harm because of what they believe.

This might just be your funniest post. Not sure you have really spread it around on this thread.

Could it be that some people believe in God and then try to emulate this God? No that couldn’t be it because it’s not politically correct…Doggone it it’s just not contemporary enough…LOL.

And who is causing permanent harm? Denying marriage to a group of people who have never had marriage in any civilized society is wrong? Think again oh liberal wonder woman…

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I think the massive point you are missing, along with many who wear the title of “religious conservative” is that many use religion as a basis to uphold self rightousness. Many christians seem to think of themselves as “better than” others simply because of the belief in God. You seem to be one those people. I believe in God as well, however, I don’t believe it is my job to make sure that everyone else acts and thinks like me.

That falls off of you like water whenever you post on any subject you don’t agree with. Sodom and Gomorrah were destroyed, but not because homosexuals existed. That wasn’t even the message being portrayed. It was a lesson of IMMORALITY, not SEXUALITY. The difference is paramount.

To others in this thread, I don’t intend to get into a debate about the Bible. Not one person here has researched every aspect of it as that act takes a life time. No one here understands the universe. Not one person here knows its origin, not even those who believe in God. We believe that God made it, but nowhere does it show HOW he made it.

The believers in self choose to believe that there is no higher power. Fine.

Myself, I have come to notice that coincidence and life don’t appear to me to be random occurances. We meet people at certain points in our lives that determine who we will become, what we will do, and how we will do it. Whether you call it Karma or destiny, there seems to be more than simple blind happenings all colliding at once with no order or purpose. In my honest opinion, you would have to be blind to not see a function with a purpose. Life is driven…why? Life changes and grows and adapts…why? Just because? For no damn reason? If you choose to believe that, fine. I would think your life would be lacking in depth if you honestly believe that the faults of man are the epitome of being. But hey, like Bobby Brown, it’s your prerogative…do what’chu wanna do.

As far as gay people, let them be. What the fuck have they done as a group to anyone else but exist? Why does anyone care if they get “joined”, “married” or “tied the fuck up together with a piece of sewing thread just because they like the bright colors”? No one knows if it is biological or mental at its base. If that were proven, there would be no debate.

Zeb, you don’t speak for all Christians. Please don’t act as if you do. Zeb, you don’t speak for God. Please don’t act as if you do.

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[quote]WMD wrote:

Oh, I get it now, you are going with mistranlations of the word qadesh in the Hebrew and malakoi arsenokoitai in the Greek. Not that most scholars on the matter agree that the words were mistranlated by the authors of the KJV. If ZEB says it’s so, then it is the Werd of Gawd.[/quote]

“Qadesh” means “male temple prostitute.” Not a good thing in those days (not all that good right now either huh?) Certainly not the strongest word for homosexuality. I won’t even argue that it truly means homosexuality. However, ask yourself this: who hired male prostitutes? Was it females? Well could be, but I think not. The Bible once again speaks out against male on male sex. This version happened to be paid for.

The word “malakoi” means effeminate. Pro homosexual web sites will tell you that Malakoi simply means “soft.” Thereby dodging the literal meaning of the word…they think. However, it was used to describe men who had sexual relations with other men. Today a similar derogatory term might be “fairy” “limpwrist” “faggot.” In other words, it was indeed a nasty slang term which not unlike the three above had a double meaning.

The Greek word for homosexual was in fact arsenokoita. This means: “for one man to defile himself with another man.” Or, “one who lies with another male as he does with a female.”

All of this is pretty clear.

Keep in mind this has nothing to do with what “I think.” To deny the meaning of the words above is to attempt to refute the tens of thousands of Bible scholars who spent lifetimes studying ancient text. Every single credible interpretation of the Bible (based upon the original text) agrees relative to these words. I give them far more credence than the few pro homosexual web sites which are trying desperately to legitimize homosexuality through the Bible. As I have stated previously: it can’t be done! HOwever, it won’t stop them from trying…and trying and trying…

Besides the obvious proof from the early scripture words above, it would seem that there is a certain logic that you fail to grasp: The Bible speaks out against all sorts of “moral sin.” Heterosexual sex before marriage, orgies etc.Yet. for some reason you want desperately to hold to the illusion that for some strange reason homosexuality was perfectly fine. Why would sex between two of the same sex be promoted or even allowed at all especially outside of marriage? Keep in mind that this is the Bible. It does not have to be politically correct. Nor, can it be twisted to become politically correct!

By the way did you look up all of those verses that are pro homosexual behavior yet? I can find plenty that speak to the love between one man and one woman. If it was well accepted and promoted, as you imply then they should be in the Bible.

[quote]ZEB is a fucktard.

WMD[/quote]

Ouch. :wink:

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[quote]Boscobarbell wrote:
ZEB wrote:
lothario1132 wrote:

I also make fun of grown men who believe in the tooth fairy. Grow the hell up, and I will stop. When you die, you die. Sorry. Pretending that you don’t have to die makes room for all kinds of freaky and weird illogical errors that will haunt you for the rest of your life.

Now Christianity is compared to the tooth fairy. Your intolerance knows no bounds and that is quite pathetic for a man who claims compassion. Are you like other bigots who have compassion for just certain people? Seems so…

Oh, Zeb, Zeb, Zeb. Here we go again, huh? :wink:

It’s exceedingly bad form in debate to twist the definition of common terms. Just what part of Lothario’s statement do you find to be “intolerant?”

Dismissive? Sure. Disputatious of your beliefs? Yup. But intolerant? Nope.

He–like I–believe that your god and Jesus beliefs are merely myths, supported by neither logic, historical records, or any observable evidence.

Which doesn’t mean we are intolerant of your position…it just means we don’t believe that the facts are on your side, and that your arguments accordingly suffer.

Now, you wouldn’t be one of those thin-skinned believers who get all defensive just because someone has the audacity to question your beliefs, would you?[/quote]

Thin skinned? Me? SHUT UP! LOL…

Seriously, I think if some on this board started throwing around terms that were less than respectful to …let me think…how about homosexuals some would be upset. And furthermore they would have a right to be upset.

Christianity is a fairy tale might be equal to saying that homosexuals are__________fill in the blank. Get the idea? :slight_smile:

Good debate does not have to include name calling and demeaning others beliefs.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Zeb, you don’t speak for all Christians.[/quote]

Never stated that I did. And you know that.

Never said I did, simply quoting the scriptures. Have you ever done that?

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[quote]WMD wrote:
ZEB wrote:
orion wrote:

okay, tell me where it says in the new testament that it is evil.

Evil? Did I say evil? It is simply sin. No different than any other sin.

Okay here we go (again):

Name Reference
vile affections Rom 1:26
without natural affection Rom 1:31
effeminate (homosexuals) 1 Cor 6:9
abusers of themselves with mankind 1Cor 6:9
inordinate affection Col 3:5
defile themselves with mankind 1 Tim
1:10
without natural affection 2 Tim 3:3
going after strange flesh Jude 1:7

And actually I think there are others. But these are the ones which I happen to have on hand. My advice is that you read them in their entirity yourself, don’t take my word for it. And in case you want to use the “interpretation” defense that won’t work as they have all been cross referenced with original text. Each word has also been traced back to it’s original meaning.

Oh…and the “there was no such word as homosexual back then” defense won’t work either. You know what they say: a rose by any other name…yada yada yada.

I did all this last summer when I was debating another on the same topic. It was quite interesting.

And yes, I do think I have the right to do whatever I want. I also live that way, a lot of people know it, noone has reported me to the authorities so far. You wouldn?t have either, because you?d know I would not harm you or your familiy.

It is comforting to know that you would not harm me or my family :slight_smile:

So, what is your problem, with me disregarding Austrian law? :slight_smile:

It is further comfort to know that you live in Austria…

Oh, I get it now, you are going with mistranlations of the word qadesh in the Hebrew and malakoi arsenokoitai in the Greek. Not that most scholars on the matter agree that the words were mistranlated by the authors of the KJV. If ZEB says it’s so, then it is the Werd of Gawd.

Interestingly enough, there is evidence that the early church performed same-sex unions. We even have copies of the liturgies. It was in the 14th century that the church began its vicious campaign against homosexuals, which ZEB is now happy to continue.

ZEB is a fucktard.

WMD[/quote]

Living proof that to get really screwed up mentally, liberal views combined with an interest in Christianity are in order. Never mind that the new scholarship making the case for same sex marriages in the Middle Ages, has to READ THINGS INTO THE TEXTS THAT ARE NOT THERE! These brother making and sister making ceremonies still exist in the Eastern Church and are non sexual in nature. Never mind that Athanasius in his Incarnation of the Word was condemning homosexuality in the FOURTH century, and was quoting Paul to do it. Regardless of what you believe about homosexuality and morality, to believe that orthodox Christianity thought homosexuality was just fine until the fourteenth century is dumb as hell.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:

Zeb, you don’t speak for all Christians.

Never stated that I did. And you know that.

Zeb, you don’t speak for God.

Never said I did, simply quoting the scriptures. Have you ever done that?

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Yes, I have. Let me ask you a deeper question…how many people do you think you have “converted” on this forum with your posts? I seriously doubt even one. I don’t see much positive coming from even one “debate” you have had about the Bible. With that in mind, if there is no positive effect for your wonderful posts on the subject, one could conclude that you have had a negative influence on the perception of Christians by non-Christians. If that is the case, why do you do this? You aren’t acting like a preacher, whose goal it is to actually spread the word of God to those willing to listen. I know…my father was one for many years. If your actions are not having a positive influence in respects to the word of God…where do think that leaves you?

Do you think God even wants you speaking for him?

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[quote]bdyer wrote:

Living proof that to get really screwed up mentally, liberal views combined with an interest in Christianity are in order.[/quote]

Because “conservative christian” views are without fault?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
WMD wrote:
lothario1132 wrote:
LOL She’s at it again! Duck everybody!!

:smiley:

Just funnin’ ya, WMD… you know I love ya girl. At least take it easy on ZEB… he’s old. :slight_smile:

Ah, you know me, man. I can’t help myself. Ignorance and sanctimony bring out the pit bull in me. ;p

Arrogant know nothings bring out the pit bull in me…
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Bring it on, assmaster.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
WMD wrote:
ZEB wrote:
orion wrote:
ZEB wrote:

My point still stands. The WORD OF GOD IS THE WORD OF GOD. Or it isn?t. Which is it? Why can you disregard THE WORD OF GOD and others can?t?

Please expalain how I am disregarding the word of God.

Because you take something away from these men if you do not allow them to marry.

You have that backwards. There is no Homosexual right to marry currently and there never was. No one is “taking” anything away from anyone.

There is nothing that guarantees the right of heterosexuals to marry, either. What is your point?

Two Heterosexuals are allowed to marry. Two Homosexuals are not allowed to marry. What is your point?

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That you are a point-missing fucktard…

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
WMD wrote:

I thought you knew the Bible, ZEB. And why don’t you quote all the places in the Bible that you think clearly and expressly condemn homosexuality. Just so I can pick you apart like the lying punk you are.

You are so full of crap, your eyes are baby poop green.

WMD

wmd one of the things about you which is not very attractive is that you immediately resort to name calling. I wonder why all the insecurity? Hey…not trying to pry. But it’s never about debate with you as much as it is your usual attempts at degrading others.

I put forth many verses which condemn the act of homosexuality (they are on this thread). Now why don’t you do us all a favor and post all of the verses in the Bible which promote the specific act of homosexuality…they are there right? NO guess not. The reason that there are verses which condemn the act and none which promote the act is because according to the Bible (that book which you seem to hate) homosexuality is wrong!

Again, that has nothing to do with what we allow in our current free society. But if you want to debate what is allowed in the Bible then you are sadly mistaken!

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Later, when I have time, I’m will make you look quite stupid.