[quote]Cortes wrote:
magick62d wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
magick62d wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
The first two are SERMs the next two are dick hardeners and the last one is a nootropic. Pramiracetam
Or prami could be Pramipexole,which is what I use to control prolactin. Effective dosage is .25 for me,some dose higher. Caber is’nt stable in liquid form,Prami is.
Ah ok
Thanks.
How is that stuff working for you? Can you compare it to cabergoline in pill form?
I’m running prop/npp right now,and I like it better than caber. Much less expensive also.
I’ve been looking forward to hearing more about pramipexole. Would you mind sharing a bit of your experience? I’d be interested in hearing your current cycle dosages, length and injection frequency along with any past experience with prolactin issues.
Thanks for sharing, if there’s a cheaper alternative to caber out there I certainly do want to use it.
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I’m currently half way through a prop/npp cycle of 600mgs prop and 350mgs npp a week for 10 weeks. This is my first run with npp,having run several cycles with deca in the past,and I really think I prefer the npp. I get bloaty on deca regardless of my diet,but have’nt experienced that with npp. Strength is crazy,and the old joints feel great,but not as much water retention. I had some prolactin issues with deca,puffy nips and used caber and letro which worked well,but after researching prami I decided to try it on this cycle. It is a strong dopamine agonist with secretagogue or growth hormone releasing effects. Sold in presciption form as Mirapex for restless leg syndrome. I’m using .25mg an hour before bed,and sleeping like a rock 8 hours solid. Some people use it up to 1mg if lactating,but .25 to .5 works well for preventative use. I’ll prob use prami again on my next tren cycle. Maybe I’ll be able to sleep!
It’s been diagnosed by my doctor, however he feels it to be more of a cosmetic problem as opposed to something that he needs to take care of through use of his power.
[quote]magick62d wrote:
Cortes wrote:
magick62d wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
magick62d wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
The first two are SERMs the next two are dick hardeners and the last one is a nootropic. Pramiracetam
Or prami could be Pramipexole,which is what I use to control prolactin. Effective dosage is .25 for me,some dose higher. Caber is’nt stable in liquid form,Prami is.
Ah ok
Thanks.
How is that stuff working for you? Can you compare it to cabergoline in pill form?
I’m running prop/npp right now,and I like it better than caber. Much less expensive also.
I’ve been looking forward to hearing more about pramipexole. Would you mind sharing a bit of your experience? I’d be interested in hearing your current cycle dosages, length and injection frequency along with any past experience with prolactin issues.
Thanks for sharing, if there’s a cheaper alternative to caber out there I certainly do want to use it.
I’m currently half way through a prop/npp cycle of 600mgs prop and 350mgs npp a week for 10 weeks. This is my first run with npp,having run several cycles with deca in the past,and I really think I prefer the npp. I get bloaty on deca regardless of my diet,but have’nt experienced that with npp. Strength is crazy,and the old joints feel great,but not as much water retention. I had some prolactin issues with deca,puffy nips and used caber and letro which worked well,but after researching prami I decided to try it on this cycle. It is a strong dopamine agonist with secretagogue or growth hormone releasing effects. Sold in presciption form as Mirapex for restless leg syndrome. I’m using .25mg an hour before bed,and sleeping like a rock 8 hours solid. Some people use it up to 1mg if lactating,but .25 to .5 works well for preventative use. I’ll prob use prami again on my next tren cycle. Maybe I’ll be able to sleep![/quote]
Hey Magick, thanks a lot for that write-up. I’ve known about prami for a while and have been waiting to hear a few “case studies” before giving it a try myself. The effect upon sleep sounds like a wonderful side benefit, as well. I’m going to start looking around and maybe give this a try here soon.
I highly recommend against messing with prolactin drugs/dopamine antagonists unless you NEED to.
Aka, Deca or maybe Tren (even though Bill says thats BS)[/quote]
Well, more precisely, I say it’s BS that trenbolone raises prolactin.
Cabergoline can be pro-sexual without prolactin being abnormally elevated. If a person has a depressed libido on-cycle for reasons other than prolactin, cabergoline may still improve libido.
Which will lead to bro boards announcing that trenbolone raises prolactin as “proven” by cabergoline improving libido.
Hmm, does that mean that eating cornflakes raises prolactin? After all, a person eating cornflakes may have depressed libido and enjoy a boost with cabergoline.
Mr. T. was a 67-year-old white man with medical diagnoses of hypertension, complex-partial epilepsy, liver cancer (status-post resection), hemochromatosis, gastroesophageal reflux, sleep apnea, restless legs syndrome, and major depression.
… During an appointment, Mrs. T. voiced her concern about her husbandâ??s hypersexuality. She stated that for the past 3 to 4 years, Mr. T. had experienced a very high libido and was masturbating approximately 6 to 8 times a day. Mrs. T. explained that he would also wake her up in the middle of the night to satisfy his needs. In addition, he would excuse himself from the dinner table at home, in restaurants, or at the homes of friends to masturbate. The patient acknowledged these behaviors but was unable to explain them.
Upon careful inquiry, the patient affirmed that his symptoms began shortly after starting pramipexole for restless legs syndrome.
So as to resolve anything not clear, which there may have been, could you provide the quote from my post that is unclear or which you are interpreting as being “don’t use cabergoline if using trenbolone” ?
It’s entirely possible I wasn’t clear, but if so I don’t know where.
Yes, assuming there was nothing else that raised prolactin. And assuming your product really is trenbolone.
And if having a poor libido, seeing it improve with cabergoline or pramipexole does not prove that prolactin had been increased.
Incidentally, testosterone raises prolactin in a quite substantial fraction of cases but not in others. I mean actually-measured prolactin. Unfortunately I don’t still have the study and can’t easily find it again. The frequency and severity was not drastically different from Deca in this regard.
So it’s not safe to assume you need to use a dopamine agonist merely because they’re using tren or deca? OR, it’s not safe to assume you don’t/won’t need a dopamine agonist merely because you’re not using tren or deca?
EDIT: And you can’t be sure whether you need to use a dopamine agonist or not unless you get your prolactin levels checked via blood work? (other than, say, if you’re lactating… a sure sign of high prolactin, no?.)
Yes, lactating would be sound evidence so far as I know.
Plenty have used Deca before prolactin inhibitors were used with cycles and had no gyno problems and no worse recoveries than what is typical today. So most certainly one can’t know that one needs a prolactin inhibitor just because of using Deca.
Ditto with testosterone.
If wanting to do it, fine. If having done it and having liked the results, then very good.
Even with trenbolone. If you like it, great! (Well, other than that cabergoline has some heart valve issues, though I don’t know how serious or relevant to use such as in a few cycles per year; pramipexole does not have this effect.)
But if there is no other compound being used that is known to be able to cause gyno and the material is actually trenbolone, then no, one does not need a prolactin inhibitor to avoid gyno.
I don’t know. I haven’t found any evidence yet of medical use of, for example, amphetamine or use of a dopamine reuptake inhibitor for prolactinomas.
There is a study finding a dopamine reuptake inhibitor to reduce prolactin in rats.
On combining with cabergoline: It isn’t clear to me how more dopamine would accomplish anything that more cabergoline would not.
Pramipexole may be worth looking at as its half-life is shorter (8-12 hours vs 60-110 hours) thus perhaps allowing you to better tailor dose to these swings; and it may be safer as well.
Hard for me to predict. It’s capable of being oxidized, but I’ve never been good at (never specifically learned) predicting rates of oxidation, so I can’t tell if it would be rapid or too slow to be worried about.
However, why get it that way?
It would take a matter of minutes probably to find an online pharmacy that will sell the legitimate pharmaceutical.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
Hard for me to predict. It’s capable of being oxidized, but I’ve never been good at (never specifically learned) predicting rates of oxidation, so I can’t tell if it would be rapid or too slow to be worried about.
However, why get it that way?
It would take a matter of minutes probably to find an online pharmacy that will sell the legitimate pharmaceutical.[/quote]
I assumed (incorrectly I guess) that it was only available as a research chem or with a prescription, and the first site I found it on had it as a liquid.
There are many Internet pharmacies that conveniently hook one up with a prescription for a small fee (a few want outrageous fees, but just move on where that is the case.)
Restless leg syndrome is what I’d claim on the questionnaire form.
There are very likely also overseas Internet pharmacies that have this item and don’t bother with a prescription at all, but I haven’t checked.