[quote]JoeGood wrote:
Are the cycle lengths listed for prohormones appropriatte? Most of the bottles list a length of around 4 weeks. I’m looking at doing a cycle of either Havoc or Bold currently followed by nolva for PCT.
Also, most of the dosages in this thread are much higher than the “back of bottle” dosages. Is there any benefit to just using the “recommended dosages” that anyone has seen?
Thanks.[/quote]
I thought about doing the same thing. But after thinking about it, why would I do a PH if it still required me to get an illegal drug for PCT? I think that I would rather do for the gusto and get two illegal drugs…
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
elano wrote:
Dang. I don’t want to loose my being “natural” status over a few extra pounds. If I had access to some good test for a steady supply maybe I would say different. I just don’t want to be another average looking guy whos taken steroids and doesn’t look like it.
Or you could stop worrying about labels.[/quote]
Its not about the labels. Its about being able to say and know that every ounce of muscle you have built has been with your own body through hard work the way it was given to you despite the worst genetics.
Nobody can take that from you, ever. You can compare youself to anybody and have no shame. For instance, one of my buddies who is smaller than me now has already taken 3 cycles of steroids (dbol and havoc). I know that im naturally bigger than him through hard work.
Now if I had taken a cycle myself of some good test and blew up, I would not be able to compare myself because the drugs are not the same. At that point, it comes down to who had more money, or who had the better supply, or access to the better drugs, etc.
I am not dissing steroid users or saying that they did not work for their muscles. I do not care what others do to their bodies AT ALL so no flame.
been training constantly now for 2 years am now at a sticking point and can’t seem to get to another level was thinking of taking Methyl 1 Test or DBol because i can’t do jabs was only going to be doing it for a couple of cycles to get through the plateaux, any suggestions please.
age 36
5’8"
dbol will work… get nolvadex too and HCG if you can find it. you’ll need to jab that at the end of your cycle. brings natural test back to normal (you want that).
[quote]elano wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
elano wrote:
Dang. I don’t want to loose my being “natural” status over a few extra pounds. If I had access to some good test for a steady supply maybe I would say different. I just don’t want to be another average looking guy whos taken steroids and doesn’t look like it.
Or you could stop worrying about labels.
Its not about the labels. Its about being able to say and know that every ounce of muscle you have built has been with your own body through hard work the way it was given to you despite the worst genetics.
Nobody can take that from you, ever. You can compare youself to anybody and have no shame. For instance, one of my buddies who is smaller than me now has already taken 3 cycles of steroids (dbol and havoc). I know that im naturally bigger than him through hard work.
Now if I had taken a cycle myself of some good test and blew up, I would not be able to compare myself because the drugs are not the same. At that point, it comes down to who had more money, or who had the better supply, or access to the better drugs, etc.
I am not dissing steroid users or saying that they did not work for their muscles. I do not care what others do to their bodies AT ALL so no flame.[/quote]
I had someone suggest low doses of prohormones as an alternative to test for HRT, before they realized my problem was getting my fat intake down to below 20-15% of my calories.
But I was curious about it for the future.
Glad I read through this entire thread. Definitely has convinced me that I’m going to skip that idea.
[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
I thought about doing the same thing. But after thinking about it, why would I do a PH if it still required me to get an illegal drug for PCT? I think that I would rather do for the gusto and get two illegal drugs…[/quote]
been training constantly now for 2 years am now at a sticking point and can’t seem to get to another level was thinking of taking Methyl 1 Test or DBol because i can’t do jabs was only going to be doing it for a couple of cycles to get through the plateaux, any suggestions please.
age 36
5’8"[/quote]
if i had someone else jab for me that was capable and i could trust then yeah, it scares me just thinking if i did this myself and hit a nerve or artery.
Dbol i know all you get from that is water retention and lose more or less all the gains
iv used dbol… and its not just water retention. you grow big, lean rock hard muscles in mere weeks. I didnt even do PCT and i still ended up bigger than when i started.
Now that im on prohormones im almost the size that i was when i was using dbol… thats muscle memory for you.
if you took a shot of pregnyl and used nolva after a 6 week dbol only cycle. i recon you would keep a fair bit.
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
I you were going to do a cycle of cyclo-tren what cycle length would you guys think would be optimal?[/quote]
I would say do a bottle (30 days). I might start it off with the Bold 200 for 2 wks, both for 2 wks, and then finish up with the cyclo-tren for 2 wks. Then 40, 20, 20, 20 for tamoxifen.