Yeah you can pretty much stab your liver in the face and as long as you dont go past the point of no return it will come back almost good as new.
One of the more resilient organs
Experience with 13 Ethyl…anyone ??
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
the big problem i see with Epistane, is that since it’s an antiestrogen, you will have a rebound effect afterwards.[/quote]
This shouldnt be an issue if someone is running legit Nolva (not the OTC shit), correct?
[quote]The Manthony wrote:
Nothing like you would expect from dbol. But epistane certainly is the real deal. i would say the gains are very dry and consistent. Strength gains not really noticeable. Marked increase in vascularity while training but that could be the inclusion of Halodrol-50 into the mix… or so my ‘friend’ tells me.
From what i understand, the liver has some awesome regenerative abilities and can make quite a recovery if you give it a rest… could be wrong.[/quote]
I guess by dry you mean no water weight. I don’t get how it can make you bigger but not stronger. I know how to train for strength (constant weight) but usually when I get bigger I get stronger too…
To estovir…why no chance??
[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
The Manthony wrote:
Nothing like you would expect from dbol. But epistane certainly is the real deal. i would say the gains are very dry and consistent. Strength gains not really noticeable. Marked increase in vascularity while training but that could be the inclusion of Halodrol-50 into the mix… or so my ‘friend’ tells me.
From what i understand, the liver has some awesome regenerative abilities and can make quite a recovery if you give it a rest… could be wrong.
I guess by dry you mean no water weight. I don’t get how it can make you bigger but not stronger. I know how to train for strength (constant weight) but usually when I get bigger I get stronger too…
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Hey Phil, i would certainly say i have become stronger since i have been using epistane… i have used dbol before where strength gains were superhuman and felt really steroid-like. This doesn’t feel that way.
another thing thats worth mentioning is visually i look alot bigger at my resting size. Sleeves and shirts are all much tighter, shoulders are bolder looking… and when you are pumped you look like a bodybuilder should.
…you’ve got all this to look forward to if you use it.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
Yeah you can pretty much stab your liver in the face and as long as you dont go past the point of no return it will come back almost good as new.
One of the more resilient organs
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kind of like the penis. no matter how many times you beat it, it just keeps growing.
(cue Makavali wit)
[quote]The Manthony wrote:
kind of like the penis. no matter how many times you beat it, it just keeps growing.
(cue Makavali wit)[/quote]
They are both the body’s Phoenix’s.
perfect!
I’m just finishing early a m-drol cycle because I have been getting really terrible headaches. This is at the end of the 2nd week.
I’ll probably run a nolva at 20mg for the next (unless I start showing gyno signs) 2 weeks, along with my other PCT supps. Sound good?
Are the cycle lengths listed for prohormones appropriatte? Most of the bottles list a length of around 4 weeks. I’m looking at doing a cycle of either Havoc or Bold currently followed by nolva for PCT.
Also, most of the dosages in this thread are much higher than the “back of bottle” dosages. Is there any benefit to just using the “recommended dosages” that anyone has seen?
Thanks.
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
Are the cycle lengths listed for prohormones appropriatte? Most of the bottles list a length of around 4 weeks. I’m looking at doing a cycle of either Havoc or Bold currently followed by nolva for PCT.
Also, most of the dosages in this thread are much higher than the “back of bottle” dosages. Is there any benefit to just using the “recommended dosages” that anyone has seen?
Thanks.[/quote]
For some phs/ds there is no advantage to going over the reccomended amounts and time, (ie s-drol), but from what I have heard most people dose havoc higher than the reccomended because you don’t really see results otherwise.
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
most people dose havoc higher than the reccomended because you don’t really see results otherwise.[/quote]
Even then you only really start noticing it in the third week or so I’m told.
I don’t quite understand why people like Havoc so much. Why wouldn’t you go for something a bit stronger that you didn’t have to dose over the recommendation. It has few sides because it’s reletively weak. Like 3-AD apparently
hands down the most potent pH ive used is Hemadrol by EST … a Halodrol-50 clone. You really feel ON, especially if you increase your dosage… my gosh you notice it and so does everyone else. In the gym, people better get out of your way… and all your mates well raise eyebrows at how big you look.
Never tried s-drol. wanted to get some bold 200 but the compound is banned in australia and i dont feel wasting more shipping dollars.
Even though these are legal, I dont think you can legitimately claim natural after a cycle of ph can you?
[quote]elano wrote:
Even though these are legal, I dont think you can legitimately claim natural after a cycle of ph can you? [/quote]
afraid not my dear elano.
Dang. I don’t want to loose my being “natural” status over a few extra pounds. If I had access to some good test for a steady supply maybe I would say different. I just don’t want to be another average looking guy whos taken steroids and doesn’t look like it.
[quote]elano wrote:
Dang. I don’t want to loose my being “natural” status over a few extra pounds. If I had access to some good test for a steady supply maybe I would say different. I just don’t want to be another average looking guy whos taken steroids and doesn’t look like it.[/quote]
Or you could stop worrying about labels.
nah i agree with elano to an extent. i look buff but dont know if i look as large as a “roid-muncher”.
And ideally you want people to notice your size and go “whoa dude r u on something?”
I dont openly advertise my PH usage… people just think i work out alot.
Noone knows what “prohormones” are anyway.