[quote]k8thegr8 wrote:
any prohormones/ prohormone type products that are safe for WOMEN?
I would never mess with anything that would screw up my health or femininity, but if there’s something out there that could give me an anabolic edge (looking for mass, not fat loss) without sides, I would definitely be interested. Too good to be true, right?[/quote]
im pretty sure they would give you masculinizing sides unfortunately. Try Se7en 
is androsterone a safer choice if i was going to take a prohormone.
[quote]The Manthony wrote:
k8thegr8 wrote:
any prohormones/ prohormone type products that are safe for WOMEN?
I would never mess with anything that would screw up my health or femininity, but if there’s something out there that could give me an anabolic edge (looking for mass, not fat loss) without sides, I would definitely be interested. Too good to be true, right?
im pretty sure they would give you masculinizing sides unfortunately. Try Se7en ;)[/quote]
Creatine, HMB, Ribose.
[quote]wreckingB@ll wrote:
is androsterone a safer choice if i was going to take a prohormone.[/quote]
AFAIK that is banned, may as well get test.
There is a new 1AD formula that has been released. I just finished a 2 week cycle of it and liked it, although i would have rather recieved my test in the mail. I will be writing a review in a few weeks covering gains and gains kept. At this point however, strength went up significantly and mass increased as well (I’ve been getting a lot of those ‘you look bigger’ comments).
What is the formula of the new 1AD?
1-androstene-3beta-ol-17-one 100mg/cap
It is the precursor to the old 1AD from my understanding.
A precursor to a precursor?
Lol.
inner hulk, i got some halodrol-50 tabs from a GNC and they worked great… so?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
wreckingB@ll wrote:
is androsterone a safer choice if i was going to take a prohormone.
AFAIK that is banned, may as well get test.[/quote]
nope, that’s 11-OXO, or 3 AD or the new Biotest 11-T. it’s more of a cortisol modulation agent, but i do belive it could cause some issues for women.
[quote]ryanjm wrote:
I see what you guys are saying about the PH’s being less tested, and epistane being more unknown than AAS, but is it possible they could be safer? I mean, just because it hasn’t been tested as much, isn’t it possible the side effects could be less?
The guy that posted his results with Havoc had pretty impressive results and zero side effects. Is that just rare? Or perhaps Havoc is a better formulation of AAS that reduces side effects?
Is it possible that other PHs or synthetic steroids like Havoc work better and/or have less sides than AAS?
I’m ignorant here so feel free to say I’m completely wrong/stupid.[/quote]
Epistane was actually a antiestrogen (or AI, i can’t remember) designed in Japan for breast canser. it just turned out to have anabolic properties…Havoc is a version that happens to have a higher molecular weight, and apparently users have much better resuults with.
some of the current PH’s available in the states:
H-Drol, Promagnon 25 (also, this is the old Halodrol): 4-chloro-17a-methyl-androst-1, 4-diene-3-17b-diol…very similar to Oral Turanobol. dose is around 50-75 mg/day. is methylated…
S-Drol, M-Drol (this is the old Superdrol): 2a,17a di methyl etiocholan 3-one, 17b-ol…this is similar in effect to Anadrol 50. dose varies from 10-30 mg/day. is methylated…
P-Plex, P-Max (the old Phera-Plex): 17a-Methyl-etioallocholan-2-ene-17b-ol dose varies from 10-30 mg/day
is methylated…
Epistane, Havoc: 2a,3a-epithio-17a-methyl-5a-androstan-17b-ol Dose varies from 10-40 mg/day. is methylated…
Tren compounds-TrenA, MegaTRN, 13 Ehtyl (13-Ethyl-3-Methoxy-Gona-2,5(10)-Diene-17-One)
These all vary a lot, and may or not have anything to do with Tren (the steroid). some appear to be similar, whereas some appear to be more similar to the old 19-Nor prohormones…
11-OXO, 3-AD: adrenosterone Dose varies from 300-600 mg/day
Experience with 13 ethyl…anyone??
[quote]winkroar3 wrote:
Experience with 13 ethyl…anyone??[/quote]
nope sorry mate.
I do have my own question…
I have this friend who has been ignoring the recommended prohormone cycling periods and has been using halodrol-50 and epistane for about 2 months straight… he has noticed no sides whatsoever except for awesome muscle growth.
This friend will be discontinuing usage with the exception of a very low dosage of epistane (for anti-aromitization because he cant get nolva) while he smashes down milk thistle and tribulus to get things back to normal.
yes, i know he’s a douchebag for ignoring the “discontinue after 30 days” warning. My friend has not noticed any jaundice or signs of liver damage. What advice should i give him?
[quote]winkroar3 wrote:
Experience with 13 ethyl…anyone??[/quote]
i stacked this with a Haldrol 50 knockoff, and got excellent recomp gains. prolly a shift of 5 lbs in just over a week and a half. however, i couldn’t run on this stuff…my calves cramped up so bad, i could brely run a mile. i have a PT test coming up, so i distinued, and tranitioned into PCT, and will use it again in the winter, when my run isn’t so much of a concern.
[quote]The Manthony wrote:
winkroar3 wrote:
Experience with 13 ethyl…anyone??
nope sorry mate.
I do have my own question…
I have this friend who has been ignoring the recommended prohormone cycling periods and has been using halodrol-50 and epistane for about 2 months straight… he has noticed no sides whatsoever except for awesome muscle growth.
This friend will be discontinuing usage with the exception of a very low dosage of epistane (for anti-aromitization because he cant get nolva) while he smashes down milk thistle and tribulus to get things back to normal.
yes, i know he’s a douchebag for ignoring the “discontinue after 30 days” warning. My friend has not noticed any jaundice or signs of liver damage. What advice should i give him?[/quote]
well, since i’m guessing he didn’t get liver enzymes checked prior to his cycle, he’s not gonna know what he’s at now. still, it would be a good idea to get that checked out…also, BOTH of those products are methylated, so he’s gonna have some liver stress from stacking the two…
the big problem i see with Epistane, is that since it’s an antiestrogen, you will have a rebound effect afterwards. the other issue is that all the OTC stuff (6-OXO, Novadex XT) won’t help, since they’re AI’s as well. he really does need a SERM (reserch chemicals, anyone?)…the only onther thing that i think could help would be something like Alpha Male and ZMA
[quote]The Manthony wrote:
winkroar3 wrote:
Experience with 13 ethyl…anyone??
nope sorry mate.
I do have my own question…
I have this friend who has been ignoring the recommended prohormone cycling periods and has been using halodrol-50 and epistane for about 2 months straight… he has noticed no sides whatsoever except for awesome muscle growth.
This friend will be discontinuing usage with the exception of a very low dosage of epistane (for anti-aromitization because he cant get nolva) while he smashes down milk thistle and tribulus to get things back to normal.
yes, i know he’s a douchebag for ignoring the “discontinue after 30 days” warning. My friend has not noticed any jaundice or signs of liver damage. What advice should i give him?[/quote]
Did he get any decent gains off of the epistane?
I could be off on this one, but I think that any liver damage would be more of a long term thing and not a short term one.
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
he really does need a SERM[/quote]
Tamoxifen?
[quote]cycobushmaster wrote:
well, since i’m guessing he didn’t get liver enzymes checked prior to his cycle, he’s not gonna know what he’s at now. still, it would be a good idea to get that checked out…also, BOTH of those products are methylated, so he’s gonna have some liver stress from stacking the two…
the big problem i see with Epistane, is that since it’s an antiestrogen, you will have a rebound effect afterwards. the other issue is that all the OTC stuff (6-OXO, Novadex XT) won’t help, since they’re AI’s as well. he really does need a SERM (reserch chemicals, anyone?)…the only onther thing that i think could help would be something like Alpha Male and ZMA[/quote]
No he didnt get his liver checked. He considered the risk of using both and decided the risk was worth it, especially if he could cycle-off and keep off for a couple of months so his system can recover. His greatest concern is keeping his gains.
Ill have him get a blood test done post-cycle.
[quote]phil_leotardo wrote:
Did he get any decent gains off of the epistane?
I could be off on this one, but I think that any liver damage would be more of a long term thing and not a short term one.
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Nothing like you would expect from dbol. But epistane certainly is the real deal. i would say the gains are very dry and consistent. Strength gains not really noticeable. Marked increase in vascularity while training but that could be the inclusion of Halodrol-50 into the mix… or so my ‘friend’ tells me.
From what i understand, the liver has some awesome regenerative abilities and can make quite a recovery if you give it a rest… could be wrong.