Hey guys after a 4 week m-drol 20/20/20/20 cycle wahts the best for of PCT nolva or clomid? Nolva is cheaper and most people seem to use it but i have heard that it can cause delayed gyno with m-drol?
I just came across this stuff called Granite X. A guy I know says he really likes it. Here is the label facts:
2a, 17a-Dimethyl-17b-hydroxy-5a-androstan-3-one 20mg
Bioperine 5mg
Any idea what it actually is and if it might be effective? Thanks in advance for any help you might provide.
From the looks of the make-up… looks like you have another version of SuperDrol. And personally, I try to not use the term “effective” with PHs. Yes they can give you a few extra pounds, but the risk for those pounds seems greater.
BMC
I find it sad that the thread with the most posts and not the oldest thread by far is this one.
BMC
First Post, Hurrah!
I’m running my first cycle, and am using Turinabol at 40mg a day while i’m cutting to preserve muscle mass and hopefully get some strength out of it. I’m only one week in, and am planning on going 7 weeks. I’ve seen a lot of information that said its effect on the HPTA isn’t severe enough to require a PCT, but i’ve got some other people telling me otherwise.
I’ve seen some people say that tribulus terrestri is enough.
I’ve seen some people say that HCG is needed
But according to the original post, a 40/40/20 of Tamoxifen is what need?
thanks.
[quote]Bacchus416 wrote:
First Post, Hurrah!
I’m running my first cycle, and am using Turinabol at 40mg a day while i’m cutting to preserve muscle mass and hopefully get some strength out of it. I’m only one week in, and am planning on going 7 weeks. I’ve seen a lot of information that said its effect on the HPTA isn’t severe enough to require a PCT, but i’ve got some other people telling me otherwise.
I’ve seen some people say that tribulus terrestri is enough.
I’ve seen some people say that HCG is needed
But according to the original post, a 40/40/20 of Tamoxifen is what need?
thanks.
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40/40/20/20 tamoxifen.
Trib is not enough, a PCT is needed using an SERM, nothing else will do, HCG is the opposite of a PCT it causes suppression.
You can use torefemine or clomid as well, but tamoxifen aka nolvadex is recommended.
It is not over the counter, it is a perscription drug available at research sites.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
[quote]Bacchus416 wrote:
First Post, Hurrah!
I’m running my first cycle, and am using Turinabol at 40mg a day while i’m cutting to preserve muscle mass and hopefully get some strength out of it. I’m only one week in, and am planning on going 7 weeks. I’ve seen a lot of information that said its effect on the HPTA isn’t severe enough to require a PCT, but i’ve got some other people telling me otherwise.
I’ve seen some people say that tribulus terrestri is enough.
I’ve seen some people say that HCG is needed
But according to the original post, a 40/40/20 of Tamoxifen is what need?
thanks.
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40/40/20/20 tamoxifen.
Trib is not enough, a PCT is needed using an SERM, nothing else will do, HCG is the opposite of a PCT it causes suppression.
You can use torefemine or clomid as well, but tamoxifen aka nolvadex is recommended.
It is not over the counter, it is a perscription drug available at research sites.
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thanks for the advice. I have it (tamoxifen) to my disposal.
Since the ban I have not looked into PH’s. When I first started using PH’s was beacause I had moved to the States from Mexico and while I was there I did my fair share of AAS cycles. When the ban came shortly after I got to the States I lost interest. The PH’s I did were the now defunct MAG10 and 1 AD EC. I want to start a PH cycle but I do not know where to start.
I searched for superdrol but it seems it’s discontinued. Can anybody give me some advice on what’s available now? I’ve also looked into Halodrol, Granite X, Halotest 25, but I just do not know what would be best or even worth my time. I do not want to go back to AAS’s.
Thanks much.
I’ve ran a 4 week cycle of Epistane before and a 3 week cycle of Mdrol.
I have a bottle of Mdrol and Epistane left. I was thinking of doing a bridge like this
week 1: 20 mg mdrol
week 2: 20mg mdrol
week 3: 20 mg mdrol; then 10/20/30/30/30/30/30mg of epi
week 4: 30mg epi
week 5: 30mg epi
week6: 30mg epi
I have plenty of Milk Thistle and Hawthorne berry.
I have Torm/Nolva as well.
Thoughts? This bridge was recommended to me by someone well versed in PH’s.
anyone?
[quote]Solomon Grundy. wrote:
I’ve ran a 4 week cycle of Epistane before and a 3 week cycle of Mdrol.
I have a bottle of Mdrol and Epistane left. I was thinking of doing a bridge like this
week 1: 20 mg mdrol
week 2: 20mg mdrol
week 3: 20 mg mdrol; then 10/20/30/30/30/30/30mg of epi
week 4: 30mg epi
week 5: 30mg epi
week6: 30mg epi
I have plenty of Milk Thistle and Hawthorne berry.
I have Torm/Nolva as well.
Thoughts? This bridge was recommended to me by someone well versed in PH’s.
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how much PH have you done before? i wouldn’t recommend bridging to someone fairly new to chemical enhancement.
imo stop, pct, equivalent time off the junk, then hop back on with a new cycle.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]Solomon Grundy. wrote:
I’ve ran a 4 week cycle of Epistane before and a 3 week cycle of Mdrol.
I have a bottle of Mdrol and Epistane left. I was thinking of doing a bridge like this
week 1: 20 mg mdrol
week 2: 20mg mdrol
week 3: 20 mg mdrol; then 10/20/30/30/30/30/30mg of epi
week 4: 30mg epi
week 5: 30mg epi
week6: 30mg epi
I have plenty of Milk Thistle and Hawthorne berry.
I have Torm/Nolva as well.
Thoughts? This bridge was recommended to me by someone well versed in PH’s.
[/quote]
how much PH have you done before? i wouldn’t recommend bridging to someone fairly new to chemical enhancement.
imo stop, pct, equivalent time off the junk, then hop back on with a new cycle.[/quote]
Agreed.
Bridging PHs is stupid, they are fast acting orals that produce neither estrogen nor DHT.
You can run on them, but not well.
Bridging is for real steroids. And even then, I dont agree with it.
They are perfect for short little blast cycles, use them as such, you can make pretty nice gains.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
[quote]Makavali wrote:
[quote]Solomon Grundy. wrote:
I’ve ran a 4 week cycle of Epistane before and a 3 week cycle of Mdrol.
I have a bottle of Mdrol and Epistane left. I was thinking of doing a bridge like this
week 1: 20 mg mdrol
week 2: 20mg mdrol
week 3: 20 mg mdrol; then 10/20/30/30/30/30/30mg of epi
week 4: 30mg epi
week 5: 30mg epi
week6: 30mg epi
I have plenty of Milk Thistle and Hawthorne berry.
I have Torm/Nolva as well.
Thoughts? This bridge was recommended to me by someone well versed in PH’s.
[/quote]
how much PH have you done before? i wouldn’t recommend bridging to someone fairly new to chemical enhancement.
imo stop, pct, equivalent time off the junk, then hop back on with a new cycle.[/quote]
Agreed.
Bridging PHs is stupid, they are fast acting orals that produce neither estrogen nor DHT.
You can run on them, but not well.
Bridging is for real steroids. And even then, I dont agree with it.
They are perfect for short little blast cycles, use them as such, you can make pretty nice gains.
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So what would you suggest?
Don’t bother bridging them and run them straight? If i kept it 4 weeks.
I wanted to do a bridge because I could use both bottles.
Was it you Westclock that said in another thread that the toxicity of methyls is a bit exaggerated and you’ll be fine as long as its less than a 6 week run?
Oh and maybe i should have been more clear. I’ve run epi once and run mdrol twice. I’ve found that 20mg of Mdrol is where i get the best results with no sides as when i tried a week at 30mg i ran into being very tired.
[quote]Solomon Grundy. wrote:
Oh and maybe i should have been more clear. I’ve run epi once and run mdrol twice. I’ve found that 20mg of Mdrol is where i get the best results with no sides as when i tried a week at 30mg i ran into being very tired.
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Yes, your likely tired because the 30mg was shutting you down faster, the faster your test shuts down the faster you run out of estrogen and DHT (made from test).
At which point you hit the lethargy, and the sexual dysfunction and all around shit.
The drug doesn’t hurt you, the lack of test hurts you.
The toxicity isnt what Im worried about, your better to run the drug at high doses for short peroids of time.
You put on some nice muscle then bounce back and do it agian.
If you bridge you run longer cycles at lower doses, put on less muscle, shut yourself down harder, and take longer to bounce back with fewer gains to show for it.
Its just not as effective a usage. Higher doses, shorter runs.
4 weeks min, 6 weeks tops.
6 Weeks is fine for a run, but dont try to run high doses, then bridge with low doses, then high again or anything.
Just run straight high doses the whole 4-6 weeks. Then PCT.
Ok
I’ll run 20mg mdrol & 30mg epi the whole time for 4 weeks. This sounds alright? Thanks for your time WestClock.
I’ve completed 3 weeks of my tbol cycle at 40g/day, while cutting. I’m definitely happy with the results. I’m stronger, leaner and get awesome pumps when i work out.
However, i’ve been bloody exhausted. This whole long weekend, i slept over 12hours a day. Now, i’ve read about this happening - and i’ve seen suggestions that say to change the timing of the doses. As turanibol half life is 16hrs, i’m taking it at 7am and again at 7pm. What kind of changes may effect this feeling? Or should I lower the dose?
My goal isn’t to make strength gains, but to keep as much muscle mass as possible during the cutting.
[quote]Bacchus416 wrote:
I’ve completed 3 weeks of my tbol cycle at 40g/day, while cutting. I’m definitely happy with the results. I’m stronger, leaner and get awesome pumps when i work out.
However, i’ve been bloody exhausted. This whole long weekend, i slept over 12hours a day. Now, i’ve read about this happening - and i’ve seen suggestions that say to change the timing of the doses. As turanibol half life is 16hrs, i’m taking it at 7am and again at 7pm. What kind of changes may effect this feeling? Or should I lower the dose?
My goal isn’t to make strength gains, but to keep as much muscle mass as possible during the cutting.[/quote]
I would suspect a combination of factors.
First of all, since your cutting, your clearly eating less, but due to the drug, you are lifting harder.
Combine this with falling testosterone rates, as the drug is not infact testosterone, it is an artificial androgen, it does not produce estrogen or DHT and can not replace the testosterone’s effects either.
This leads to lethargy, aka tired, sleepy, etc.
Your running on low energy and food to begin with and your test levels are dropping due to suppression from the drug.
I would take your dose in the morning and before you workout, instead of at night, not only is it more effective that way, but it should cause slightly less suppression.
Just take some stimulants and push through it, your cycle isnt much longer if its already been 3 weeks, I expect.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
I would suspect a combination of factors.
First of all, since your cutting, your clearly eating less, but due to the drug, you are lifting harder.
Combine this with falling testosterone rates, as the drug is not infact testosterone, it is an artificial androgen, it does not produce estrogen or DHT and can not replace the testosterone’s effects either.
This leads to lethargy, aka tired, sleepy, etc.
Your running on low energy and food to begin with and your test levels are dropping due to suppression from the drug.
I would take your dose in the morning and before you workout, instead of at night, not only is it more effective that way, but it should cause slightly less suppression.
Just take some stimulants and push through it, your cycle isnt much longer if its already been 3 weeks, I expect.
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I figured the lack of fuel, when i’m pushing harder had a big part to do with it.
I should have mentioned that I work out after work, at about 7:30. So, i already am taking my dose morning/pre-WO
That’s what i’ve been doing (stims when needed). I have no problem pushing through the workouts - its the 8.5 hours a day at my desk that is painful as F*ck.
and yeah, another 4 weeks
Thanks man
Alright so I’m new to all this, but i’ve been lifting for 2 years now. My friend runs a nutrition store that just got in new PH’s called s-roid and h-roid, the h-roid is 25mg per pill and the s-roid, is 10mg. Technically I’m supposed to take 2 s-roids a day, and one h-roid, but he has me doing 3 a day. Is this shit gonna murder me? The s-roid is a form of superdrol and the h-roid in halodrol. I believe