I will start an epistane cycle next week, and I will use tamoxifen citrate afterwards. I may be splitting hairs here, but what is the optimal way to time the dosages of these chemicals?
i have a bottle of superdrol that exp 1/08. Is it worth taking?
I’ve read on a couple of different forums that including 4ad into cycles is beneficial for a better overall sense of well-being (less lethargy, better sex drive, better concentration).
#1- is this true?
#2- do certain manufacturers have a better-quality product than others? I’ve seen, for example, ads for both capsules and sublingual, but don’t know if one delivery system is any better than another.
Thanks in advance
I just wanted to get thoughts on the guno stack. I’m starting furaguno, oxyguno and hemaguno. I am asking this on this thread because I have been a strict aas user and have been unable to get anything in almost a year now. I did a cycle of haladrol-50 that I bought six months ago that was expired and used novedex xt as my pct.
I am new to the whole ph thing, I’m reconsidering the mentioned stack. I was intending to follow the recommended dosages, but I see early on that there is a mention that 200mg orastan-a (furaguno) is equal to 50mg oral winstrol. Should I get more or not even risk it. I weigh 288 and will be taking liver armor and using either clomid or novedex xt again as my pct. Any thoughts would be very appreciated.
thegynorhino-
if I am correct, furaguno is non-methyl, but the other two products are methylated. Is this correct?
Also, what kind of prices are you finding for these products? And how much product will you need for the cycle you’re thinking of running? I am personally interested in the furaguno product (or perhaps a similar product) since its non-methylated so it may stack fairly well. I was thinking of a Havoc/Furaguno stack as a cutting cycle.
[quote]downintucson wrote:
thegynorhino-
if I am correct, furaguno is non-methyl, but the other two products are methylated. Is this correct?
Also, what kind of prices are you finding for these products? And how much product will you need for the cycle you’re thinking of running? I am personally interested in the furaguno product (or perhaps a similar product) since its non-methylated so it may stack fairly well. I was thinking of a Havoc/Furaguno stack as a cutting cycle.[/quote]
I actually got all three off of ebay, beleive it or not, around $30 each. I have one bottle of each, but in order to take eight furaguno a day, I would need two more bottles. I am not sure if this is the right thing to do or not.
I read before I bought them that hemaguno and oxyguno can be hepatoxic and only increases these effects when a dose over the recommended amount is taken. However, other websites have stated that these suggested servings are based on a man 175lbs, I’m 100 over that, which another reason why I wonder if I should take more. I’ve taken oral winstrol before to shed weight, but I am thinking that mixed with the hemaguno and oxyguno and bumping my calories to around 4000, I should be able to put on some decent size, then a couple months after my pct, take another cycle of furaguno to shed the weight. I’m used to the real deal, where I know what to take and how much and for how long. This is just annoying.
One other thing, I read a whole blog a couple months back about a guy who took just hemaguno in 2007, it said repeatedly that a cycle of anything over 30 days is almost 700% as likely to result in liver failure, o that’s why I’m not exceeding more than a 30 day cycle, even if it is not true, the thoughts are already in my head.
I’ve seen furaguno going for about $20 per bottle. These are expired bottles, but from what I’ve read the expired bottles are still good. I don’t know this for sure, I’m just relaying the consensus of what I’ve read. So, that would add $40 to your cycle cost.
I think, if you’re running all three products, to just go with the dosing protocol on the bottle. I haven’t read much about adjusting dosages because of bodyweight. Perhaps one should, I just haven’t read much about it.
I may be foolish for writing this, but I doubt that a single 30-day cycle will destroy your liver. Especially if one lives a healthy lifestyle and has no pre-existing conditions that would make him particularly susceptible to liver damage. But I respect your wanting to err on the side of caution.
Take whatever I write with a grain of salt, though. My PH/DS experience consists of a hdrol-only cycle and a mdrol-only cycle.
[quote]downintucson wrote:
I’ve seen furaguno going for about $20 per bottle. These are expired bottles, but from what I’ve read the expired bottles are still good. I don’t know this for sure, I’m just relaying the consensus of what I’ve read. So, that would add $40 to your cycle cost.
I think, if you’re running all three products, to just go with the dosing protocol on the bottle. I haven’t read much about adjusting dosages because of bodyweight. Perhaps one should, I just haven’t read much about it.
I may be foolish for writing this, but I doubt that a single 30-day cycle will destroy your liver. Especially if one lives a healthy lifestyle and has no pre-existing conditions that would make him particularly susceptible to liver damage. But I respect your wanting to err on the side of caution.
Take whatever I write with a grain of salt, though. My PH/DS experience consists of a hdrol-only cycle and a mdrol-only cycle.[/quote]
You are right about the exp date, they are all expired, but I’ve taken plenty of other stuff like ripped fuel that was expired for much, much longer and still worked perfectly. I originally looked for furaguno/ furazabol on supplement sites, but once I got to checkout they all said discontinued, but you are right, on those sites it was around 20.
I think I’m fine as well to run the cycle, I do not think I will be suffering any type of liver failure. I was just pointing out what I’ve read elsewhere. I’m more worried about damage to natural hormone production and if this stuff is really worth taking when you weigh out the pros and cons. I already have a nice set of man boobs from cycle after cycle of dbol right out of college. Wish someone would have explained wet and dry gains to me back then. And I know that these are all opinions and advise, I should still talk to my doctor. But the truth is, he got laid off, no joke, otherwise I actually would. Best doctor I ever had, no judgemental bs at all. But thanks to the economy, he’s gone, I’m here and looking for any knowledge or opinions I can get. So thank you for the posts.
were you ever prescribed anything to combat the gyno? If so, was there any improvement?
a close buddy of mine has recently purchased both methyl 1-d and methyl masterdol from gnc. he is 19 years old and from what i read (i have no real knowledge on the subject yet) they are unsafe for his use. i have been trying to explain this to him without success. do you guys have any rock solid evidence i can take to him?
[quote]BigB51 wrote:
a close buddy of mine has recently purchased both methyl 1-d and methyl masterdol from gnc. he is 19 years old and from what i read (i have no real knowledge on the subject yet) they are unsafe for his use. i have been trying to explain this to him without success. do you guys have any rock solid evidence i can take to him?[/quote]
Unfortunately, telling a teenager that something is unhealthy usually doesn’t work very well. Usually.
Is this your friend’s first cycle? If he plans to run both products at the same time, he may be wasting his money because he won’t know which product is doing what.
And he may be wasting his money because he’s 19. A 19 year old should have all the muscle-building hormones swimming around in his bloodstream already. His money might be better spent on buying more steaks.
Sorry I couldn’t provide any medical evidence to help you.
[quote]downintucson wrote:
were you ever prescribed anything to combat the gyno? If so, was there any improvement?[/quote]
It’s not terrible, I do not have actual breasts, just pointy nipples, I trimmed all the way own to 185 at one point and I still had them. My doctor has suggested surgery, but it is over $5,000.00, and my insurance doesn’t cover it because it is cosmetic. I also have the fear that by continuing all of this it would just return. You know what did surprise me was that novedex xt actually did firm it up and look less noticable.
Did your libido tank while using Novedex XT? That’s the one side-effect I always read about. It appears that whatever is in the product, it works at reducing estrogen.
[quote]downintucson wrote:
@thegynorhino-
Did your libido tank while using Novedex XT? That’s the one side-effect I always read about. It appears that whatever is in the product, it works at reducing estrogen.[/quote]
Not completely, I’d say down abaout 25%, but I have a nice supply of little blue pills that overcome that in a few minutes. Viagra makes you feel like a damn pornstar, take it when your test is up, and it is downright amazing and scary at the same time. Your no longer there to have sex, you are there to destroy. Thats not just with novedex, it’s with everything I’ve ever taken. The only thing I had real problems with were deca, it shut me down almost immediately, whether I did it with test or dbol, it didn’t matter, it still put my **** in the dirt.
dick ??
[quote]winkroar3 wrote:
dick ??[/quote]
yes, DICK, I am new here and wasn’t sure if certain words are allowed, I’ve been kicked off of other message boards for less.
[quote]thegynorhino wrote:
downintucson wrote:
@thegynorhino-
Did your libido tank while using Novedex XT? That’s the one side-effect I always read about. It appears that whatever is in the product, it works at reducing estrogen.
Not completely, I’d say down abaout 25%, but I have a nice supply of little blue pills that overcome that in a few minutes. Viagra makes you feel like a damn pornstar, take it when your test is up, and it is downright amazing and scary at the same time. Your no longer there to have sex, you are there to destroy. Thats not just with novedex, it’s with everything I’ve ever taken. The only thing I had real problems with were deca, it shut me down almost immediately, whether I did it with test or dbol, it didn’t matter, it still put my **** in the dirt.[/quote]
You are of the few individuals who has stated that libido didn’t totally take a dive while on novedex xt. You musta got the dosage just right for you. Congrats.
First three, then four, I think it has to do more with my normal everyday drive, it far exceeds most guys, so when it goes down it is still higher than most, hoprfully, that makes sense.
Back to the SFR stack, I figured out how to use these together and for how long:
Week 1 through 3: 3 furaguno and 2 hemaguno a day
Week 4: 3 furaguno, 1 hemaguno and 2 oxyguno a day
Week 5 through 8: 3 furaguno and 3 oxyguno a day
If by Orastan-A you mean the Gaspari stuff it was shown on www.ergo-log.com to be bunk–it only contains small amounts of two very weak androgens, not what it claims. Likewise I would not use Novedex XT by Gaspari either, as it is based on bad science.
Do a search here and you should be able to find a post where I asked Mr. Roberts his thoughts on this product. PH/DS are still potentially powerful products and will cause shut down, thus you need REAL PCT–nolvadex or Clomid–not some over the counter stuff.
If you’re suseptible to gyno (as it sounds you are) I would have nolvadex on hand just in case–I don’t care what the company claims about it’s product not aromatizing, as a lot of these companies that produce PH/DS are not very honest in their labeling. However, Spectra Force’s products (the Gunos) DO test out to contain what they claim.
Crowbar
[quote]crowbar46 wrote:
If by Orastan-A you mean the Gaspari stuff it was shown on www.ergo-log.com to be bunk–it only contains small amounts of two very weak androgens, not what it claims. Likewise I would not use Novedex XT by Gaspari either, as it is based on bad science.
Do a search here and you should be able to find a post where I asked Mr. Roberts his thoughts on this product. PH/DS are still potentially powerful products and will cause shut down, thus you need REAL PCT–nolvadex or Clomid–not some over the counter stuff.
If you’re suseptible to gyno (as it sounds you are) I would have nolvadex on hand just in case–I don’t care what the company claims about it’s product not aromatizing, as a lot of these companies that produce PH/DS are not very honest in their labeling. However, Spectra Force’s products (the Gunos) DO test out to contain what they claim.
Crowbar[/quote]
Thank you!!! Plenty of clomid and nolva on hand, just thought with the good results I had with the novedex xt, combined with what I had heard about being a good pct, it might be the way to go for a change. But your insight is very appreciated and I will always side with caution in these matters, so thank you. I’m going to search that thread right now. Have a great night!!!