[quote]JoeGood wrote:
What blood pressure lowering supps do you guys recommend?[/quote]
On cycle I use a product that has Hawthorn berry and celery seed extract in it for BP.
I also need to stop drinking coffee though, which is damned tough 
I drink a lot of relatively weak tea instead.
has anyone here used reversitol either on cycle support or pct. ive seen on other sites that is supposed to be real good for pct but not sure if the guys over there are i force reps or not.
[quote]whotookmyname wrote:
All2ez wrote:
i just got everything in the mail (xtreme tren, nolva, supports, and test booster…6-0x0).
questions, ive loaded on the cycle support for a week now; is this sufficient and do you continue your suports in pct?
next question, is it worth taking the nolva and 6-oxo or just stick with the nolva and forget about wasting the test booster during pct?
Ditto on running cycle support throughout. That PH isn’t overly harsh on the liver, but you still want to protect the liver & lower your BP. Also though, you really should pre-load (and maintain) vit B6 (P5P) with this.
Those tren PHs change mfrs every 6 months or so lol, but if it still has the same formulation then it’s a progestin and you want to prevent prolactin-induced gyno. I don’t think there’s any need to run out and pick up caber, but I’d definitely take the P5P as a precaution.[/quote]
on the note of b6, what would be sufficient dose for this purpose? 100mg? 200mg?
[quote]All2ez wrote:
whotookmyname wrote:
All2ez wrote:
i just got everything in the mail (xtreme tren, nolva, supports, and test booster…6-0x0).
questions, ive loaded on the cycle support for a week now; is this sufficient and do you continue your suports in pct?
next question, is it worth taking the nolva and 6-oxo or just stick with the nolva and forget about wasting the test booster during pct?
Ditto on running cycle support throughout. That PH isn’t overly harsh on the liver, but you still want to protect the liver & lower your BP. Also though, you really should pre-load (and maintain) vit B6 (P5P) with this.
Those tren PHs change mfrs every 6 months or so lol, but if it still has the same formulation then it’s a progestin and you want to prevent prolactin-induced gyno. I don’t think there’s any need to run out and pick up caber, but I’d definitely take the P5P as a precaution.
on the note of b6, what would be sufficient dose for this purpose? 100mg? 200mg?
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Based on anecdotal evidence, I’d err on the higher side and go with 200mg of the active.
For B6 I take 250mg. I wouldn’t advise going much above this (500mg) because you get the side effects of the high dose.
What I have found to have the biggest actual effect on blood pressure is: 29g fish oil, life extension Super Ubiquinol CoQ10, 3 100mg asprin over the day, and some cardio each day.
I know everyone is tired of hearing bout everyones first cycle… I just need to know one thing… do you take an Noestrogen while you are on your cycle or after…(as a PCT)
[quote]XXXFrog wrote:
Noestrogen while you are on your cycle or after…(as a PCT)[/quote]
That’s a new one.
What is a Noestrogen? Is that a product name? What PH/DS are you using?
[quote]XXXFrog wrote:
I know everyone is tired of hearing bout everyones first cycle… I just need to know one thing… do you take an Noestrogen while you are on your cycle or after…(as a PCT)[/quote]
I hope you’re not talking about the PowerLabs product
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
XXXFrog wrote:
I know everyone is tired of hearing bout everyones first cycle… I just need to know one thing… do you take an Noestrogen while you are on your cycle or after…(as a PCT)
I hope you’re not talking about the PowerLabs product[/quote]
Yes it is the powerlabs product… I was just wondering before I spent my money?.. VERY VERY NEW to me…
[quote]XXXFrog wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
XXXFrog wrote:
I know everyone is tired of hearing bout everyones first cycle… I just need to know one thing… do you take an Noestrogen while you are on your cycle or after…(as a PCT)
I hope you’re not talking about the PowerLabs product
Yes it is the powerlabs product… I was just wondering before I spent my money?.. VERY VERY NEW to me… [/quote]
I’ve never heard of it being needed in a ph stack.
All that I think you need (for bare basics) would be:
PH (like pheraplex for example)
Fish Oil
Liv.52
Tamoxifen
I have heard that SUS 500 is good… Would I be wasting money… Or does it really work?.. I have heard that people are putting on like 15lbs in 6 to 8 weeks… Is there a place online i could get those that you listed?..
[quote]XXXFrog wrote:
I have heard that SUS 500 is good… Would I be wasting money… Or does it really work?.. I have heard that people are putting on like 15lbs in 6 to 8 weeks… Is there a place online i could get those that you listed?.. [/quote]
Hadn’t heard of that cpd until now, but it looks sketchy. Two progestins I think. Forget that, it’s too risky imo… they might not be particularly tough on the liver but that’s a case of ugly gyno just waiting to happen.
liv52, fish oil, coenzymeQ10 etc… that eigieinhamr mentioned should all be readily available at your local hippy shack. You can probably buy them online (US) at places like NutraPlanet & 1Fast400. Of course I should mention that the site sponsor, Biotest, offers a very pure Fish Oil product as well.
If you’re taking a large quantity of fish oil (and 29g, eigiein… wow!), the purer the better. You also want something without vitamin A… because multiple grams of A is definitely not good for you. Carlson is another good manufacturer if you don’t go with Biotest.
I think you guys are getting me mixed up with the question before mine… I was told to try out SUS 500 with an estrogen block and a pct… I just need to know if I need to take the estrogen blocker while Im on the SUS…??.. Or do I wait until I have finished the cycle…
Hi im thinking of trying propadrol after reading up on it not having many side affects. Im on citalopram for anxiety would this be safe or is it a really bad idea?
[quote]XXXFrog wrote:
I think you guys are getting me mixed up with the question before mine… I was told to try out SUS 500 with an estrogen block and a pct… I just need to know if I need to take the estrogen blocker while Im on the SUS…??.. Or do I wait until I have finished the cycle… [/quote]
Hi XXXFrog,
I followed the thread clearly, I believe. Here’s the way I see things -
SUS 500 seems to be aimed at grabbing marketshare from the so-called “tren PHs”, which probably aren’t going to be available much longer. Of course, with a name like “SUS 500” this brings forth suggestions of the very real Test product, sustanon, which is pretty sneaky
Eigein wisely advised you to go with a standard SERM (nolva… there is also clomid or torem) instead of the NoEstrogen product that you mentioned. Run this SERM at the END of your cycle. There is no aromatization from SUS 500 and you aren’t going to have estrogen issues during a cycle.
In your next post, you basically asked whether SUS 500 was worth it, and IMO it isn’t. I don’t have a high degree of comfort with most PH / designers, although there are some, such as epi and hdrol, that I think are probably better than others. Don’t get me wrong, I don’t doubt that one can put on a fair amount of muscle using most of these - I worry about side effects with poorly characterized compounds. A double progestin like SUS 500 isn’t something that I’d recommend.
Since it contains progestins, follow the advice we gave All2Ez wrt potential prolactin sides (read: milky gyno!) If you do run that cycle, preload and maintain a healthy dose of P5P (vit B6). It’s no guarantee, but it should probably help. This stuff PROBABLY isn’t strong enough to cause prolactin problems so if you do use it, don’t stress yourself, just be ready.
so im almost 2 weeks into the Havoc now, starting to see some of the side effects pile on, pretty much just the acne though. i got two nasty buggers on my tricep and a couple others on my forearm, im prone to acne anyway so at least i have prescription strength cream at home…still sucks, but on the plus side for what its worth i do feel like im seeing some kind of gains. someone at the gym even told me i was looking bigger which is cool because it was during a back day so i know it wasnt from chest pumps and shit.
Good to hear about the gains at least. What was your starting weight & what is your current weight? Have you noticed much increased strength?
If the acne gets really nasty you might consider cutting it down to a 3 week cycle. Some people don’t gain too much much during that last week anyway; for others it’s the complete opposite.
Either way, keep your calories high and lift hard throughout PCT!
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
so im almost 2 weeks into the Havoc now, starting to see some of the side effects pile on, pretty much just the acne though. i got two nasty buggers on my tricep and a couple others on my forearm, im prone to acne anyway so at least i have prescription strength cream at home…still sucks, but on the plus side for what its worth i do feel like im seeing some kind of gains. someone at the gym even told me i was looking bigger which is cool because it was during a back day so i know it wasnt from chest pumps and shit.[/quote]
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
so im almost 2 weeks into the Havoc now, starting to see some of the side effects pile on, pretty much just the acne though. i got two nasty buggers on my tricep and a couple others on my forearm, im prone to acne anyway so at least i have prescription strength cream at home…still sucks, but on the plus side for what its worth i do feel like im seeing some kind of gains. someone at the gym even told me i was looking bigger which is cool because it was during a back day so i know it wasnt from chest pumps and shit.[/quote]
An above average chest paired with big lats makes the chest look bigger as the lats spread your shoulders and fill in under the pec.
One of the easiest ways to appear to have a huge chest is to get huge lats, which are much easier to grow imo.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
so im almost 2 weeks into the Havoc now, starting to see some of the side effects pile on, pretty much just the acne though. i got two nasty buggers on my tricep and a couple others on my forearm, im prone to acne anyway so at least i have prescription strength cream at home…still sucks, but on the plus side for what its worth i do feel like im seeing some kind of gains. someone at the gym even told me i was looking bigger which is cool because it was during a back day so i know it wasnt from chest pumps and shit.[/quote]
I don’t get acne on cycle, but I always get it bad when I go onto tamoxifen
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
so im almost 2 weeks into the Havoc now, starting to see some of the side effects pile on, pretty much just the acne though. i got two nasty buggers on my tricep and a couple others on my forearm, im prone to acne anyway so at least i have prescription strength cream at home…still sucks, but on the plus side for what its worth i do feel like im seeing some kind of gains. someone at the gym even told me i was looking bigger which is cool because it was during a back day so i know it wasnt from chest pumps and shit.
I don’t get acne on cycle, but I always get it bad when I go onto tamoxifen :([/quote]
Thats not actually the tamoxifen, its from rapid hormone shifts when coming off gear and attempting to restart natural production.
Throws your system out of whack and you get some acne, its 100% normal, almost everyone gets some breakouts in the start of the PCT, even guys who get nothing on cycle.