Where did the pages go?
I found this on another site and I understand the importance of a SERM (Nolvadex/Clomid/Toremifene), but I’ve also seen I3C (indole-3-Carbinol) as a SERM? Any info on this.
I also found this. PM for link.
[quote]The following is an Over The counter PCT regimen for Havoc
Weeks 1 ? 2
POST Cycle Support 2 Capsules in AM, 2 Capsules in PM with or without food
Cycle Support 1 scoop per day OR Life Support 2 capsules AM 2 capsules PM with or without food
I3C (indole-3-Carbinol) 200mg 3 times per day
Weeks 3 ? 4
POST Cycle Support 2 Capsules in AM, 2 Capsules in PM
I3C (indole-3-Carbinol) 200mg 3 times per day
If you decide you would like to do 4 more weeks you can do it this way.
Weeks 5 - 8
6-OXO 6-OXO Week 5, 4 each day, Week 6, 2 each day, Week 7, 2 each day, Week 8, 1 every other day. All with last meal of the day.
Activate Xtreme 2 Capsules in AM, 2 Capsules in PM
The following is what you will need to run the first 4 weeks of PCT
1 jar Cycle Support or 1 bottle Life Support
1 bottle of POST Cycle Support
1 bottle 13C
The following is what you will need if you choose to do another 4 weeks of PCT
1 Bottle Activate Xtreme
1 Bottle 6 OXO
[quote]Chewie wrote:
I found this on another site and I understand the importance of a SERM (Nolvadex/Clomid/Toremifene), but I’ve also seen I3C (indole-3-Carbinol) as a SERM? Any info on this.
I also found this. PM for link.
The following is an Over The counter PCT regimen for Havoc
Weeks 1 ? 2
POST Cycle Support 2 Capsules in AM, 2 Capsules in PM with or without food
Cycle Support 1 scoop per day OR Life Support 2 capsules AM 2 capsules PM with or without food
I3C (indole-3-Carbinol) 200mg 3 times per day
Weeks 3 ? 4
POST Cycle Support 2 Capsules in AM, 2 Capsules in PM
I3C (indole-3-Carbinol) 200mg 3 times per day
If you decide you would like to do 4 more weeks you can do it this way.
Weeks 5 - 8
6-OXO 6-OXO Week 5, 4 each day, Week 6, 2 each day, Week 7, 2 each day, Week 8, 1 every other day. All with last meal of the day.
Activate Xtreme 2 Capsules in AM, 2 Capsules in PM
The following is what you will need to run the first 4 weeks of PCT
1 jar Cycle Support or 1 bottle Life Support
1 bottle of POST Cycle Support
1 bottle 13C
The following is what you will need if you choose to do another 4 weeks of PCT
1 Bottle Activate Xtreme
1 Bottle 6 OXO[/quote]
I suppose this is better than nothing, but not taking the cycle if you don’t have a prescription AI or SERM is better than that.
Epistane doesn’t aromatize, so using an AI (6oxo) post-cycle instead of a SERM isn’t an optimal strategy.
I’m wanting to try a nice little PH stack out. I’ve done 3 ph solo runs before, h-drol , m-drol , and xtreme tren. hdrol and xtreme tren were my favorite but xtreme tren was really harsh on my free test(yes i did run a pct).
For my first stack i was liking what i hear about Bold200 and throwing in my favorite H-Drol. I understand that Bold 200 is understand and can get pricy but that want be a problem.
I have heard two different ways in running this stack. The first is u take Bold 200 for 6-8 weeks and bridge to the H-drol.
And the second is taking the Bold and h-drol at the same time. which one of these would be the smartest?
[quote]Jamesb170 wrote:
I’m wanting to try a nice little PH stack out. I’ve done 3 ph solo runs before, h-drol , m-drol , and xtreme tren. hdrol and xtreme tren were my favorite but xtreme tren was really harsh on my free test(yes i did run a pct).
For my first stack i was liking what i hear about Bold200 and throwing in my favorite H-Drol. I understand that Bold 200 is understand and can get pricy but that want be a problem.
I have heard two different ways in running this stack. The first is u take Bold 200 for 6-8 weeks and bridge to the H-drol. And the second is taking the Bold and h-drol at the same time. which one of these would be the smartest?[/quote]
Do you have a source for a spare liver? They cost like $10k on the black market, that’s pretty expensive, no?
EDIT:
Inappropriate joke, disregard it.
What would i need a spare liver for. i know the hdrol is methyl, harsh on liver, but bold 200 isn’t.
You’re right, nevermind. I don’t know as much about PH’s and DS as I should. Wait for someone else to reply.
i cant’t tell if your being sarcastic but if i had to guess you are. i meant my last post to be more of a question than statement though. like thats my knowledge on the two products being methyl. i came on this forum to make sure i have the right idea so if i dont let me know man,
[quote]Jamesb170 wrote:
i cant’t tell if your being sarcastic but if i had to guess you are. i meant my last post to be more of a question than statement though. like thats my knowledge on the two products being methyl. i came on this forum to make sure i have the right idea so if i dont let me know man,[/quote]
No I wasn’t being sarcastic this time. Sorry for the confusion.
I don’t have enough experience with PH’s. Plenty of people here do, though, hang around for their answers.
It shouldn’t be a particularly harsh cycle. As to its effectiveness… well, depends on your goals.
You’d probably be best starting Bold first and adding in hte Hdrol a few weeks down the road and running them together. It isn’t very strong, but once it gets going, Bold will increase your appetite and hopefully enhance Hdrol somewhat. No reason to go over 8 weeks total.
Yes i wanted to run the cycle as followed
Bold 200- 600 mg ed (every forum i read said its underdosed) for weeks 1-6
H-drol- 50mg ed for weeks 3-6
Start pct day after ending cycle using clomid. i know kinda wierd i got clomid but no aas. but they cant get me what want they say test e and comes back 250 or they say eq come back deca.
Anyway this is how i wanted to run it, i just saw plenty of people running bold 200 for 6-8 weeks then switching over to h-drol for another 4. thank yall
[quote]Westclock wrote:
some people get really odd dreams from progestin and 19 nor based PH’s.
Never heard of anyone having issues from normal compounds.[/quote]
idk but i didnt get any weird dreams last night and i took my last 2 at 5pm and i took my last 2 around 4:30/5 today.
i dont have enough knowledge about PHs to form and indepth hypothesis as to why exactly but i know enough about my own body to attribute the dreams to the Havoc.
the dreams werent all that scary either but they were still unpleasent. its hard to explain, they were just weird. one of them was about potato skins.
If I understand correct superdrol and halodrol-50 both don’t bind well to the ar receptor and both don’t aromatise at all, so why is there so much about them shutting you down after only 3-4 weeks. To manthony: how long did you take epistane and halodrol. I would think that would be very mild on your test production. I’ve not been shut down from d-bol and high doses of var, a couple days after I stop and a little nolva and I’m fine. Sometimes not even the nolva.
And I have been shut down for long periods of test so I know what I feel like coming back to normal. Are PHs just very suppresive and harsh because they are one-off frankenstein drugs or what? Or are the negatives overblown?
[quote]Pretzel Logic wrote:
If I understand correct superdrol and halodrol-50 both don’t bind well to the ar receptor and both don’t aromatise at all, so why is there so much about them shutting you down after only 3-4 weeks. To manthony: how long did you take epistane and halodrol. I would think that would be very mild on your test production. I’ve not been shut down from d-bol and high doses of var, a couple days after I stop and a little nolva and I’m fine. Sometimes not even the nolva.
And I have been shut down for long periods of test so I know what I feel like coming back to normal. Are PHs just very suppresive and harsh because they are one-off frankenstein drugs or what? Or are the negatives overblown?[/quote]
Supression is overstated.
Although what most PH users call “shutdown” is really just supression.
no PH can act as HRT, so when your test levels become low enough you feel pretty crappy.
Makes sense depending on the phs properties, like if you only run certain steroids for awhile by themself you can feel shitty without a test base. It’s gotta be from higher use and longer use though, I might have to try some out for 3 weeks to see how it feels compared to traditional oral aas.
what would you think of stacking actual AAS with PHs? like, say you could only get 1 kind of AAS and maybe it wasnt a very strong AAS …would it be overkill on your liver to stack or would it be feasible?
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
what would you think of stacking actual AAS with PHs? like, say you could only get 1 kind of AAS and maybe it wasnt a very strong AAS …would it be overkill on your liver to stack or would it be feasible? [/quote]
Your Havoc is an “actual AAS”, not a PH. Milder than test, but a real AAS nonetheless as no conversion is reqd to yield the active product.
But yes, one can stack commercial oral products with injectable AAS compounds. It’s the same concept as taking dbol and test.
Liver problems are most likely to occur when taking two 17-methyl orals at the same time.
yes dido to the above statement. Many of your PH are designer steriods. The PH is usually one or so molecules away from being the steriod, once the PH goes through your body it will go through some reasctions and convert to the steriod, it isnt 100% conversions but better than nothing.
With that being said taking an injectable AAS with a PH would be like taking injectable AAS with a oral AAS, not as affective though.But wanting to take an oral AAS with a Methyl PH it has the potential to do some serious damage to the liver.
I have taken M1T instead of Dbol before as a kick start.
Works just fine at a high dosage.
M1t used to be like 5 bucks a gram or less