[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Chewie wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Chewie wrote:
I’ve read this whole thread and I am curious.
I have a bottle of Havoc and I have never done a PH or AAS cycle before. The problem lies with the nolva. I get random drug tested at work and I cannot afford to use a compound that requires a script. Are there any other legal alternatives or is there a way to get it past the piss test? Wizzinator? When the company does the full drug screening (11 panel, I think) does the Nolva show up?
I can get everything else squared away except for the script part.
Would it be a good idea to purchase the home drug tests and use them throughout?
Normal drug tests for “regular” jobs don’t even test for AAS. I’d say there is no chance at all that tamoxifen will show up on a test. They are mostly looking for narcotics and some controlled substances.
You could try the home drug test if you know it is exactly the same as the one the job uses. That will give you a definite answer. I highly doubt that you will even be able to find a home drug test that is going to pick up on tamoxifen though.
I’m confident when I say that you shouldn’t have anything to worry about, but I won’t be the one losing a job so yeaaa…
That’s the problem. I do not know what exactly they test for. I was told that if you are on a script drug, you need to keep the bottles.
They used to do hair and blood tests, which is even scarier.
I have a feeling they say to keep the bottles to see if people are abusing opiates like oxycotin or something. There are a few popular perscription drugs that they may test for but not Tamoxifen. Tamoxifen is not even a controlled substance. I’m not even sure you can actually get in trouble for having it (don’t quote me on that though). [/quote]
I have a feeling they say to keep the bottles to see if people are abusing opiates like oxycotin or something. There are a few popular perscription drugs that they may test for but not Tamoxifen. Tamoxifen is not even a controlled substance. I’m not even sure you can actually get in trouble for having it (don’t quote me on that though). [/quote]
Tamoxifen is a controlled substance, its illegal to use for human consumption without a script.
That said, most officers dont even know what it is, theres not really any way to prove you took it, and its really only prescribed to women for breast cancer.
I have a feeling they say to keep the bottles to see if people are abusing opiates like oxycotin or something. There are a few popular perscription drugs that they may test for but not Tamoxifen. Tamoxifen is not even a controlled substance. I’m not even sure you can actually get in trouble for having it (don’t quote me on that though).
Tamoxifen is a controlled substance, its illegal to use for human consumption without a script.
That said, most officers dont even know what it is, theres not really any way to prove you took it, and its really only prescribed to women for breast cancer.
Its not even on the radar of the authorities. [/quote]
Thanks for clearing that up. I could have sworn I read somewhere that the research chems were not controlled substatnces, but I’ll take your word for it, for now.
according to Iforce sales rep, Pheraplex is going to be added to schedule III this year. Bold 200 and tren clones are remaining on the market as the lab testing didn’t prove whatever the dea said it would. (converting to testosterone?)
another question:
I found nolva from a research lab as everyone has suggested. It is a liquid with a syringe next to it in the picture, but it is in a plastic bottle, not a “sterile” looking vial. Is it supposed to be injected or is it an oral suspension?
[quote]Westclock wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
Westclock wrote:
To be fair pheraplex clones are straight DMT.
which is a designer steroid that athletes used to use.
Its not even a gray area its in the same class as any common oral steroid.
Pheraplex is WAY too obviously an old school steroid, the FDA was never going to let it slide.
I stocked up before the dollar crashed, so I’m thankfully safe, but it’s a pity it’s a bit weak.
How do you like PP compared to Superdrol ?
Ive heard most still prefer superdrol to pheraplex, I cant say Ive ever used either, so Id love to hear some personal experience.[/quote]
Well p-plex is nice in that I get basically no sides whatsoever. But that has to be weighed against the lack of gains.
Superdrol is nice in that there is no way you could forget you are using it. Half way through the second week it’s pretty crazy. But the sides are pretty bad for me (headaches, back pump), so I need to be really fucking on my game with supports (super dosing fishoil, the taurine, liv52 etc…)
At the risk of sounding totally stupid, if methylated PH’s are so bad for your liver why not just stick to non-methylated PH’s? Are they that much less effective?
[quote]JoeGood wrote:
At the risk of sounding totally stupid, if methylated PH’s are so bad for your liver why not just stick to non-methylated PH’s? Are they that much less effective?[/quote]
Nothing wrong with that question.
Yes, it’s due to better results that the methyls are used. Most of the currently legal substances are 17-aa’s (and many of these are actual steroids, not merely PHs, btw). Methylation is simply a means for orals to avoid breakdown in the liver.
Non-methylated alternatives do exist. They include the transdermal, 1-T, which was discussed in another thread here recently. It is expensive on a per-cycle basis and is a new product so the jury is still out.
There are also some orals such as Furaguno (sp?) & a winnie PH that don’t have 17-methyls. Those definitely don’t provide the bulking potential of superdrol clones, epi though.
For many, this makes injectables a better decision. Greater results & less harm. If you do use methylated oral, you’d be wise to take some sort of liver support during cycle.
has anyone ever heard PH’s to fuck with your dreams? i know guys have started taking ZMA and getting weird dreams but last night i had about 10 dreams in a row, shit was pissing me off cause every 15 minutes or something id wake up from another dream and they were all mad random. i kinda dont even want to go to sleep tonight cause of them to be honest but im tired as a rock.
ill report back tomorrow i hope it was just a random ass one night thing.
apparently im not the first person to get fucked up dreams from taking a PH.
i was going to pop one right when i got home tonight from work but i dont think thats happening, im not going to take them past 5pm anymore. i think i took my last one at 3 or so today so hopefully i dont get them tonight.
the dreams are seriously fucked and i got a bunch this morning and after each one i didnt want to go back to sleep but couldnt even help it cause i was so tired. like i said before, i seriously dont want to go to sleep tonight.