Can havoc raise cholesterol levels?
My cholesterol skyrocketed after a cycle of havoc. Does havoc contribute to elevated cholesterol levels, or is it more likely from genetics and diet?
Androgens are known to alter the ratio of good cholesterol and bad cholesterol.
Diet and genetics will undoubtedly play a role in it as well.
Getting a blood test before, during, and after may be the only way to know for sure what exactly is having the biggest effect.
My LDL normally stays the same on cycle, but my HDL lowers. It goes back to normal a little while after the cycle.
Havoc is a very “comfrotable” compound.
Its not very dangerous, and very comfrotable.
I have recommended havoc to several of my buddies who dont want gear, but want a little boost.
Westclock,
I agree on your general assessment of Havoc, but I’d be wary of giving hvyrest this advice or for that matter, a green light on any PH/DS/AAS use. He seems to be all over the place in his 6 posts to date and I question his motives.
He wrote previously that he’s used Havoc a couple of times and got good results. Later, he asked if it was ripoff.
Then he mentioned that he’s on Lipitor for high cholesterol, and that he has a family history of cholesterol.
Now he asks if Havoc can raise cholesterol? What does he want us to say, that an oral, 17-aa is going to be beneficial to someone on cholesterol meds?
[quote]whotookmyname wrote:
Westclock,
I agree on your general assessment of Havoc, but I’d be wary of giving hvyrest this advice or for that matter, a green light on any PH/DS/AAS use. He seems to be all over the place in his 6 posts to date and I question his motives.
He wrote previously that he’s used Havoc a couple of times and got good results. Later, he asked if it was ripoff.
Then he mentioned that he’s on Lipitor for high cholesterol, and that he has a family history of cholesterol.
Now he asks if Havoc can raise cholesterol? What does he want us to say, that an oral, 17-aa is going to be beneficial to someone on cholesterol meds?[/quote]
Yeah but you have to factor in that hes going to do it anyways.
I always assume someone is going to ignore any advice not to use something and just do what they really want to do.
And therefor its better to just give them advice to minimize the risks.
I have outlined cycles for guys who are way too young before simply because they would pin whether I told them how to use properly or not, they might as well do it right.
Hell I have sold people AI’s and SERM’s at cost many many times, simply because they wouldn’t have it otherwise.
[quote]Westclock wrote:
whotookmyname wrote:
Westclock,
I agree on your general assessment of Havoc, but I’d be wary of giving hvyrest this advice or for that matter, a green light on any PH/DS/AAS use. He seems to be all over the place in his 6 posts to date and I question his motives.
He wrote previously that he’s used Havoc a couple of times and got good results. Later, he asked if it was ripoff.
Then he mentioned that he’s on Lipitor for high cholesterol, and that he has a family history of cholesterol.
Now he asks if Havoc can raise cholesterol? What does he want us to say, that an oral, 17-aa is going to be beneficial to someone on cholesterol meds?
Yeah but you have to factor in that hes going to do it anyways.
I always assume someone is going to ignore any advice not to use something and just do what they really want to do.
And therefor its better to just give them advice to minimize the risks.
I have outlined cycles for guys who are way too young before simply because they would pin whether I told them how to use properly or not, they might as well do it right.
Hell I have sold people AI’s and SERM’s at cost many many times, simply because they wouldn’t have it otherwise.[/quote]
You are blurring the lines between doing the right thing and taking the easy way out. It’s your business but don’t think that you are acting with more altruism than the people who have a different set of morals.
Truth is I have all but given up on lecturing people.
They have been told many times that its wrong, they are aware of that fact, that isnt going to stop them in my experience.
What Im doing is more like “justification” except I neither gain nor lose anything, and hence have limited motivation to do anything but act on my whims.
If I were selling the roids I would be very much responsible, but simply posting on an open board I bear no responsibility.
And honestly, the actual medical risk is low in this case.
so how long does Havoc take to feel the effects, not really how it makes you look but how it makes you feel. cause i took two today maybe 45 mins or so before my workout and i felt great even 10 mins after taking them.
No way to say for sure. It’s entirely possible that there are differences in each case. It is an oral steroid however so it’s possible that the boost you felt was from the Havoc, but unlikely, especially after only ten minutes.
You should feel strength improvements after a week or two.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
so how long does Havoc take to feel the effects, not really how it makes you look but how it makes you feel. cause i took two today maybe 45 mins or so before my workout and i felt great even 10 mins after taking them.[/quote]
Generally the effective dose is more like 40mg/day.
Thats 4 pills, 1 morn, 2 preworkout, and 1 at night.
Havoc is a relatively fast acting compound, like I said, its well designed.
Id say less than a week, its supposed to kick faster than most.
yeah i took two so far, i plan on taking 2 more tonight. and i guess ill just do it the way you described above after today.
and yeah in retrospect i dont think the feeling i got had much to do with the drug.
I’ve read this whole thread and I am curious.
I have a bottle of Havoc and I have never done a PH or AAS cycle before. The problem lies with the nolva. I get random drug tested at work and I cannot afford to use a compound that requires a script. Are there any other legal alternatives or is there a way to get it past the piss test? Wizzinator? When the company does the full drug screening (11 panel, I think) does the Nolva show up?
I can get everything else squared away except for the script part.
Would it be a good idea to purchase the home drug tests and use them throughout?
[quote]Chewie wrote:
I’ve read this whole thread and I am curious.
I have a bottle of Havoc and I have never done a PH or AAS cycle before. The problem lies with the nolva. I get random drug tested at work and I cannot afford to use a compound that requires a script. Are there any other legal alternatives or is there a way to get it past the piss test? Wizzinator? When the company does the full drug screening (11 panel, I think) does the Nolva show up?
I can get everything else squared away except for the script part.
Would it be a good idea to purchase the home drug tests and use them throughout?[/quote]
Normal drug tests for “regular” jobs don’t even test for AAS. I’d say there is no chance at all that tamoxifen will show up on a test. They are mostly looking for narcotics and some controlled substances.
You could try the home drug test if you know it is exactly the same as the one the job uses. That will give you a definite answer. I highly doubt that you will even be able to find a home drug test that is going to pick up on tamoxifen though.
I’m confident when I say that you shouldn’t have anything to worry about, but I won’t be the one losing a job so yeaaa…
I VERY much doubt that tamox would show up in a piss test.
An SERM would have metabolites, but they would not be looking for them, they share nothing in common with any recreational drug I can think of.
Yeah, BONEZ is absolutely correct; it is extremely unlikely that they will test you for SERMs.
And yes, there are those that avoid research chemical / prescription solutions to PCT and use 6-oxo etc… but that’s taking an unnecessary risk IMO.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Chewie wrote:
I’ve read this whole thread and I am curious.
I have a bottle of Havoc and I have never done a PH or AAS cycle before. The problem lies with the nolva. I get random drug tested at work and I cannot afford to use a compound that requires a script. Are there any other legal alternatives or is there a way to get it past the piss test? Wizzinator? When the company does the full drug screening (11 panel, I think) does the Nolva show up?
I can get everything else squared away except for the script part.
Would it be a good idea to purchase the home drug tests and use them throughout?
Normal drug tests for “regular” jobs don’t even test for AAS. I’d say there is no chance at all that tamoxifen will show up on a test. They are mostly looking for narcotics and some controlled substances.
You could try the home drug test if you know it is exactly the same as the one the job uses. That will give you a definite answer. I highly doubt that you will even be able to find a home drug test that is going to pick up on tamoxifen though.
I’m confident when I say that you shouldn’t have anything to worry about, but I won’t be the one losing a job so yeaaa… [/quote]
That’s the problem. I do not know what exactly they test for. I was told that if you are on a script drug, you need to keep the bottles.
They used to do hair and blood tests, which is even scarier.
[quote]whotookmyname wrote:
Yeah, BONEZ is absolutely correct; it is extremely unlikely that they will test you for SERMs.
And yes, there are those that avoid research chemical / prescription solutions to PCT and use 6-oxo etc… but that’s taking an unnecessary risk IMO.[/quote]
Finding a reliable source is the hard part.
Actually finding a reliable SERM source is pretty easy.
There are two companies I always use, and I buy there stuff for real steroid cycles, AI’s and such.
Honestly if you cant find a good research chem company you didnt spend more than a few seconds poking around on google.
[quote]Chewie wrote:
whotookmyname wrote:
Yeah, BONEZ is absolutely correct; it is extremely unlikely that they will test you for SERMs.
And yes, there are those that avoid research chemical / prescription solutions to PCT and use 6-oxo etc… but that’s taking an unnecessary risk IMO.
Finding a reliable source is the hard part. [/quote]
Google tamoxfen citrate, nolvadex, research chemicals
See what comes up.
[quote]Chewie wrote:
BONEZ217 wrote:
Chewie wrote:
I’ve read this whole thread and I am curious.
I have a bottle of Havoc and I have never done a PH or AAS cycle before. The problem lies with the nolva. I get random drug tested at work and I cannot afford to use a compound that requires a script. Are there any other legal alternatives or is there a way to get it past the piss test? Wizzinator? When the company does the full drug screening (11 panel, I think) does the Nolva show up?
I can get everything else squared away except for the script part.
Would it be a good idea to purchase the home drug tests and use them throughout?
Normal drug tests for “regular” jobs don’t even test for AAS. I’d say there is no chance at all that tamoxifen will show up on a test. They are mostly looking for narcotics and some controlled substances.
You could try the home drug test if you know it is exactly the same as the one the job uses. That will give you a definite answer. I highly doubt that you will even be able to find a home drug test that is going to pick up on tamoxifen though.
I’m confident when I say that you shouldn’t have anything to worry about, but I won’t be the one losing a job so yeaaa…
That’s the problem. I do not know what exactly they test for. I was told that if you are on a script drug, you need to keep the bottles.
They used to do hair and blood tests, which is even scarier. [/quote]
I have a feeling they say to keep the bottles to see if people are abusing opiates like oxycotin or something. There are a few popular perscription drugs that they may test for but not Tamoxifen. Tamoxifen is not even a controlled substance. I’m not even sure you can actually get in trouble for having it (don’t quote me on that though).