[quote]JohnyBoy wrote:
What about test-boosters?
t-bomb from mhp for exampe.[/quote]
What about shoelaces?
What about T-boosters? No one here is a mindreader pal.
hey guys, ive been following this thread for a while and figured id jump in with a newb question
i was thinking about a 5 week hdrol run with just otc pct. i know everyone says a SERM is critical but is it really absolutely necessary? for pct i was hoping to just run an AI like 6oxo and add some I3C plus cortisol control and ZMA
i could get nolvadex i was just concerned about the toxicity. it seems like nolva is more toxic than hdrol from what ive heard so it would seem like the risks of a SERM were high for a ph like hdrol which is pretty mild
any advice would be appreciated
[quote]badsanta488 wrote:
i was thinking about a 5 week hdrol run with just otc pct. i know everyone says a SERM is critical but is it really absolutely necessary? for pct i was hoping to just run an AI like 6oxo and add some I3C plus cortisol control and ZMA
[/quote]
Na, we just say to use a SERM because it sounds cool. Theres no real biological reason to use one, we just like going out of our way to get it.
What was going through your mind before you hit the submit button? Im genuinely curious.
There has never been one case of someone giving the green light on OTC PCT (at least on this forum), why do you think your case would be different?
maybe if you take what the bottle says (like 1 cap a day for 2 weeks) you wouldnt need a legit PCT but you wouldnt make shit for gains either. it sucks that PCT is harder to get than PHs or AAS but its part of the process and if you want to keep anything youve gained you need it.
well i can understand using it for AAS or superdrol, M1T etc, but i just didnt think the shutdown on hdrol was severe enough to require a serm, and that the side effects from the serm itself could be worse than the hdrol to begin with
[quote]badsanta488 wrote:
well i can understand using it for AAS or superdrol, M1T etc, but i just didnt think the shutdown on hdrol was severe enough to require a serm, and that the side effects from the serm itself could be worse than the hdrol to begin with[/quote]
If you’ve never used a ph before then you can’t really make these judgements. It’s just not worth the risk.
Do you really want to have man boobs this time next year and think that it lead back to a stupid move now.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
maybe if you take what the bottle says (like 1 cap a day for 2 weeks) you wouldnt need a legit PCT but you wouldnt make shit for gains either. it sucks that PCT is harder to get than PHs or AAS but its part of the process and if you want to keep anything youve gained you need it.[/quote]
It’s not like PCT is that hard to get anyway. With the super strict customs here it’s easier to get in a PCT than PH. The chances of you getting busted for using an online pharmacy are next to nothing.
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
maybe if you take what the bottle says (like 1 cap a day for 2 weeks) you wouldnt need a legit PCT but you wouldnt make shit for gains either. it sucks that PCT is harder to get than PHs or AAS but its part of the process and if you want to keep anything youve gained you need it.
It’s not like PCT is that hard to get anyway. With the super strict customs here it’s easier to get in a PCT than PH. The chances of you getting busted for using an online pharmacy are next to nothing.[/quote]
essentially yea, im just frustrated that i keep running into payment problems with the site im trying to order from.
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
badsanta488 wrote:
well i can understand using it for AAS or superdrol, M1T etc, but i just didnt think the shutdown on hdrol was severe enough to require a serm, and that the side effects from the serm itself could be worse than the hdrol to begin with
If you’ve never used a ph before then you can’t really make these judgements. It’s just not worth the risk.
Do you really want to have man boobs this time next year and think that it lead back to a stupid move now.[/quote]
would the nolva pct for a 5-6 week hdrol run be the same 40/40/20/20 that i see recommended for a lot of cycles or would it be something different/ shorter/ less mg etc.
[quote]badsanta488 wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
badsanta488 wrote:
well i can understand using it for AAS or superdrol, M1T etc, but i just didnt think the shutdown on hdrol was severe enough to require a serm, and that the side effects from the serm itself could be worse than the hdrol to begin with
If you’ve never used a ph before then you can’t really make these judgements. It’s just not worth the risk.
Do you really want to have man boobs this time next year and think that it lead back to a stupid move now.
would the nolva pct for a 5-6 week hdrol run be the same 40/40/20/20 that i see recommended for a lot of cycles or would it be something different/ shorter/ less mg etc.[/quote]
There are 16 pages to this thread. Read them all before posting a question like that.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
maybe if you take what the bottle says (like 1 cap a day for 2 weeks) you wouldnt need a legit PCT but you wouldnt make shit for gains either. it sucks that PCT is harder to get than PHs or AAS but its part of the process and if you want to keep anything youve gained you need it.
It’s not like PCT is that hard to get anyway. With the super strict customs here it’s easier to get in a PCT than PH. The chances of you getting busted for using an online pharmacy are next to nothing.
essentially yea, im just frustrated that i keep running into payment problems with the site im trying to order from.[/quote]
I would recommend an online pharmacy rather than one of those research sites. If Australian customs don’t find them then there is no way yours will. I recommend BMP
[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
maybe if you take what the bottle says (like 1 cap a day for 2 weeks) you wouldnt need a legit PCT but you wouldnt make shit for gains either. it sucks that PCT is harder to get than PHs or AAS but its part of the process and if you want to keep anything youve gained you need it.
It’s not like PCT is that hard to get anyway. With the super strict customs here it’s easier to get in a PCT than PH. The chances of you getting busted for using an online pharmacy are next to nothing.
essentially yea, im just frustrated that i keep running into payment problems with the site im trying to order from.
I would recommend an online pharmacy rather than one of those research sites. If Australian customs don’t find them then there is no way yours will. I recommend BMP[/quote]
thats the site im trying to use. i dont want to use a research site anyway cause they give a liquid oral versus a tablet.
plus my moms saying her visa is maxed right now so i cant use that, my visa giftcards dont work and of course i have a mastercard.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
maybe if you take what the bottle says (like 1 cap a day for 2 weeks) you wouldnt need a legit PCT but you wouldnt make shit for gains either. it sucks that PCT is harder to get than PHs or AAS but its part of the process and if you want to keep anything youve gained you need it.
It’s not like PCT is that hard to get anyway. With the super strict customs here it’s easier to get in a PCT than PH. The chances of you getting busted for using an online pharmacy are next to nothing.
essentially yea, im just frustrated that i keep running into payment problems with the site im trying to order from.
I would recommend an online pharmacy rather than one of those research sites. If Australian customs don’t find them then there is no way yours will. I recommend BMP
thats the site im trying to use. i dont want to use a research site anyway cause they give a liquid oral versus a tablet.
plus my moms saying her visa is maxed right now so i cant use that, my visa giftcards dont work and of course i have a mastercard.[/quote]
I’m suprised it doesn’t work. I’ve used a prepaid credit card to order from the site before.
You could try www.buymedsinternet.com
Is RPN havoc a prohormone or a rip-off? I noticed some gains but not a whole lot
[quote]hvywrest wrote:
Is RPN havoc a prohormone or a rip-off? I noticed some gains but not a whole lot[/quote]
It is an anabolic compound, its not a prohormone it is actually a steroid as it is active and needs no conversion.
Its very mild, and very dry, you dont see dramatic gains but you generally see improvement all around and you get to keep the gains assuming you did a PCT.
Havoc is interesting because even though its pretty mild it suppresses estrogen, which can lead to E rebound when you come off, this means an SERM is a very good investment.
You didnt seem to run into to many difficulties, do some more research.
[quote]hvywrest wrote:
Is RPN havoc a prohormone or a rip-off? I noticed some gains but not a whole lot[/quote]
Ready the sticky.
Ya that all sounds about right. But my cholesterol skyrocketed
just got my Havoc in the mail today. waiting on my nolva before i start but hopefully it isnt too long since the shipping estimate is at 5-21 days or something.
-btw, do i take them all at once or spread them throughout the day?
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
just got my Havoc in the mail today. waiting on my nolva before i start but hopefully it isnt too long since the shipping estimate is at 5-21 days or something.
-btw, do i take them all at once or spread them throughout the day?[/quote]
This is why I’d choose to go with 40/d throughout if I ever decided to use that stuff again.
splitting 20 up throughout the day seems pointless to me. I’d just go with 20 1-2 hours pre workout.
30 you can split but I’d still go with 20 pre workout. Or you can take 10 when you wake up and go from there.
40 I’d take 10 in the am, 20 pre workout if you lift in the afternoon and another 10mg 6 hours later or so.
Can havoc raise cholesterol levels?
My cholesterol skyrocketed after a cycle of havoc. Does havoc contribute to elevated cholesterol levels, or is it more likely from genetics and diet?