[quote]Makavali wrote:
Epistane is fat soluble I’m told. Take Flameout or regular fish oil.
Liv52 ftw, does a better job than plain ol’ Milk Thistle.[/quote]
Thanks for the advice
in your origional post you mention that the “minimum time frame between cycles: Cycle + PCT + “Normalization Period” = Ready for your next cycle.”
whats an effective way of determining how long the “normalization period” should be. you began to describe this, but i seem to be missing something.
thanks
[quote]Augie122688 wrote:
in your origional post you mention that the “minimum time frame between cycles: Cycle + PCT + “Normalization Period” = Ready for your next cycle.”
whats an effective way of determining how long the “normalization period” should be. you began to describe this, but i seem to be missing something.
thanks[/quote]
Just to add to that question…
does the off-cycle need to be as long as your cycle period. i know thats a noob question, im just looking for an excuse to get back on le juice.
[quote]The Manthony wrote:
Augie122688 wrote:
in your origional post you mention that the “minimum time frame between cycles: Cycle + PCT + “Normalization Period” = Ready for your next cycle.”
whats an effective way of determining how long the “normalization period” should be. you began to describe this, but i seem to be missing something.
thanks
Just to add to that question…
does the off-cycle need to be as long as your cycle period. i know thats a noob question, im just looking for an excuse to get back on le juice.[/quote]
Generally most people say its time on = time off minimum.
Some say time on *1.5 = time off
With PH’s it depends, your liver takes a beating with PH’s because most are methyls.
If you get blood work and everything is normal then go ahead and run them agian after you finish your PCT and wait 3-4 weeks.
Agian, taking a longer period of time off will work better as far as the gains on cycle are concerned, as your receptors become more sensitive.
But from a safety standpoint, PCT + 3 Weeks minimum.
Ideally, PCT + time on cycle, spent off cycle.
Alright, I’m getting ready to run my Epistane cycle next week.
But recently a bottle of M1T came into my possession. Now I know that it has a good amount of sides to it. Which is why I would never run it as my first cycle.
However down the road I would like to (possibly) run it but try and avoid a majority of the sides. It is a bad idea to run two oral prohormones at a time but would it be possible to make say the M1T into a transdermal and stack it with Epistane?
If Epistane is supposed to be a strong anti-E then wouldn’t it help negate some of the effects of M1T such as gyno and etc. ? I’ve tried to find an article or blog that mentions making this into a transdermal. (All i’ve found is articles on making a transdermal fina.) So would this work or no?
Or if this is a ridiculous idea just let me know. I’m just kicking ideas around in my head because i find it interesting.
-MScience
[quote]Westclock wrote:
The Manthony wrote:
Augie122688 wrote:
in your origional post you mention that the “minimum time frame between cycles: Cycle + PCT + “Normalization Period” = Ready for your next cycle.”
whats an effective way of determining how long the “normalization period” should be. you began to describe this, but i seem to be missing something.
thanks
Just to add to that question…
does the off-cycle need to be as long as your cycle period. i know thats a noob question, im just looking for an excuse to get back on le juice.
Generally most people say its time on = time off minimum.
Some say time on *1.5 = time off[/quote]
Exactly. I’d play it safe with methyl products and extend it to 1.5 * cycle time.
[quote]Molecularscience wrote:
Alright, I’m getting ready to run my Epistane cycle next week.
But recently a bottle of M1T came into my possession. Now I know that it has a good amount of sides to it. Which is why I would never run it as my first cycle.
However down the road I would like to (possibly) run it but try and avoid a majority of the sides. It is a bad idea to run two oral prohormones at a time but would it be possible to make say the M1T into a transdermal and stack it with Epistane?
If Epistane is supposed to be a strong anti-E then wouldn’t it help negate some of the effects of M1T such as gyno and etc. ? I’ve tried to find an article or blog that mentions making this into a transdermal. (All i’ve found is articles on making a transdermal fina.) So would this work or no?
Or if this is a ridiculous idea just let me know. I’m just kicking ideas around in my head because i find it interesting.
-MScience[/quote]
I would never stack anything with M1T but straight up test, or 4AD, a non-methyl conversion to testosterone.
Another non-methyl like BOLD or something would be doable, but honestly I dont see the point.
Almost no one stacks anything with M1T but test.
M1T and dbol are similar imo in terms of how fast it kicks, and very rapid strength gains, it can be used to kickstart a cycle instead of dbol.
Running test, or 4AD (basically a very small ammount of test due to the conversion) is ideal because it will negate many of the sides, such as lethargy and loss of appetite.
People talk about M1T being dangerous, its no more dangerous than any other methyl steroid. But it should NOT be stacked with anything that is methylated.
You can not make M1T into a transdermal as far as I am aware. It has to go through the liver.
Taking epistane and M1T at the same time would be too much for your liver, you would regret that quickly.
i might have 2 bottles of MAG-10 Legacy… 
thanks for the help guys!
[quote]Westclock wrote:
Molecularscience wrote:
Alright, I’m getting ready to run my Epistane cycle next week.
But recently a bottle of M1T came into my possession. Now I know that it has a good amount of sides to it. Which is why I would never run it as my first cycle.
However down the road I would like to (possibly) run it but try and avoid a majority of the sides. It is a bad idea to run two oral prohormones at a time but would it be possible to make say the M1T into a transdermal and stack it with Epistane?
If Epistane is supposed to be a strong anti-E then wouldn’t it help negate some of the effects of M1T such as gyno and etc. ? I’ve tried to find an article or blog that mentions making this into a transdermal. (All i’ve found is articles on making a transdermal fina.) So would this work or no?
Or if this is a ridiculous idea just let me know. I’m just kicking ideas around in my head because i find it interesting.
-MScience
I would never stack anything with M1T but straight up test, or 4AD, a non-methyl conversion to testosterone.
Another non-methyl like BOLD or something would be doable, but honestly I dont see the point.
Almost no one stacks anything with M1T but test.
M1T and dbol are similar imo in terms of how fast it kicks, and very rapid strength gains, it can be used to kickstart a cycle instead of dbol.
Running test, or 4AD (basically a very small ammount of test due to the conversion) is ideal because it will negate many of the sides, such as lethargy and loss of appetite.
People talk about M1T being dangerous, its no more dangerous than any other methyl steroid. But it should NOT be stacked with anything that is methylated.
You can not make M1T into a transdermal as far as I am aware. It has to go through the liver.
Taking epistane and M1T at the same time would be too much for your liver, you would regret that quickly.
[/quote]
Alright, I was just kicking ideas around in my head the other day. Thanks.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Westclock wrote:
The Manthony wrote:
Augie122688 wrote:
in your origional post you mention that the “minimum time frame between cycles: Cycle + PCT + “Normalization Period” = Ready for your next cycle.”
whats an effective way of determining how long the “normalization period” should be. you began to describe this, but i seem to be missing something.
thanks
Just to add to that question…
does the off-cycle need to be as long as your cycle period. i know thats a noob question, im just looking for an excuse to get back on le juice.
Generally most people say its time on = time off minimum.
Some say time on *1.5 = time off
Exactly. I’d play it safe with methyl products and extend it to 1.5 * cycle time.[/quote]
blast! i wont be able to get back on until december!!
oh and im pleased to report that my ‘boys’ are back in full swing. Go Nolvadex!!
I think I saw MAG-10 somwhere for about 120 a bottle. Im sure its expired but things are out there if you look.
New to the site just looking for somefeed back if anybody can help:
Stats:
Age 25
Weight: 235
Height 6 feet 4 inches
Bf 12%
Going to run tren and an epistane clone for a bulking/cutting stack. is that good for my goals? PCT? Support supps. Any help would be great.
Try reading the thread son.
has anyone noticed during PCT… One testicle at full size, the other still recovering?
[quote]The Manthony wrote:
has anyone noticed during PCT… One testicle at full size, the other still recovering?
[/quote]
Hell yes.
I get that every time, my left ball is always smaller, good ole righty pops back in 3-4 days, lefty takes atleast 2 weeks.
Left one shrinks faster too.
Anyone noticed feeling a bit sick on high doses of nolva?
Took 100mg (on cycle atm) the other day because I was worried I felt a bit of gyno. Gone now, but I’ve been feeling a bit sick since then.
Whatsup guys, im an old regular sort of so to say.
Anyway im coming back here, because this is the place with knowledge hehe.
Im a believer that after the PH bans took place that all supplements are pretty much garbage except for mostly food supplements, like protein.
Anyway, I got alot of friends who have been lifting, using PH, and or Gear, and what not. The word is the Spawn is no joke, and I have been hearing it constantly from people who I believe dont BS.
So my friend needs to buy another half abottle and they dont sell it like that obviously, he swears he got more gains its “better than Dbols” one thing to another. I go halves.
Um might I say this stuff is no Joke… Ive been using it for less than a week, and yes I might say strength has been coming in better then using moderate amounts of Dbol on a test cycle, because thats all I would know(with test). Now im not using test just - GH 2nd week
WTF is this shit? and um yeaa, any one want to discuss this stuff? This shit is serious.
O yea im sure I could ask people I know in person, but I honestly dont like looking clueless, I just wanted to try something out(test it) I do know its suposedly close to tren… Idk shit about (PH)s.
I am a believer that the real stuff is cheaper, and healthier then (PH) But again Im the little kid who had to try it just once.
Spawn has been discontinued from what I can see, and I’ve seen people complaining about the fact it wasn’t strong enough. Really expensive too.
Someone said to me in a PM that it’s possible to use high doses of Tribulus or Tongkat Ali as PCT.
Apparently because it stimulates the production of LH.
I think proper PCT would be better…but if nothing was available, maybe Tribulus is better than nothing.
Any thoughts?