ProHormones-All You Need to Know

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[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
Spawn has been discontinued from what I can see, and I’ve seen people complaining about the fact it wasn’t strong enough. Really expensive too.[/quote]

I really want to know why there are such HUGE differing opinions on PH’s. I’m paranoid enough to believe that the people who say “[product] doesn’t work” are saying that simply to get people frustrated and just go for the real thing.

For every person that says they elicited great gains off of it, there’s always someone there who says it’s garbage, or not worth the money. Annoying.

Not that I have to worry about PH’s anymore… :wink:

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[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:
Someone said to me in a PM that it’s possible to use high doses of Tribulus or Tongkat Ali as PCT.

Apparently because it stimulates the production of LH.

I think proper PCT would be better…but if nothing was available, maybe Tribulus is better than nothing.

Any thoughts?

[/quote]

My advice is that if you can’t get PCT, then don’t bother with any of the stronger stuff.

If anything, PCT should be the FIRST thing you order.

:confused:

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[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:
Someone said to me in a PM that it’s possible to use high doses of Tribulus or Tongkat Ali as PCT.

Apparently because it stimulates the production of LH.

I think proper PCT would be better…but if nothing was available, maybe Tribulus is better than nothing.

Any thoughts?

[/quote]

Even if trib could stimulate LH production enough to restart your production youd still have estrogen issues to deal with.

If you use chemical for enhancement, you need chemicals for recovery.

Its really that simple.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
My advice is that if you can’t get PCT, then don’t bother with any of the stronger stuff.

If anything, PCT should be the FIRST thing you order.

:confused:

Westclock wrote:

Even if trib could stimulate LH production enough to restart your production youd still have estrogen issues to deal with.

If you use chemical for enhancement, you need chemicals for recovery.

Its really that simple.[/quote]

Exactly what I was thinking.

I’m trying to get Clomid due to a previous order being seized, as that is my preferred PCT. But if that fails I can just get a prescription of Nolva.

Apparently Clomid and Nolva are legal to order to Oz?

It was with some other stuff, which is probably why it was seized along with it.

If anyone down under can help me source some Clomid without hassles, I’d appreciate it. Send me a PM.

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[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:
Makavali wrote:
My advice is that if you can’t get PCT, then don’t bother with any of the stronger stuff.

If anything, PCT should be the FIRST thing you order.

:confused:

Westclock wrote:

Even if trib could stimulate LH production enough to restart your production youd still have estrogen issues to deal with.

If you use chemical for enhancement, you need chemicals for recovery.

Its really that simple.

Exactly what I was thinking.

I’m trying to get Clomid due to a previous order being seized, as that is my preferred PCT. But if that fails I can just get a prescription of Nolva.

Apparently Clomid and Nolva are legal to order to Oz?

It was with some other stuff, which is probably why it was seized along with it.

If anyone down under can help me source some Clomid without hassles, I’d appreciate it. Send me a PM.[/quote]

They are legal if you have a prescription. They rarely check.

I’ll pm when I get home from work, a good cheap site that gets it through (though I would go with nolva rather than clomid)

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[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
JohnnyBlaze wrote:
Makavali wrote:
My advice is that if you can’t get PCT, then don’t bother with any of the stronger stuff.

If anything, PCT should be the FIRST thing you order.

:confused:

Westclock wrote:

Even if trib could stimulate LH production enough to restart your production youd still have estrogen issues to deal with.

If you use chemical for enhancement, you need chemicals for recovery.

Its really that simple.

Exactly what I was thinking.

I’m trying to get Clomid due to a previous order being seized, as that is my preferred PCT. But if that fails I can just get a prescription of Nolva.

Apparently Clomid and Nolva are legal to order to Oz?

It was with some other stuff, which is probably why it was seized along with it.

If anyone down under can help me source some Clomid without hassles, I’d appreciate it. Send me a PM.

They are legal if you have a prescription. They rarely check.

I’ll pm when I get home from work, a good cheap site that gets it through (though I would go with nolva rather than clomid)[/quote]

agreed I have done both nolva and clomid and notice absolutely no difference beyond crazy eye floaties and spontaneous eye watering from anything remotely sad with clomid simply due to the higher doses.

Novla will mess with your head too but not at 20-40 mg/day compared to 100-300mg/day with clomid.

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I’m glad I’m not the only one. I did clomid for my PCT for a 1-AD cycle back in the day and it turned me into a sniveling little bitch.

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[quote]Westclock wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
JohnnyBlaze wrote:
Makavali wrote:
My advice is that if you can’t get PCT, then don’t bother with any of the stronger stuff.

If anything, PCT should be the FIRST thing you order.

:confused:

Westclock wrote:

Even if trib could stimulate LH production enough to restart your production youd still have estrogen issues to deal with.

If you use chemical for enhancement, you need chemicals for recovery.

Its really that simple.

Exactly what I was thinking.

I’m trying to get Clomid due to a previous order being seized, as that is my preferred PCT. But if that fails I can just get a prescription of Nolva.

Apparently Clomid and Nolva are legal to order to Oz?

It was with some other stuff, which is probably why it was seized along with it.

If anyone down under can help me source some Clomid without hassles, I’d appreciate it. Send me a PM.

They are legal if you have a prescription. They rarely check.

I’ll pm when I get home from work, a good cheap site that gets it through (though I would go with nolva rather than clomid)

agreed I have done both nolva and clomid and notice absolutely no difference beyond crazy eye floaties and spontaneous eye watering from anything remotely sad with clomid simply due to the higher doses.

Novla will mess with your head too but not at 20-40 mg/day compared to 100-300mg/day with clomid.
[/quote]

Mate i havent got any sides from Nolva at all. i was doing 40mg per day now down to 20 per day.
i have clomid but im not looking forward to having to use it. ill try to get my hands on more nolva.

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[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
Anyone noticed feeling a bit sick on high doses of nolva?

Took 100mg (on cycle atm) the other day because I was worried I felt a bit of gyno. Gone now, but I’ve been feeling a bit sick since then.[/quote]

that looks like an unusually high dose to me.

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[quote]The Manthony wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
Anyone noticed feeling a bit sick on high doses of nolva?

Took 100mg (on cycle atm) the other day because I was worried I felt a bit of gyno. Gone now, but I’ve been feeling a bit sick since then.

that looks like an unusually high dose to me. [/quote]

I was using it as a one off on cycle.

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Got a seizures notice today. They said they were seizing Androsterone and Methylandrostenediol, neither of which did I import. It’s not my fault they can’t tell the difference between chemical substances. You would think for supposedly one of the most rigorous customs services in the world they would know that androsterone and adrenosterone and not synonyms.

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So I am almost ready to start my first Epistane cycle.

I have the Epistane, I have the support supps and now I just need the SERM.

Are research chemicals still the way to go given how hard our Customs Officials work here in Australia to prevent even common vitamins from making it in?

Cheers

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PCT UPDATE: took 2 days off nolva after 4 weeks of PCT and noticed some rebound.

will continue for 2 more weeks at 20mg and then see how i go.

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[quote]The Manthony wrote:
PCT UPDATE: took 2 days off nolva after 4 weeks of PCT and noticed some rebound.

will continue for 2 more weeks at 20mg and then see how i go.

[/quote]

Nice tighty whities, ya hairy bastard! lol

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[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:
The Manthony wrote:
PCT UPDATE: took 2 days off nolva after 4 weeks of PCT and noticed some rebound.

will continue for 2 more weeks at 20mg and then see how i go.

Nice tighty whities, ya hairy bastard! lol[/quote]

Yeah i have to nair it this week. I am a hairy bastard, you should see my ass.

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I am about to start a cycle of xtreme-tren and need PCT. Could I get a PM for a reliable chem researcher in the states for nolva?
Edit:
Age: 25
height: 5’10"
Weight: 94.5 kg
BF: 16%ish
training: 1 year of solid training after major surgery, pre-surgery 4 years.

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thats alot of muscle at 16% bodyfat mate.

I dont use research chem… get tamoxifen from online pharmacies. works a charm.

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[quote]The Manthony wrote:
thats alot of muscle at 16% bodyfat mate.

I dont use research chem… get tamoxifen from online pharmacies. works a charm.[/quote]

The Americans here seem to use the chemical research option, presumably because that means they don’t have to order from outside the country and therefore avoid their customs service.

Getting past our customs it’s easier to get the proper pills (seeing there is nowhere in Australia to order research chemicals like t-mox from)

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  1. Questions;
    1.Is there a high likelihood of my RX getting seized by customs here in the states? If I order tamoxifen from some RX site, will I get popped?

  2. When it says 40mg tamoxifen week 1, is that total for the week or each day?..

  3. How much should I be eating? Goals are to lose some BF, not looking to get to sub 10 would be happy at 11-13%, mainly focusing on lean body mass. I am not a body builder/figure athlete, I care only about strength gains.

I was figuring at aiming around 300-350g of protein, 200 g fat and 150 g of carbs. 3400-3600 calories total. Will this be sufficient? I can include a what my average workouts look like as well. I am considering interval training 2-3 times a week to increase fat loss, but right now my training volume is borderline insane as is.

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  1. Given you’re in the US, order from a research chem site.

  2. 40mg ED of Tamox.