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@ molecularscience:

What are your goals? (I would save epi for a cut, use something else for a bulk)

How much fish oil are you taking?

You may want to consider adding Liv.52 in there, as you can get it for free basically (try a search on ebay, if your lucky you can win with a $1 bid, and the postage is generally cheap), but you do have yourself covered pretty well.

I can’t remember what’s in perfect cycle, but you might want to look to make sure you aren’t having large overlap if it contains the same stuff as you are taking separately.

I don’t know how big the pumps are on epistane, but you might want to consider 5g taurine.

I would start at 20 mg rather than 2 days of 10 personally. (the recommendations generally are written for people around 170-180 lbs)

You also might want to think of other supps in PCT to help your body recover.

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[quote]Molecularscience wrote:
I have done a lot of research and silently watch over this forum for a while and figure to give Epistane a go next month.

My stats are:
Weight 205lb.
Height: 6 feet
Age:23

Here’s what I think I will go for my dosages.

Week 1: 10,10,20,20,20,20,20
Week 2: 20,20,20,20,20,20,20
Week 3: 30,30,30,30,30,30,30
Week 4: 40,40,40,40,40,40,40

The supps I will be taking while on cycle. I have already started taking Milk thistle, Saw Palmetto, and Hawthorne Berry Extract.

On Cycle Supps.
Fish oil
Flax seed oil
Milk Thistle 4 caps daily = 600mg
Saw Palmetto 540 mg caps 3x daily
Sesamin- 1g/day
Taurine- 2-3g/day
Potassium: more than 1g daily
Cissus- 2g/daily
Hawthorne Berry extract 1 cap/day
CoQ10- 30 mg 2-3 times daily
Perfect cycle 2 caps daily

PCT
Week 5: Nolvadex 40mg,
Week: 6 : 40mg
Week 7: 20 mg

I figured I would post here before I started just so if I missed anything then I could get some advice on whatever it is. Thanks.[/quote]

That looks good to me. Epistane is pretty mild actually but still gives 10-15 pounds of gain, its perfect for people new to chemical enhancement of any kind.

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pumps arent too bad on epistane. and for your weight i wouldnt go any lower than 20mg per day.

Oh and another great thing about the compound. iv been off it for a couple weeks and i havent lost anything. like no loss at all! and still quite vascular!

I have read that clomid actually stimulates the testes back into production as well… whereas Nolva doesn’t? is this true.

i only have nolva and its awesome for PCT.

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[quote]The Manthony wrote:
pumps arent too bad on epistane. and for your weight i wouldnt go any lower than 20mg per day.

Oh and another great thing about the compound. iv been off it for a couple weeks and i havent lost anything. like no loss at all! and still quite vascular!

I have read that clomid actually stimulates the testes back into production as well… whereas Nolva doesn’t? is this true.

i only have nolva and its awesome for PCT.[/quote]

They both stimulate in almost exactly the same way.

Some people combine nolva and clomid for PCT, I have done this, its not noticeably better than just a nolva PCT.

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I heard Tamoxifen kickstarts LH production.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
I heard Tamoxifen kickstarts LH production.[/quote]

post cycle wonder-drug, cheap as chips too!

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[quote]The Manthony wrote:
Makavali wrote:
I heard Tamoxifen kickstarts LH production.

post cycle wonder-drug, cheap as chips too![/quote]

If it were a women, I’d tap it.

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just got a padded envelope in the mail woohoo! problem is… its about an 8th of the total order.

EDIT: twas Clomid.

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[quote]The Manthony wrote:
just got a padded envelope in the mail woohoo! problem is… its about an 8th of the total order.

EDIT: twas Clomid.[/quote]

Yeah some companies will under supply. Contact them and see what the deal is (they may have sent it in multiple packages)

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[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
The Manthony wrote:
just got a padded envelope in the mail woohoo! problem is… its about an 8th of the total order.

EDIT: twas Clomid.

Yeah some companies will under supply. Contact them and see what the deal is (they may have sent it in multiple packages)[/quote]

I emailed them about it. Hoping a few more packages arrive.

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[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
@ molecularscience:

You also might want to think of other supps in PCT to help your body recover.[/quote]

What do mean by other supps in my PCT? I’ll be continuing Milk Thistle and Saw Palmetto. Do you mean Tribulus? or Something like that?

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[quote]Molecularscience wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
@ molecularscience:

You also might want to think of other supps in PCT to help your body recover.

What do mean by other supps in my PCT? I’ll be continuing Milk Thistle and Saw Palmetto. Do you mean Tribulus? or Something like that?[/quote]

Yeah I mean some test boosters. I found when I used a variety of supps when taking tamoxifen I didn’t suffer in performance at all in the gym (I did 6-oxo, n1-t, trib, rodesia, hmb, beta-alanine)

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Alright, I’ll look into some of these supps. then.

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[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
Molecularscience wrote:
eigieinhamr wrote:
@ molecularscience:

You also might want to think of other supps in PCT to help your body recover.

What do mean by other supps in my PCT? I’ll be continuing Milk Thistle and Saw Palmetto. Do you mean Tribulus? or Something like that?

Yeah I mean some test boosters. I found when I used a variety of supps when taking tamoxifen I didn’t suffer in performance at all in the gym (I did 6-oxo, n1-t, trib, rodesia, hmb, beta-alanine)[/quote]

I usually just do Nolva, Vitamin-E and my normal supps.

I dont bother with trib or anything else.

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If I am taking Nolva wouldn’t 6oxo be Unnecessary ? Or would it help? If I did use it would I use it in conjunction with the Nolva or would I wait until I’m done with the Nolvadex?

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[quote]Molecularscience wrote:
If I am taking Nolva wouldn’t 6oxo be Unnecessary ? Or would it help? If I did use it would I use it in conjunction with the Nolva or would I wait until I’m done with the Nolvadex?[/quote]

im struggling to work this out myself. im running nolva at the moment… and i have 6-oxo. i think it cant hurt to use it, it wont make nolva less effective.

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[quote]The Manthony wrote:
Molecularscience wrote:
If I am taking Nolva wouldn’t 6oxo be Unnecessary ? Or would it help? If I did use it would I use it in conjunction with the Nolva or would I wait until I’m done with the Nolvadex?

im struggling to work this out myself. im running nolva at the moment… and i have 6-oxo. i think it cant hurt to use it, it wont make nolva less effective.[/quote]

Certainly its ok to take 6oxo, I would avoid AI’s unless your taking something like HCG.

Some like to use nolva with HCG and Adex to instantly try to restart production, using the SERM and Adex to prevent HCG from suppressing.

But oxo isnt actually strong enough to do much, theres no real reason not to take it, although I wouldn’t bother.

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[quote]Westclock wrote:
The Manthony wrote:
Molecularscience wrote:
If I am taking Nolva wouldn’t 6oxo be Unnecessary ? Or would it help? If I did use it would I use it in conjunction with the Nolva or would I wait until I’m done with the Nolvadex?

im struggling to work this out myself. im running nolva at the moment… and i have 6-oxo. i think it cant hurt to use it, it wont make nolva less effective.

Certainly its ok to take 6oxo, I would avoid AI’s unless your taking something like HCG.

Some like to use nolva with HCG and Adex to instantly try to restart production, using the SERM and Adex to prevent HCG from suppressing.

But oxo isnt actually strong enough to do much, theres no real reason not to take it, although I wouldn’t bother.[/quote]

im almost 2 weeks into PCT and my boys are still at about 55% size. how much longer until they are shwingin again?

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[quote]The Manthony wrote:
Westclock wrote:
The Manthony wrote:
Molecularscience wrote:
If I am taking Nolva wouldn’t 6oxo be Unnecessary ? Or would it help? If I did use it would I use it in conjunction with the Nolva or would I wait until I’m done with the Nolvadex?

im struggling to work this out myself. im running nolva at the moment… and i have 6-oxo. i think it cant hurt to use it, it wont make nolva less effective.

Certainly its ok to take 6oxo, I would avoid AI’s unless your taking something like HCG.

Some like to use nolva with HCG and Adex to instantly try to restart production, using the SERM and Adex to prevent HCG from suppressing.

But oxo isnt actually strong enough to do much, theres no real reason not to take it, although I wouldn’t bother.

im almost 2 weeks into PCT and my boys are still at about 55% size. how much longer until they are shwingin again?[/quote]

Have you used anything for them?

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[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
The Manthony wrote:
Westclock wrote:
The Manthony wrote:
Molecularscience wrote:
If I am taking Nolva wouldn’t 6oxo be Unnecessary ? Or would it help? If I did use it would I use it in conjunction with the Nolva or would I wait until I’m done with the Nolvadex?

im struggling to work this out myself. im running nolva at the moment… and i have 6-oxo. i think it cant hurt to use it, it wont make nolva less effective.

Certainly its ok to take 6oxo, I would avoid AI’s unless your taking something like HCG.

Some like to use nolva with HCG and Adex to instantly try to restart production, using the SERM and Adex to prevent HCG from suppressing.

But oxo isnt actually strong enough to do much, theres no real reason not to take it, although I wouldn’t bother.

im almost 2 weeks into PCT and my boys are still at about 55% size. how much longer until they are shwingin again?

Have you used anything for them?[/quote]

no HCG if thats what you mean. i have been running nolva 40mg ed and trib and milk thistle. they are just taking longer than expected to bounce back.