ProHormones-All You Need to Know

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[quote]Waif No More wrote:
WNM is back -and a fully qualified personal trainer, FINALLY! What an uphill shit-haul that was -not that I found the course work difficuilt,

I LOVE aquiring and sharing knowledge, but as for spending 3-5 week blocks with a bunch of spoilt, bitchy, niggly, rednecked KIDS (av. age 21)I also learned a hard lesson about not casting my black pearls before ignorant swine.

I’m going to quote Ms Aguilera:
"'Cause if it wasn’t for all of your torture
I wouldn’t know how to be this way now, and never back down
So I wanna say thank you

'Cause it makes me that much stronger
Makes me work a little bit harder
Makes me that much wiser
So thanks for making me a fighter
Made me learn a little bit faster
Made my skin a little bit thicker
It makes me that much smarter
So thanks for making me a fighter "

Back to the topic at hand: Due to my woes with Aus Customs and the unreliability of other “sourses”, I ordered 2 bottles of iFORSE 1.4 AD Bold 200 -and just like my friend, I recieved them, quarantine inspection sticker et al. I have been running 600mgED for just over 3 weeks and I am pretty impressed so far.

Will post photos at the end of my cycle. Only side effect I have noticed is an increased appetite, which means that I have succummed to certain cravings (usually for fresh Californian dates) a little more often than I should. The fuck-up stops HERE![/quote]

I’m a bit confused. Are you female? If so I would be careful about running any PH, I’m thinking bold might be androgenic.

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[quote]eigieinhamr wrote:
Waif No More wrote:
WNM is back -and a fully qualified personal trainer, FINALLY! What an uphill shit-haul that was -not that I found the course work difficuilt,

I LOVE aquiring and sharing knowledge, but as for spending 3-5 week blocks with a bunch of spoilt, bitchy, niggly, rednecked KIDS (av. age 21)I also learned a hard lesson about not casting my black pearls before ignorant swine.

I’m going to quote Ms Aguilera:
"'Cause if it wasn’t for all of your torture
I wouldn’t know how to be this way now, and never back down
So I wanna say thank you

'Cause it makes me that much stronger
Makes me work a little bit harder
Makes me that much wiser
So thanks for making me a fighter
Made me learn a little bit faster
Made my skin a little bit thicker
It makes me that much smarter
So thanks for making me a fighter "

Back to the topic at hand: Due to my woes with Aus Customs and the unreliability of other “sourses”, I ordered 2 bottles of iFORSE 1.4 AD Bold 200 -and just like my friend, I recieved them, quarantine inspection sticker et al. I have been running 600mgED for just over 3 weeks and I am pretty impressed so far.

Will post photos at the end of my cycle. Only side effect I have noticed is an increased appetite, which means that I have succummed to certain cravings (usually for fresh Californian dates) a little more often than I should. The fuck-up stops HERE!

I’m a bit confused. Are you female? If so I would be careful about running any PH, I’m thinking bold might be androgenic.[/quote]

Whoa whoa.

Hold up.

Theres a difference between winny or var and what your planning.

as a rule of thumb women should NOT use a prohormone, your going to get virilization and other androgenic effects very quickly.

What exactly are you running ?

If its this 1,4AD stuff then its pretty much Boldenone, women can run it safely, but at low doses.

I dont know how the PH is dosed compared to straight up Boldenone, but I do know women should not run Boldenone over say 100 mg/week tops.

Up to about 100mg/week its fairly safe and the virilization and androgenic effects are very mild to non existent.

At higher doses, it can be quite dangerous.

How effectivly does the 1,4AD convert to Boldenone or a Boldenone like substance ?

EDIT: from what I have read the conversion factor seems to be about 15%.

So one cap of 200mg of 1,4AD should be 30mg of Boldenone.

If this is true then you can only take 3-4 caps in one WEEK and stay within the safe ranges.

If your taking 3 caps a day your taking a male dose, and this will be VERY bad for you.

You need to be taking about 90mg/day of Bold to get the proper Boldenone dose.

Or about half a cap.

Split up your caps.

If you have already been at this dose, which is about 4 times what you should taking for 3 weeks I honestly dont know what advice to give you besides making you aware of it.

I dont know how female hormone production works, I dont know if you need a PCT, I dont know if there are long term health affects.

Someone with more experience with female steroid usage please comment…

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That is assuming that all of it is absorbed by the body and I am not convinced. I think a good way to assertain would be to compare the results experienced by someone who has run both Bold and EQ at different times. All of the Bold cycle logs I have read have been male and the guys were often running 8-1200mgED.

IF the reccomended fem dose was different (or unsafe for women altogether) then surely it would say so on the bottle?
Any negative sides and I will stop, but as I said, so far so good. No dramatic strength gains, as I experienced running Var, but my upper body is looking bigger and that I like. :slight_smile:

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Doesn’t it say not for females on the bottle? All ph bottles I have seen have had not sure use by females on it somewhere.
I recommend trying to find a woman with experience to help you, I don’t know if any one here is going to be able to give you the correct advice (especially for something like a PH which doesn’t have many studies done on it)

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[quote]Waif No More wrote:
That is assuming that all of it is absorbed by the body and I am not convinced. I think a good way to assertain would be to compare the results experienced by someone who has run both Bold and EQ at different times. All of the Bold cycle logs I have read have been male and the guys were often running 8-1200mgED.
IF the reccomended fem dose was different (or unsafe for women altogether) then surely it would say so on the bottle?
Any negative sides and I will stop, but as I said, so far so good. No dramatic strength gains, as I experienced running Var, but my upper body is looking bigger and that I like. :slight_smile:
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Well if you were running a dangerous dose its would likely be too late 3 weeks in.

I dont know much about the PH bold, Im more more comfrotable with injectable boldenone.

I looked up the PH itself the company does not distinguish between male and females as far as dosing is concerned.

I know for a fact the particular product your using is safe for females, but it becomes unsafe at high doses for obvious reasons.

Most men run boldenone at 800-1000+ mg/week. Most males dont even see gains with less than 600mg/week.

But most women run it at mabey 100-150mg/week.

With only a 15% conversion factor I would think males would need to run 1,4AD at close to 7000mg/week to see normal Boldenone equivalent gains, this seems to be the normal run.

If they are running about 1000mg/day 1,4AD its about a normal dose.

You understand my concern, the male to female dose difference is SEVERE with the compound 1,4AD is based on.

What I read did say that 15% conversion was an “optimistic estimate”, but I still felt it prudent to throw that out there just incase you were operating under different pretenses.

personally I would never give a girl anything but var.

I like var, I know how to run it, and its proven and safe if used in the correct manner.

I would never give boldenone to a girl, even though it has been used safely many times and is quite popular with female bodybuilders. Simply because I dont have a great grasp of the compound, and it hasn’t been sufficiently tested “officially” aka not internet board anecdotes.

The PH version is even worse in my book because I have no reliable idea what the dosage should be.

Ill be anxious to see how this works out for you, how long is your cycle ? 6 weeks, 8 weeks ?

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6 wks, possibly 8 if I can get another bottle and no nasty sides.

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[quote]Waif No More wrote:
6 wks, possibly 8 if I can get another bottle and no nasty sides.
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Arent you in a relationship of some kind ? Married if I remember correctly from another thread ?

What does he think about this ? Or have you “omitted” it from the things you tell him ? :stuck_out_tongue:

Mabey you should talk him into cycling with you, nothing better than two ripped people with over active sex drives due to gear that have similar interests.

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i cant beleive you are using bold WNM… thats seriously masculinizing. you will regret it when your period stops and you grow a beard.

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6th day on PCT running nolva at 40mg ED.

Feeling good and i the only loss i have noticed is some size off my arms… which i hate! big arms are what i want most!

One thing that did freak me out though was that my skin colour has changed dramatically since i started PCT which indicates to me just how much stress my liver must have been under while on cycle.

my muscles still feel very hard but i am less vascular and i dont look as pumped as i did. im hoping that i dont lose anything because that would be a serious shame hahaha.

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[quote]The Manthony wrote:
i cant beleive you are using bold WNM… thats seriously masculinizing. you will regret it when your period stops and you grow a beard.[/quote]

its boldenone, women only experience masculinizing effects at high doses.

She can run it with almost no side effects as long as she keeps it under 150mg/week of boldenone.

Her current dose is pretty close to that, so she should be ok.

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[quote]The Manthony wrote:
i cant beleive you are using bold WNM… thats seriously masculinizing. you will regret it when your period stops and you grow a beard.[/quote]

Well, I already missed a period after running Var for 4 wks. It sorted itself out for the next month. As for growing a beard, I am one of those lucky women, who only needs to shave her legs once a month and I haven’t noticed any extra hair growth at all. I wonder sometimes, whether I don’t have a sub-normal level of testosterone in my body.

Even as a teen, I never had more than 10 npimples at the one time and people have often wondered how I can be “so tiny” and still fill a C-cup. When I started my PT course, I was the only girl in my class who could not perform a single full push-up. “Wow”, said one of my teachers, “You must have really put in some hard work, well done!”
And yes, I have been working out hard, as always. They don’t need to know I had a little extra help.
As for my boyfriend, yeah, he did once threaten to kick me out if I used AAS and I went behind his back for a while.

Then one night, during a heated arguement, I told him the truth. I also told him that it’s my body and that I have a right to do whatever I need to, to feel good about my body. He begrudgingly accepted it. I guess he really loves me. I love him too.:slight_smile:

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Just be careful and prudent WNM. If you feel the need to indulge in AAS, please select the ones that are least destructive to your femininity.

Remember that unfortunately for women AAS are infinitely more well tolerated by males. It’s just another area like pay equity that sucks.

Handled intelligently and responsibly however, you can get an edge while minimizing sides.

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[quote]Waif No More wrote:
The Manthony wrote:
i cant beleive you are using bold WNM… thats seriously masculinizing. you will regret it when your period stops and you grow a beard.

Well, I already missed a period after running Var for 4 wks. It sorted itself out for the next month. As for growing a beard, I am one of those lucky women, who only needs to shave her legs once a month and I haven’t noticed any extra hair growth at all. I wonder sometimes, whether I don’t have a sub-normal level of testosterone in my body.

Even as a teen, I never had more than 10 pimples at the one time and people have often wondered how I can be “so tiny” and still fill a C-cup. When I started my PT course, I was the only girl in my class who could not perform a single full push-up. “Wow”, said one of my teachers, “You must have really put in some hard work, well done!”
And yes, I have been working out hard, as always. They don’t need to know I had a little extra help.
As for my boyfriend, yeah, he did once threaten to kick me out if I used AAS and I went behind his back for a while.

Then one night, during a heated arguement, I told him the truth. I also told him that it’s my body and that I have a right to do whatever I need to to to feel good about my body. He begrudgingly accepted it. I guess he really loves me. I love him too.:slight_smile:
Edited to say that last night, I wore a sleeveless dress and I could not stop looking at myself in the mirror. No more stick arms, WOO HOO!!!

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It may be a good idea to get a physical or blood work done when you finish your cycle.

Your pretty much the only female member of the roids section, it would make us feel terrible if we lost ya.

also post some progress pics, lets see how its going.

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What about Carbolin 19? Forskolin - Wikipedia

Just how much does it interact with things such as stimulants (I noticed they pair it with caffeine in HOT-ROX Extreme but there is a general warning against antihistamines that are often similar to drugs such as focalin and other ADD drugs)?

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[quote]Elaikases wrote:
What about Carbolin 19? Forskolin - Wikipedia

Just how much does it interact with things such as stimulants (I noticed they pair it with caffeine in HOT-ROX Extreme but there is a general warning against antihistamines that are often similar to drugs such as focalin and other ADD drugs)?

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Uhhh, am I missing something, or did this have nothing to do with prohormones

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eigieinhamr, the usage suggestion is for cycling with hormones or prohormones for a taper on and off.

Sorry I did not provide more context for you.

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i dont know if Carbolin 19-19 has any real effect… has anyone noted any different in their body from it? It seems to promise a lot but i think it plays on the fear of steroid users losing size between cycles.

If it does what it says, i would use it. But as if yet im not convinced.

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Hmm I have never heard of Carbolin 19 being used with PH’s I doubt its chemically signifigant if its neither liver toxic nor hormonal.

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Hey guys, just bought a couple bottles of Bold. I’ve read some places that guys have been going up to a gram a day and have been running that dosage for as long as 8-12 weeks. Is there any advantage to this method or will I get results running it at 800mg ED for 4 weeks?

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If anyone is considering using a ph/ds and usually has trouble with low hunger, I would recommend Pheraplex. I literally feel hungry all day.

Seriously.