[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
We disagree , The main stream will not side with this point until it is a done deal . Then they will act as though they were there all along [/quote]
You are confusing my saying “the video sucks, if you want to get this message out to a broad audience you need to better than this video” and thinking I’m saying “this video’s content is bullshit.”
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He does that sort of thing a lot.
LEO perspective here.
Yes profiling exists and it’s effective. CRIMINAL profiling, not racial profiling. Does it happen? Sure. Is it wrong? Of course.
I’ve worked in various specialized units like narcotics and investigations where suspects’ behavior/mannerisms/setting/neighborhood and many other factors that add up to give you the idea that “criminal activity may be afoot”. Now, this standard (As in the case with Terry vs. OH.) is NOT a reasonable person standard, this is a POLICE OFFICER standard. This is a higher awareness granted by the court for “reasonable suspicion”. Basically, the court says: Your job is to for 8 hours a day look for shady characters up to no good. We trust your with the authority to stop to person when you can ARTICULATE THE FACTS on what they are doing that are suspicious.
So when you profile, you profile the behavior AND the person. Not just a black face. Officer, why did you stop my client? “He was Black and this is a real nice part of town. We’ve been having a lot of break-ins in the area”. Nope. That shit ain’t gonna fly.
Officer, why did you stop my client? “It was 2am. I was on routine patrol. Our zone has been experiencing a rash of break-ins in the area. The suspect is known to be a young male black. I spotted your client and approached him, when he saw me he changed directions. I then quickly got out of the car and stopped him”. Legitimate stop.
With all these “stats”… Comstat basically just follows where the crime is. In a given month, if we are experiencing shootings and robberies and certain districts, resources will be deployed to those districts and arrests will be made. And it just so happens the criminals prey on the poor. And where do the poor live? In the housing projects in the inner-city. They set up their drug trade and maintain/recycle their relationships with their family/baby mama/girlfriends/fuck buddys/friends/ etc. We can all thank LBJ for our beloved housing projects. This is where minorities live. You will find some Whites, but most poor Whites will move out to the more rural trailer parks. So crime gets committed here. Resources are deployed. Folks get arrested. That’s how it works.
And trust me, most people in law enforcement find it insulting that some people think that we practice/condone/tolerate racial profiling. Our internal discipline measures keep us in check. Trust me.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
We disagree , The main stream will not side with this point until it is a done deal . Then they will act as though they were there all along [/quote]
You are confusing my saying “the video sucks, if you want to get this message out to a broad audience you need to better than this video” and thinking I’m saying “this video’s content is bullshit.”
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no you are confusing your opinion with fact
[quote]Chushin wrote:
I’m curious about something, X.
Do you believe that the (real and accurate) per capita crime rate is higher among blacks than among whites in the US, or that that question is unanswerable?[/quote]
I know you didn’t ask me, but I think the question should be more specific.
If it’s per capita you meed to say there is no distinction between white and blue collar crime.
Keep in mind the amount of people in prison for drug charges, as they are lumped in with violent criminals.
The punishments are unjust and unfair as well… If you are white collar of importance, you can spend your time in a luxury lockdown hotel. I’ve heard stories of these guys having access to everything in jail/ women, communication, etc.
It’s not just the crime, it’s the severity of punishment as well.
You can rip off millions of people and wreak havoc on the economy and spend some time in a 5 star resort jail with hookers, cell phones, and no dudes trying to poke your brown eye.
Get busted for drugs, possession, etc… Good luck in prison.
[quote]Severiano wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
I’m curious about something, X.
Do you believe that the (real and accurate) per capita crime rate is higher among blacks than among whites in the US, or that that question is unanswerable?[/quote]
I know you didn’t ask me, but I think the question should be more specific.
If it’s per capita you meed to say there is no distinction between white and blue collar crime.
Keep in mind the amount of people in prison for drug charges, as they are lumped in with violent criminals.
The punishments are unjust and unfair as well… If you are white collar of importance, you can spend your time in a luxury lockdown hotel. I’ve heard stories of these guys having access to everything in jail/ women, communication, etc.
It’s not just the crime, it’s the severity of punishment as well.
You can rip off millions of people and wreak havoc on the economy and spend some time in a 5 star resort jail with hookers, cell phones, and no dudes trying to poke your brown eye.
Get busted for drugs, possession, etc… Good luck in prison. [/quote]
The video I posted was about a specific (so called) crime that has equal amount of offenders per capita and blacks are prosecuted 4 to 1 over whites
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
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Video’s like this don’t help the cause. It is like it was made by 7 potheads with access to good video equipment.
Any good information that video may contain is ruined by how shitty it is presented…
Just being honest. [/quote]
Good point, but I think it illustrates something we both know. The laws are in place and people are profiting off of government by keeping people in prison. You think a private prisons, and the people who make their livelihoods imprisoning people want Marijuana decriminalized? They want more laws on the books, they want more people in prison so that we as taxpayers can make them more money. You want to talk about parasites? Look at our justice system, the whole thing is a joke… Lets manufacture more laws so we can have more lawyers and more prisons… Who’s paying for it all? You and me.
They would lose a crapton of money.
As long as people don’t listen to as much information as possible, and have some ability to filter, we are boned by our own ignorance.
The funny thing is, I think this video along with implications that go along with it are very revealing. If folks on here were the least bit critical minded they would see Professors point. It’s not just Pitbulls and my loss.
People are going to write about how ignorant profiling and the war on drugs and gay marriage is in 50 years from now the same way they write about the civil rights movement.
Funny thing is, most folks on this forum aren’t the ones fighting for, “civil rights.”
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
I’m curious about something, X.
Do you believe that the (real and accurate) per capita crime rate is higher among blacks than among whites in the US, or that that question is unanswerable?[/quote]
I know you didn’t ask me, but I think the question should be more specific.
If it’s per capita you meed to say there is no distinction between white and blue collar crime.
Keep in mind the amount of people in prison for drug charges, as they are lumped in with violent criminals.
The punishments are unjust and unfair as well… If you are white collar of importance, you can spend your time in a luxury lockdown hotel. I’ve heard stories of these guys having access to everything in jail/ women, communication, etc.
It’s not just the crime, it’s the severity of punishment as well.
You can rip off millions of people and wreak havoc on the economy and spend some time in a 5 star resort jail with hookers, cell phones, and no dudes trying to poke your brown eye.
Get busted for drugs, possession, etc… Good luck in prison. [/quote]
The video I posted was about a specific (so called) crime that has equal amount of offenders per capita and blacks are prosecuted 4 to 1 over whites
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Here in Cali it’s amazing how many white people are in charge of dispensaries, grow ops, etc… 
I wonder what the statistics are specifically here in Cali.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
I’m curious about something, X.
Do you believe that the (real and accurate) per capita crime rate is higher among blacks than among whites in the US, or that that question is unanswerable?[/quote]
I know you didn’t ask me, but I think the question should be more specific.
If it’s per capita you meed to say there is no distinction between white and blue collar crime.
Keep in mind the amount of people in prison for drug charges, as they are lumped in with violent criminals.
The punishments are unjust and unfair as well… If you are white collar of importance, you can spend your time in a luxury lockdown hotel. I’ve heard stories of these guys having access to everything in jail/ women, communication, etc.
It’s not just the crime, it’s the severity of punishment as well.
You can rip off millions of people and wreak havoc on the economy and spend some time in a 5 star resort jail with hookers, cell phones, and no dudes trying to poke your brown eye.
Get busted for drugs, possession, etc… Good luck in prison. [/quote]
You know, maybe this is just my issue – I am willing to admit that – but I somehow feel irritated that a guy who is fine with the fact that his grandfather illegally broke into and and lived in my country is so filled with a myriad of complaints about the country’s legal system.
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I don’t consider what my grandfather did a crime. There was demand made in the U.S. and what he took part in allowed the United States to be successful, part of what it is today… Without illegal farm workers, we would be totally boned as a country. Without illegal Mexican labor, our Agg would have died and we wouldn’t have been able to feed people cheaply, agg is dependent on illegal labor and it has been for nearly a century… Plain and simple. You can study it if you wish, I’m sure there are some minute men who would argue otherwise… But, I’ve spent time reading, everything from published books to newspapers touting the efficacy of the bracero program as well as illegal laborers, preventing crops from rotting in the fields, etc. Hundreds of years this has been going on, but still it’s my gramps that was the criminal… It’s poetic to me… If he’s seen as a criminal, it’s something I’m proud of because he’s part of the backbone of America that will probably never get the respect he deserves, a whole class of people who are still slandered to this day who were true providers for this country.
Had he done it legally, he would have been treated like a virtual slave, as a Bracero. Nobody deserved that.
Certain laws are on the books that nobody respects. If laws are unjust, it’s up to us to break them and force change, is it not?
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
[quote]Severiano wrote:
[quote]Chushin wrote:
I’m curious about something, X.
Do you believe that the (real and accurate) per capita crime rate is higher among blacks than among whites in the US, or that that question is unanswerable?[/quote]
I know you didn’t ask me, but I think the question should be more specific.
If it’s per capita you meed to say there is no distinction between white and blue collar crime.
Keep in mind the amount of people in prison for drug charges, as they are lumped in with violent criminals.
The punishments are unjust and unfair as well… If you are white collar of importance, you can spend your time in a luxury lockdown hotel. I’ve heard stories of these guys having access to everything in jail/ women, communication, etc.
It’s not just the crime, it’s the severity of punishment as well.
You can rip off millions of people and wreak havoc on the economy and spend some time in a 5 star resort jail with hookers, cell phones, and no dudes trying to poke your brown eye.
Get busted for drugs, possession, etc… Good luck in prison. [/quote]
You know, maybe this is just my issue – I am willing to admit that – but I somehow feel irritated that a guy who is fine with the fact that his grandfather illegally broke into and and lived in my country is so filled with a myriad of complaints about the country’s legal system.
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I don’t consider what my grandfather did a crime. There was demand made in the U.S. and what he took part in allowed the United States to be successful, part of what it is today… Without illegal farm workers, we would be totally boned as a country. Without illegal Mexican labor, our Agg would have died and we wouldn’t have been able to feed people cheaply, agg is dependent on illegal labor and it has been for nearly a century… Plain and simple. You can study it if you wish, I’m sure there are some minute men who would argue otherwise… But, I’ve spent time reading, everything from published books to newspapers touting the efficacy of the bracero program as well as illegal laborers, preventing crops from rotting in the fields, etc. Hundreds of years this has been going on, but still it’s my gramps that was the criminal… It’s poetic to me… If he’s seen as a criminal, it’s something I’m proud of because he’s part of the backbone of America that will probably never get the respect he deserves, a whole class of people who are still slandered to this day who were true providers for this country.
Had he done it legally, he would have been treated like a virtual slave, as a Bracero. Nobody deserved that.
Certain laws are on the books that nobody respects. If laws are unjust, it’s up to us to break them and force change, is it not? [/quote]
I didn’t read past the first sentence.
I’m not interested in your tortured rationalizations for why it was ok for your grandfather to break into someone else’s country.
Frankly, I don’t see how anyone here can ever take you seriously when you shamelessly display such intellectual dishonesty.
Maybe I’ll let some of my poor, black friends know that all that injustice they complain about gives them the right to break into your home and live off your possessions. Surely you know that “sharing” your wealth would be better for the country as a whole.[/quote]
Didn’t read past the first sentence either… Too bad… I’ll show you what you have for me. Otherwise it’s not worth my energy… Peace man…
just for beans
I hope Washington Post is to your standard 
[quote]Severiano wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
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Video’s like this don’t help the cause. It is like it was made by 7 potheads with access to good video equipment.
Any good information that video may contain is ruined by how shitty it is presented…
Just being honest. [/quote]
Good point, but I think it illustrates something we both know. The laws are in place and people are profiting off of government by keeping people in prison. You think a private prisons, and the people who make their livelihoods imprisoning people want Marijuana decriminalized? They want more laws on the books, they want more people in prison so that we as taxpayers can make them more money. You want to talk about parasites? Look at our justice system, the whole thing is a joke… Lets manufacture more laws so we can have more lawyers and more prisons… Who’s paying for it all? You and me.
They would lose a crapton of money.
As long as people don’t listen to as much information as possible, and have some ability to filter, we are boned by our own ignorance.
The funny thing is, I think this video along with implications that go along with it are very revealing. If folks on here were the least bit critical minded they would see Professors point. It’s not just Pitbulls and my loss.
People are going to write about how ignorant profiling and the war on drugs and gay marriage is in 50 years from now the same way they write about the civil rights movement.
Funny thing is, most folks on this forum aren’t the ones fighting for, “civil rights.”
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By George I think he’s got it
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
just for beans
I hope Washington Post is to your standard :)[/quote]
This is more likely to garner the attention of a wider, more sophisticated audience, yes.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
just for beans
I hope Washington Post is to your standard :)[/quote]
This is more likely to garner the attention of a wider, more sophisticated audience, yes.[/quote]
I am so happy to make the accommodation ,You just have to keep reminding me about the sophistication of our PWI posters eye roll
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
just for beans
I hope Washington Post is to your standard :)[/quote]
This is more likely to garner the attention of a wider, more sophisticated audience, yes.[/quote]
I am so happy to make the accommodation ,You just have to keep reminding me about the sophistication of our PWI posters eye roll
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It’s not so much PWI poster sophistication as it is your propensity to be ass hurt when PWI posters point out the stupid shit you post.
But if it makes you feel better to blame everyone else for you being a fuck stick - well - that would be about par for the course, no?
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
That’s ONE HISPANIC gang among 1000’s
Just using them as an example.[/quote]
You got me. I’m entirely unaware of the beakdown, by race, of the tens of thousands of gangs in this country. What portion of the Hispanic population criminally violent and/or actively gang affiliated? 10%? 20%? 60%?. Are there more hispanic gang members or officers ‘of the peace’? Any evidence that racial profiling prevents more crimes/problems than it causes (Henry Louis Gates arrest controversy - Wikipedia)?
I do know that the FBI is concerned about preppers, nationalists, and constitutionalists with regard to domestic terrorism. Given the misguided, ham-handed, and ineffective profiling being done in this regard; I can only believe that they are or have been no more effective in the past. Do Malvo and Muhammed, being serial killers, count as part of the white community for which the white folks are responsible? Should Chuck Moose have excused himself because he was black?
I know from the overwhelmingly white neighborhoods that I grew up in, plenty of what is/was written off as ‘boys will be boys’ would be gang-related and/or domestic terrorism in more modern society.
[quote]drunkpig wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]pittbulll wrote:
just for beans
I hope Washington Post is to your standard :)[/quote]
This is more likely to garner the attention of a wider, more sophisticated audience, yes.[/quote]
I am so happy to make the accommodation ,You just have to keep reminding me about the sophistication of our PWI posters eye roll
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It’s not so much PWI poster sophistication as it is your propensity to be ass hurt when PWI posters point out the stupid shit you post.
But if it makes you feel better to blame everyone else for you being a fuck stick - well - that would be about par for the course, no? [/quote]
I have no ass hurt when the likes of some one that has his own definitions of words disagrees with me and beans confusing opinion with fact . It is more of the same that has been happening since I came here . It does not matter , it is the Circle Jerk Society vs Any one with a different point of view .
The way I see it once the CJS get into operating mode , the object is no longer good discussion and debate it is all about appearing to win argument