Profiling

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
Lies, damned lies, and statistics - Wikipedia [/quote] I jist know you didn’t intend to actually establish anything by this right? While I do not hold human science in the same exalted regard that most moderns do, STATISTICS are an indispensable component of the scientific method.
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Man, with your staunch inability to accept or comprehend that the statistics you are looking at only show the part of the picture that is being presented, I ain’t trying to establish anything.

The only thing that statistics are useful for in this conversation are the methodical dissemination of a giant heap of crap.

You know how I know this? Because once upon a time I was a criminal, and I know why and how people get caught, and why and how they don’t.

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[quote]SkyzykS wrote:<<< You know how I know this? Because once upon a time I was a criminal, and I know why and how people get caught, and why and how they don’t.
[/quote] YOU WERE!?!?!?!? Well bless God it’s all settled then. Friend I don’t wanna compare notes, but I’m gonna just go ahead n guess that being probably twice your age that I was in jail, for my 10th time, long before you were born.
Gym time. Later.

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[quote]Tiribulus wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:<<< You know how I know this? Because once upon a time I was a criminal, and I know why and how people get caught, and why and how they don’t.
[/quote] YOU WERE!?!?!?!? Well bless God it’s all settled then. Friend I don’t wanna compare notes, but I’m gonna just go ahead n guess that being probably twice your age that I was in jail, for my 10th time, long before you were born.
Gym time. Later.
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So you’re 82, were in jail for your 10th time before long before 1972, and have no idea that there is an entire segment of people who commit criminal acts but don’t get caught?

Keep your notes man. There is no comparison. The simple fact that it took 10 stays (maybe more) before you either learned to not get caught or quit doing what you did says enough.

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I stand corrected. You look younger than you are (a compliment), but you can go ahead tell us why your criminal past uniquely qualifies you to defy a mountain of statistics taken from decades of records. I don’t know how much I’ll be around tonight though.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:

Forget about the white man. This isn’t about him. This is about crime rates amongst minorities and the reasons, beyond simple racism, that minorities by any statistical measure commit crimes at a far higher rate than whites do. Stop deflecting attention away from that very, very basic fact. Why do you think that this is? Do you think that it is a complete fallacy to argue that there seems to be a much more acceptable, tolerant view of criminal activity amongst minorities?[/quote]

We can’t forget “the white man”. Because “the white man” exists, we can call into question whether profiling has literally warped the perception of who commits all crime since “the white man” governed majority perception during the creation of the entire culture of “the black man” in the US.

Once again, stats on who gets arrested and prosecuted do NOT tell us who is committing crime. It only tells who was looked at and who got caught.

If perception can lead to a country embracing lessening the value of a race, then perception can also influence who gets arrested for crimes based on race.

You can’t ignore this and act like statistics show who is actually committing all crime.

That is a fallacy.[/quote]

I’m not arguing that crime statistics are a completely accurate record of who is actually committing crimes. What I am arguing is that the difference between reality and the recorded statistics is not so disparate as to account for anything close to a departure from the general trend established by years of statistics. In fact, it’s always been my experience in my own life and observations that people who get caught at something get caught because they had done whatever illegal act so many times without getting caught that they became complacent and dropped their guard.

If anything, the people who get caught the most (recorded statistics) actually are much more likely to have more crimes under their belt than those who haven’t been caught and arrested, regardless of ethnic makeup. At any rate, I don’t think there is much of a reason to think that those who are caught more often are getting caught because of their race much more than the fact that they are simply criminals who commit enough crimes to eventually get caught. It just so happens that there is a very strong correlation between minorities and crimes.

The more something like crime happens in a community (racial, geographic, socioeconomic, professional, etc) the more it becomes acceptable. That doesn’t necessarily mean that there is a majority acceptance of crime in that defined community or anything even close to a majority, only that the level of acceptance is likely to be higher than other communities.

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The preponderance of white serial killers has nothing to do with a propensity for serial murder almong the melanin deficient. It is simply the fault of profiling once again: profiling frequently leads to the arrest of black murderers before they are able to commit their next murder, whereas Whitey, unsuspected and undetected, is free to commit more murder. Ending racial profiling would level the playing field, allowing blacks to compete more fairly against whites for those coveted serial killer positions.

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
The preponderance of white serial killers has nothing to do with a propensity for serial murder almong the melanin deficient. It is simply the fault of profiling once again: profiling frequently leads to the arrest of black murderers before they are able to commit their next murder, whereas Whitey, unsuspected and undetected, is free to commit more murder. Ending racial profiling would level the playing field, allowing blacks to compete more fairly against whites for those coveted serial killer positions. [/quote]
Even when I disagree I do so appreciate artful sarcasm LOL!!! Very good sir!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I actually answered you quite well.

No, RACE does not determine crime so why would it matter what COLOR the people were?

Using a medical assessment where GENEALOGY determines health risk and relating that to SKIN COLOR AND CRIME alone is ridiculous.[/quote]

Here’s a profiling question

When you walk down the sidewalk at night and someone with a rottweiler /pitt bull is approaching, do you treat the passing in the same way you would a beagle or terrier? Would it be rude to cross the street or change direction towards a lit area?

You can not paint all rottweiler and pitt bull personalities as dangerous and wishing to attack you. But if it’s me in the dark alone why would I take the chance? Just to prove how stupid yet brave?

How many white men and women have been beaten, robbed or raped in black clubs or neighborhoods because they didn’t want to appear rude or racist avoiding their proximity?

The day I see suicidal white serial killers on the news with the frequency that I see black criminals killing I will move far from that location as well.

If states spent money on mental hospital budgets instead of pushing loopy medications and allowing patients to walk the streets most of the white serial murder crimes would diminish. Also the states where serial killers do the most damage are liberal run “gun free” zones.

How many of you have seen this racist story on CNN, MSNBC or your favorite network:

Take those God-d__n hoodies down, Pull your pants up and buy a belt, cause no one wants to see your underwear or the crack of your butt.

http://www.wnd.com/?s=black+youths+rampage+through+florida+mall

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Blacks commit more crime is a fact.

Not one of you have shown this or proven this.

Showing data of arrests does NOT mean BLACKS COMMIT MORE CRIME or that it is a fact.

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I believe pro x has excellent points but there are too many risks in ignoring what is going on…

What are we to do then? The major networks are in unison with their silence because they do not wish to upset the apple cart before our government goes into full freedom robbing mode.

In a nutshell, I believe both parties are taking us down the same one world government path (both are culpable) that wishes to hamstring America and break it’s back financially.

edit: I believe this plan has been in place for many years in hopes that a collapse would invite U.N. forces not friendly to American values to step in with a solution, part of which would involve dismantling America’s constitution. Simply put they want a net around all citizens as we are seeing with NSA story and hot pursuit of eliminating weapons.

But there will be social chaos in this economic collapse. They are shaping how we will react by pitting us against one another now. Black against white, rich against poor, liberal against conservative, hetero against homo, atheist against believers, men against feminists, Muslim against… who are they against?

Class warfare. The ill informed, mostly poor black and white sheep will resort to outright murders and will be the most dangerous to be near (that’s why most survivalist preach moving far away from the cities when you see it begin) Has it begun? In a way yes.

If you are not preparing your resources and do not have a plan of action for your family your chances of survival diminish. Have a plan in the event of the worst happening here. Be strong and do not tremble. Do not believe when some say Christ has returned. It won’t happen that way.

Have your back up vials of insulin, hgh, hcg and test along with all the anastrozole, exemestane you can carry. You don’t want to have to go back in the cities for your serms because you got a leaky boob flare up.

Good luck.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Forget about the white man. This isn’t about him. This is about crime rates amongst minorities and the reasons, beyond simple racism, that minorities by any statistical measure commit crimes at a far higher rate than whites do. Stop deflecting attention away from that very, very basic fact. Why do you think that this is? Do you think that it is a complete fallacy to argue that there seems to be a much more acceptable, tolerant view of criminal activity amongst minorities?[/quote]

You know, you might want to actually go out and meet people from minority groups to answer your questions. If you did you would find the answer to the last question to be no, minorities are not more tolerant and accepting of crime. The idea that a black person is somehow OK with having his car stolen whereas a white person is not, is silly.

Separating the race/ethnicity/sex of a criminal from other variables such as socioeconomic status is the problem. Blacks do not commit crimes at a higher rate than whites (in America of course). Poor blacks commit crimes at a higher rate than wealthier people, regardless of color. Is this not obvious?

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Forget about the white man. This isn’t about him. This is about crime rates amongst minorities and the reasons, beyond simple racism, that minorities by any statistical measure commit crimes at a far higher rate than whites do. Stop deflecting attention away from that very, very basic fact. Why do you think that this is? Do you think that it is a complete fallacy to argue that there seems to be a much more acceptable, tolerant view of criminal activity amongst minorities?[/quote]

You know, you might want to actually go out and meet people from minority groups to answer your questions. If you did you would find the answer to the last question to be no, minorities are not more tolerant and accepting of crime. The idea that a black person is somehow OK with having his car stolen whereas a white person is not, is silly.

Separating the race/ethnicity/sex of a criminal from other variables such as socioeconomic status is the problem. Blacks do not commit crimes at a higher rate than whites (in America of course). Poor blacks commit crimes at a higher rate than wealthier people, regardless of color. Is this not obvious? [/quote]

Poor vs stable income is another strong correlative factor in crime rates. And guess what? Minorities are poor to a larger than whites. I guess being a convicted felon makes it harder to find a good job, as my black best friend is finding out right now.

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So what is your take on income level and crime differences between races, DB?

What is the cause?

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[quote]Varqanir wrote:
The preponderance of white serial killers has nothing to do with a propensity for serial murder almong the melanin deficient. It is simply the fault of profiling once again: profiling frequently leads to the arrest of black murderers before they are able to commit their next murder, whereas Whitey, unsuspected and undetected, is free to commit more murder. Ending racial profiling would level the playing field, allowing blacks to compete more fairly against whites for those coveted serial killer positions. [/quote]

Not far off.

The racial demographics regarding serial killers are often subject to debate. In the United States, the majority of reported and investigated serial killers are white males, from a lower-to-middle-class background, usually in their late twenties to early thirties.[6][11] However, there are African American, Asian, and Hispanic (of any race) serial killers as well, and, according to the FBI, based on percentages of the U.S. population, whites are not more likely than other races to be serial killers.[11]

Criminal profiler Pat Brown says serial killers are usually reported as white because the media typically focuses on “All-American” white and pretty female victims who were the targets of white male offenders, that crimes among minority offenders in urban communities, where crime rates are higher, are under-investigated, and that minority serial killers likely exist at the same ratios as white serial killers for the population.

She believes that the myth that serial killers are always white might have become “truth” in some research fields due to the over-reporting of white serial killers in the media.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Forget about the white man. This isn’t about him. This is about crime rates amongst minorities and the reasons, beyond simple racism, that minorities by any statistical measure commit crimes at a far higher rate than whites do. Stop deflecting attention away from that very, very basic fact. Why do you think that this is? Do you think that it is a complete fallacy to argue that there seems to be a much more acceptable, tolerant view of criminal activity amongst minorities?[/quote]

You know, you might want to actually go out and meet people from minority groups to answer your questions. If you did you would find the answer to the last question to be no, minorities are not more tolerant and accepting of crime. The idea that a black person is somehow OK with having his car stolen whereas a white person is not, is silly.

Separating the race/ethnicity/sex of a criminal from other variables such as socioeconomic status is the problem. Blacks do not commit crimes at a higher rate than whites (in America of course). Poor blacks commit crimes at a higher rate than wealthier people, regardless of color. Is this not obvious? [/quote]

Poor vs stable income is another strong correlative factor in crime rates. And guess what? Minorities are poor to a larger than whites. I guess being a convicted felon makes it harder to find a good job, as my black best friend is finding out right now.[/quote]
But not every poor person is a minority and not every wealthy person is white so maybe economic profiling is superior to racial profiling. Or perhaps what professional LEOs do is the better option: behavioral profiling. But what do they know.

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[quote]zecarlo wrote:

But not every poor person is a minority and not every wealthy person is white so maybe economic profiling is superior to racial profiling. Or perhaps what professional LEOs do is the better option: behavioral profiling. But what do they know. [/quote]

Yeah, but can you imagine the shitstorm that would ensue if the police admitted that they were were profiling not black people, but niggas?!

I’m not sure if even Samuel Jackson explaining the distinction would help.

“Don’t start tripping and shit calling me a racist cause I don’t mean nigga in a disrespectful way. I mean it as a term for ignorant motherfucker. Anybody of any race can be an ignorant motherfucker!”

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I don’t have an answer other than revenge and the fact that blacks getting caught evidently don’t plan their crimes through to the extent that Asians or white euro’s do:

…here’s what we do know: Hundreds of black people rampaged through downtown Detroit Saturday night: Breaking things. Beating up people. Throwing chairs inside restaurants. Threatening. Fighting. Running. Much of it on video.
Read more at Detroit facing surge of black violence

…Seattle may not have the day-in, day-out, racial violence of a Chicago, or the peculiar racial anarchy of small-town Peoria. But more and more people are paying attention to the increasingly visible and brutish mayhem groups of black people are visiting on a pregnant woman, veterans, old people, young people, gay people, Asians and everyone in between.
Read more at Seattle in denial about black mobs

How do you explain these attacks on homosexuals black or white?

…such was the case when hundreds of black people raged through a crowd at an outdoor summer movie festival in an Atlanta gay neighborhood. One witness was so unhappy at the newspapers lack of coverage, he reported it himself on YouTube.

What happened last night (June 3) at Screen on the Green was not simply fights between unruly teens as the local TV stations would like their audiences to believe. These savages went ape and hunted down gays and lesbians to attack! the report said.

At least one other article about the widespread black-on-gay violence appeared in the local gay paper. According to Jesse Rhodes, a gay person: We felt like sitting ducks. They were definitely targeting gay people. One of my good friends, who is gay and works at Swinging Richards, got jumped by five people and beat up…

Rhodes added, according to the article, that when he was walking out of the park he was called f_____ and other obscenities and said women at the event were also called lesbians
Read more at 'Perfect storm' of black violence on 'gays'

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

But, no one claimed blacks are prone to crime. In fact the people you started this nonsense with have stated the opposite over and over. That being black doesn’t make you prone to anything.[/quote]

Yes, they say this while making statements in the very same line that state that ethnicity shows you probably of criminal intent.

That isn’t logical.[/quote]

I’m surprised you don’t see through it. The majority on this thread and on these forums fully buy into existing hegemony of the system, which they will argue up and down isn’t racist, but somehow objective in profiling via the circular logic of pointing at conviction rates with increased profiling. That people even attempt to justify this is asinine. If this is justified there is disfluency, and people like yourself as well as people like me are just explained away via false cause fallacies built on the hegemony of institutional racism.

Disfluency comes from people not being able, or unwilling to relate, which leads to being judged more critically. Once something is seen as a little different, we are more naturally apt to critically judge, kinda like if you came across an oddly shaped M&M or Tomato, if it doesn’t fit your general expectations in appearance, you are going to spend more time examining it, etc before you eat it, usually you think it’s a little inferior, but it will do the job, sometimes you might forgo that strangely shaped, put perfectly good tomato. I stand by what I said earlier, the majority feel that one way or another they are morally superior. Be it group dynamics, culturally, or individually. It is why you see folks asking you and me and Islam to police their own, or site very rare examples of blacks getting out of the house and beating up on gays lol. But wash their hands clean of guys like Jeff Dahmer, BTK etc. It’d also asinine for me to look at every other white dude and have my critical mind wonder and judge whether he’s psychopathic serial killer. Does being white logically warrant suspicion? Nah, of course not. Profiling is a broken solution to an old problem.

It’s why you see so many justifying institutional racism.

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[quote]Chushin wrote:

[quote]Severiano wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

But, no one claimed blacks are prone to crime. In fact the people you started this nonsense with have stated the opposite over and over. That being black doesn’t make you prone to anything.[/quote]

Yes, they say this while making statements in the very same line that state that ethnicity shows you probably of criminal intent.

That isn’t logical.[/quote]

It’d also asinine for me to look at every other white dude and have my critical mind wonder and judge whether he’s psychopathic serial killer. Does being white logically warrant suspicion? [/quote]

And yet you (and many black people) are perfectly happy to begin with an assumption that most white people are racist and /or act out of racism.[/quote]

Nah, not enough time to go around hating. I give folks back what they show me. It would be kind of odd for me to go around hating people who share my own ancestry, as I’m a mutt and have a little bit of every region in my Genealogy, EVERY region.