[quote]godsrealson wrote:
Ok thank you. That helps a lot, just a few questions about what an actual training day would look like. Say for chest day, do 2 or 3 exercises and then some isolation work…how would it look in terms of volume and sets/reps. Are some days high rep sets, or should everyday be ramping up to a heavy triple or double. I realize this will change based on goals and levels, but what would you recommend to start with. Similarly, how do you feel about training to failure? Thanks for everything[/quote]
See, this is why only READING on the internet is going to literally fuck some of you up. I am referring to the way you see things. There used to be no huge distinction between what was “isolation” and what was “compound”. It was understood that you need BOTH and that you trained what was considered the “mass builders” first in a work out (meaning the exercises that caused the greatest growth potential which for chest would be big pressing movements and for legs would be squats or leg presses). Short of a pec deck, you won’t be training your chest in “isolation”…and no one in their right mind is going to have you focus on a pec deck as a main exercise because it doesn’t work to build the most mass on your chest…not because it is “compound” or “isolation” specifically.
I also know you aren’t to blame for why you think that way.
Moving on, as a newb, for chest I would recommend something like
Bench press (3-4 sets_ ramping up in weight)
incline press
dumbbell press
and then maybe throw in a few sets of pec deck or cable cross overs just to get more blood into the area.
I spent some time using a smith machine instead of the dummbbells.
I didn’t worry about higher rep sets until about 2 years ago, so no, I would not recommend you spend much time worrying about that unless you are at risk of injury.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
a schedule could look like:
Mon- Biceps, back
Tues - Chest, Triceps
wed-rest
Thursday - Legs
Friday - shoulders[/quote]X, would you recommend Heavy BB Shrugs on both Monday’s and Friday’s workouts ?
[/quote]
I have only trained traps on shoulder day. It is really a matter of preference seeing as this is based on when you can hit with the most force. I know I personally am to tanked after training my back the way it is to add another exercise like heavy shrugs. They fit in better with shoulders for me.
Hi there Professor X. I read through the thread and I observed you methodology and psychology.
Now I have my problem regarding my biceps and I tough an opinion/advice from you won’t kill me. I have to mention first that I’m training 5 days per week using CT’s concept and his rules and that I’m gaining LBM and I feel most of my muscles exeperiencing rapid strength and size increases.
For biceps I usually go with using mechanical drop sets, constant tension stuff and pump stuff.
The real problem is that triceps strength has increased but not that much for biceps. I did started out weak, curling 5 lbs barbell for 5-6 repsthe first time I started training 2 years ago. Now curently I CAN curl 35 lbs dumbells for 6 good reps per arm. So to cut the long short and to go straight to the question: Should I start to use ramping and cheating to get to heavier weights and forget about fatigue stuff or I need to trash my biceps with more fatigue work?
NOTE: the last time I DID train biceps for strength, 9-10 months ago I got some ugly reddish-purple stretch-marks on my corcobrachialis that’s why I stopped being concerned with strength work but surprisingly I still had minor strength gains because when I stopped focusing on the weights I could curl those 35s for 2 good reps and 4 cheated.
I tought that maybe your opinion would clear out some things to me.
[quote]Achilles of war wrote:
How do you recommend someone train splitting then chest to fill it out more[/quote]
I don’t unless you actually NEED to do that. My upper chest was lagging behind leaving my collar bone more prominent even though I must have weighed over 220lbs at the time, so I started splitting my chest into upper and lower. That was not a recommendation for all people. My chest was already “filled out”, it just wasn’t the size it is now. If you are a newb, your main focus should be building overall size, not worrying about “lagging body parts”.
[quote]Gaby 2700 wrote:
Hi there Professor X. I read through the thread and I observed you methodology and psychology.
Now I have my problem regarding my biceps and I tough an opinion/advice from you won’t kill me. I have to mention first that I’m training 5 days per week using CT’s concept and his rules and that I’m gaining LBM and I feel most of my muscles exeperiencing rapid strength and size increases.
For biceps I usually go with using mechanical drop sets, constant tension stuff and pump stuff.
The real problem is that triceps strength has increased but not that much for biceps. I did started out weak, curling 5 lbs barbell for 5-6 repsthe first time I started training 2 years ago. Now curently I CAN curl 35 lbs dumbells for 6 good reps per arm. So to cut the long short and to go straight to the question: Should I start to use ramping and cheating to get to heavier weights and forget about fatigue stuff or I need to trash my biceps with more fatigue work?
NOTE: the last time I DID train biceps for strength, 9-10 months ago I got some ugly reddish-purple stretch-marks on my corcobrachialis that’s why I stopped being concerned with strength work but surprisingly I still had minor strength gains because when I stopped focusing on the weights I could curl those 35s for 2 good reps and 4 cheated.
I tought that maybe your opinion would clear out some things to me.
Thanks in advance. [/quote]
You have been lifting for YEARS and can only curl the 35lbs dumbbells.
You stopped training arms “for strength” when you got some stretch marks.
You are worried about “drop sets” before you can curl heavier than a 35lbs dumbbell.
[quote]RobRaynerBB wrote:
I think its a chick ^^^[1]
If it is, then I apologize and the answer is, “there is nothing wrong with some cheating and you should have been ramping up in weight used from the beginning. I have never trained any other way.”
[quote]RobRaynerBB wrote:
I think its a chick ^^^[1]
If it is, then I apologize and the answer is, “there is nothing wrong with some cheating and you should have been ramping up in weight used from the beginning. I have never trained any other way.”[/quote]
Oh, excuse me for occuping your time but there’s no use. I may have been slightly demotiveted and becoming desperate at the time I posted but now, being able to think clear I can figure this out on my own.
1st up I’m not that good at unilateral work and will (as until now) focus on unilateral stuff.
I don’t get what the standard weight I should be curling at the time (talking barbell stuff).
2nd: I will surely NOT do what you just said. The last time I did employed cheating I got lower back pain and got a wrist to “pop” really ugly.
After that I started going lighter sets (like 90 lbs or so) and doing 20-25 sets per workout. It’s great but after 6 weeks the body gets pretty used to it. Since CT recommended fatigue work, I’m getting the biggest pumps of my life.
You know what I should be talking this much because nobody will listen anyway and I’m NOT “certified” to explain how I train to those who use other concepts than I.
Now I’m sorry for posting that question and taking away your “precious” time of implementing your doctrine and making yourself look all-knowing and all-mighty. I’ve got no more questions for you sir and alo pleas don’t take it personal.
[quote]RobRaynerBB wrote:
I think its a chick ^^^[1]
If it is, then I apologize and the answer is, “there is nothing wrong with some cheating and you should have been ramping up in weight used from the beginning. I have never trained any other way.”[/quote]
Oh, excuse me for occuping your time but there’s no use. I may have been slightly demotiveted and becoming desperate at the time I posted but now, being able to think clear I can figure this out on my own.
1st up I’m not that good at unilateral work and will (as until now) focus on unilateral stuff.
I don’t get what the standard weight I should be curling at the time (talking barbell stuff).
2nd: I will surely NOT do what you just said. The last time I did employed cheating I got lower back pain and got a wrist to “pop” really ugly.
After that I started going lighter sets (like 90 lbs or so) and doing 20-25 sets per workout. It’s great but after 6 weeks the body gets pretty used to it. Since CT recommended fatigue work, I’m getting the biggest pumps of my life.
You know what I should be talking this much because nobody will listen anyway and I’m NOT “certified” to explain how I train to those who use other concepts than I.
Now I’m sorry for posting that question and taking away your “precious” time of implementing your doctrine and making yourself look all-knowing and all-mighty. I’ve got no more questions for you sir and alo pleas don’t take it personal.[/quote]
I am erasing your posts in this thread as you clearly don’t care what I have to say and haven’t even acknowledged if you are male or female.
I will leave this post here for a couple more hours though before it gets erased.
[quote]RobRaynerBB wrote:
I think its a chick ^^^[1]
If it is, then I apologize and the answer is, “there is nothing wrong with some cheating and you should have been ramping up in weight used from the beginning. I have never trained any other way.”[/quote]
Oh, excuse me for occuping your time but there’s no use. I may have been slightly demotiveted and becoming desperate at the time I posted but now, being able to think clear I can figure this out on my own.
1st up I’m not that good at unilateral work and will (as until now) focus on unilateral stuff.
I don’t get what the standard weight I should be curling at the time (talking barbell stuff).
2nd: I will surely NOT do what you just said. The last time I did employed cheating I got lower back pain and got a wrist to “pop” really ugly.
After that I started going lighter sets (like 90 lbs or so) and doing 20-25 sets per workout. It’s great but after 6 weeks the body gets pretty used to it. Since CT recommended fatigue work, I’m getting the biggest pumps of my life.
You know what I should be talking this much because nobody will listen anyway and I’m NOT “certified” to explain how I train to those who use other concepts than I.
Now I’m sorry for posting that question and taking away your “precious” time of implementing your doctrine and making yourself look all-knowing and all-mighty. I’ve got no more questions for you sir and alo pleas don’t take it personal.[/quote]
I am erasing your posts in this thread as you clearly don’t care what I have to say and haven’t even acknowledged if you are male or female.
I will leave this post here for a couple more hours though before it gets erased.[/quote]
Thank you X. That was some blatant disrespect. Why would someone come to a thread where you can ask someone successful how to get it done right while saving time and then cop an attitude because you were answered in a timely manner with correct information is just out of this world? Guess they were to dumb to realize you are a moderator.
I haven’t read through all the pages so hopefully I’m not asking an old question. I read in a few threads that you used to or still do box. Could you give us some insight on your training? What attracted you to that over other martial arts( unless you did others as well)? Were you still bodybuilding while boxing at the same time? Would you use it as a method of cardio now while you are in your profession with your current lifting schedule.
[quote]Onslaught2099 wrote:
I haven’t read through all the pages so hopefully I’m not asking an old question. I read in a few threads that you used to or still do box. Could you give us some insight on your training? What attracted you to that over other martial arts( unless you did others as well)? Were you still bodybuilding while boxing at the same time? Would you use it as a method of cardio now while you are in your profession with your current lifting schedule.
Thanks in advance.[/quote]
I don’t do that anymore “formally”. My dad got me into martial arts when I was still in grade school. We are also related to a well known boxer so it sort of just fit. I spent some time in school searching out places I could spar or continue training before I basically just gave it up for more time in the gym. I never took it seriously enough to compete in anything. My main goal was to simply learn how to defend myself. I knew one guy in college who knew Aikido. During one summer intern at University of Iowa (not the university I went to but where I did research), we ran into each other and he started teaching me what he knew. That is pretty much my background in it…finding people who knew something and getting them to teach me.
Come to think of it, I guess I did most things that way.
You’ve lost all of my respect. You seem very immature. You posted something very similar in CT’s LiveSpill this morning. It takes a lot of balls to leave a smartass comment for someone that takes personal time out of their day to help others.
[quote]Onslaught2099 wrote:
I haven’t read through all the pages so hopefully I’m not asking an old question. I read in a few threads that you used to or still do box. Could you give us some insight on your training? What attracted you to that over other martial arts( unless you did others as well)? Were you still bodybuilding while boxing at the same time? Would you use it as a method of cardio now while you are in your profession with your current lifting schedule.
Thanks in advance.[/quote]
I don’t do that anymore “formally”. My dad got me into martial arts when I was still in grade school. We are also related to a well known boxer so it sort of just fit. I spent some time in school searching out places I could spar or continue training before I basically just gave it up for more time in the gym. I never took it seriously enough to compete in anything. My main goal was to simply learn how to defend myself. I knew one guy in college who knew Aikido. During one summer intern at University of Iowa (not the university I went to but where I did research), we ran into each other and he started teaching me what he knew. That is pretty much my background in it…finding people who knew something and getting them to teach me.
Come to think of it, I guess I did most things that way.[/quote]
To the guy whose post got deleted (rightfully so):
WHO THE FUCK CHEATS WITH THEIR LOWER BACK?
Your lower back is locked in place/arched with your abs braced no matter whether you squat (more arch here usually of course), deadlift, row, or do curls. Especially cheat curls. Or even bent laterals or cheating laterals.
This is totally basic weight training knowledge.
If you get back pain when cheating some on your curls then you are doing it wrong (i.e. letting your lower back move and/or your pelvis tilt wrong, instead of getting the motion out of your hip joints… Or you have weak abs or something so you are lacking counter-pressure from the front against your low back arch).
The cheat-part comes from the hip joints (i.e. via hamstrings and glutes). Same as on an olympic lift for example (just to a lesser degree).
Just wanted to mention this because people make the same mistake all over the internet and completely misunderstand how to cheat properly for reasons beyond the ken of anyone with a brain and basic knowledge of human anatomy and biomechanics.
Didn’t you guys know? Gaby is a boy born with female arms! That’s why he obsesses about them so intensely and is always harassing CT about how to build his uniceps into the teens!!!
