[quote]countingbeans wrote:
l
either a misguided teen, or trolling at this point. [/quote]
Don’t forget Euro…they never think the U.S. is right about anything.
/lifts pinky in air, fires up le smoke
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
but I’ll say most CEOs didn’t just wake up one day and were handed the position. Did a lot have a good helping hand due to their inherited position in life? Sure. Is that their fault? No. Are they the best people to run a company? Most of the times, yes, b/c it’s not easy to run a company and they happened to have the resources available to them to learn how to. And if your life as a CEO is easy, you most likely put in a lot of work in the beginning and did a good job of hiring people underneath you and you now have a well running company which doesn’t require a ton of attention.
Most CEO’s (executives in general) I know work 60+ hours a week, have ruined families, and have major health issues. Sounds like an easy life to me…
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Anyone who doesn’t know that CEO’s, upper management and ownership work longer, harder, and have more stress than anyone in that company, and actually makes the laughable claim that they don’t, is greatly out of touch with reality. (Either due to some professor at college who doesn’t know what he or she is talking about, or just a general lack of life experience to speak knowledgeably on a topic.)
If someone on the street said to you “2+2=banana” would you continue to have a conversation with them?
In the case of ownership, the early stages of a business will see significantly more than the later stages of a career like you said, but also like you said, the only way the workload is diminished is because it is delegated to other upper management. Certain industries, insurance broker is a good example, will eventually “run themselves” if you hire the right staff, but all this does is allow the owner (CEO) to step out of the office and go sell…
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
l
either a misguided teen, or trolling at this point. [/quote]
Don’t forget Euro…they never think the U.S. is right about anything.
/lifts pinky in air, fires up le smoke[/quote]
Eh, we’ve had other american’s try and argue with me that “CEO’s don’t work hard, and are idiots” on here before.
PJ92x,
Paris Hilton inherited a very large majority of her wealth. Having money does not mean you know how to make money, or even keep money.
There is a difference between being rich and being wealthy.
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
The way I see it is that there are smart people and not-so-smart people. The smart people can get enough altitude to piece together what opportunities exist for them - REGARDLESS of what “market” they find themselves in. Then they either complain about it or take action to take advantage of the whatever the situation is. Those who are smart, but feel entitled (i.e. LAZY mutherfuckers) simply complain about “how unfair” it is and rail against whatever system they feel is “oppressing them” (they generally become teachers or work for the government).
Those who are smart and have even a MODICUM of discipline or work ethic lift their skirts, grab their balls, take a risk and make shit happen. Sometimes they fail. Sometimes they give up and allow “the system” to crush their dreams. OR… they adapt, learn from their mistakes and try again and again and again until they succeed.
Then we have our “not-so-smart” people. They exist because someone will always have to clean the toilet and take out the trash. They serve a useful function (most of the time). But they are generally not very bright, easily manipulated and very jealous of the “smart” people who worked hard to get where they are. They think “the pie is big enough for everyone” and “I ‘deserve’ to have this or that”. Fuck them - they don’t “deserve” shit. They didn’t earn it. Unfortunately, here in the USA, we gave those people the right to vote, which in my humble opinion, will ultimately lead to our downfall.
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You are a very ignorant and slightly comical retard.
Please tell me again how a CEO works harder than a kid born into poverty who works for minimum wage.
My grandfather ran his own business and he was the laziest guy I knew. When it comes to wages under this economic system hard work is not what makes someone rich.
It’s easy to do well in school if you are not from a deprived area where you get beat up for doing your homework. It’s easy to get a job when you went to a good school had a car given to you at 16 and had a financially secure upper class family.
It takes more hard work to be a cleaner a builder or a waiter than it does to sit at a desk and do no manual work.
If you are not working you are not really creating capital, you are a part of a service sector that sells the stolen wealth of third world nations and sell it to the masses
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Seeing as how my post was not addressed to you and you are calling me an ignorant comical retard, I can only assume you are trolling. But hey - let’s have some fun.
Me thinks English is not your first language, or you are severely lacking in reading comprehension. NOWHERE did I say that a CEO “physically works harder” than, say, a dishwasher. I said they were smarter. As a someone who has owned, run, bought and sold businesses, I can assure you that the hours and stress FAR exceed that of a dishwasher (or cleaner or builder or other laborer). I am smarter than the average bear and I have chosen several income vehicles throughout my adult life that have yielded some very pleasing financial results.
I am also a felon without a HS diploma. And for the record, I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth. Far from it - my mother was literally a whore and I got beaten by different “daddies” on a regular basis (wound up in the hospital several times), left home at sixteen lived on the streets of Baltimore city and wound up in prison. And while I did not care to do my homework, I assure you no one would have had the balls to beat me up if I had.
So why, according to your limited little world view, am I able to make the kind of income I make (250K + per year)? I mean, I “should” be on welfare or strung out on heroin because I’m a victim of this evil society that exploited me.
OOOOOOR, maybe you are full of shit. I got out of prison, made some smart decisions about where to work and what to do for a living, invested wisely, bought several properties and leveraged some profits that enabled me to buy and sell several business for a very nice profit. All the while working a w-2 job as a commercial electrician (with a few years off for a Mortgage brokerage venture).
If I can do that, why can’t anyone else? BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT AS SMART AS ME, THEY WON’T WORK HARDER THAN ME, THEY FEEL ENTITLED TO SOMETHING AND REFUSE TO TAKE ACTION TO EVOLVE FROM THEIR PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCE. No one gave me anything. No one lent me any start up money. No one told me the “best course of action” - in fact most of the “advice” I received from my immediate family was dead wrong. I figured it out the hard way by falling down, picking myself up and learning from my mistakes.
My life story blows your entire pathetic argument out of the water.[/quote]
Tesla died a broke man, are you claiming you are smarter than Tesla?
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If you regard money as the only measure of success, then that would make Paris’ parents “smarter”. But Success doesn’t equal money. Seems like that is the only thing you measure yourself by. I think that says a lot about you.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
l
either a misguided teen, or trolling at this point. [/quote]
Don’t forget Euro…they never think the U.S. is right about anything.
/lifts pinky in air, fires up le smoke[/quote]
Eh, we’ve had other american’s try and argue with me that “CEO’s don’t work hard, and are idiots” on here before.
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I think what people forget is that in a lot of instances people aren’t paid based on the amount of work or the difficulty of the work. Pay is based off the rarity of the skill, how marketable that skill is, and how expensive it is to train someone that skill. If I can do something only a handful of other people can do (be it a professional athlete, a Fortune 500 CEO, or a top 25 hedge fund manager) then you have far more leverage when negotiating your pay than typical manual laborer or office worker.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
l
either a misguided teen, or trolling at this point. [/quote]
Don’t forget Euro…they never think the U.S. is right about anything.
/lifts pinky in air, fires up le smoke[/quote]
Eh, we’ve had other american’s try and argue with me that “CEO’s don’t work hard, and are idiots” on here before.
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I think what people forget is that in a lot of instances people aren’t paid based on the amount of work or the difficulty of the work. Pay is based off the rarity of the skill, how marketable that skill is, and how expensive it is to train someone that skill. If I can do something only a handful of other people can do (be it a professional athlete, a Fortune 500 CEO, or a top 25 hedge fund manager) then you have far more leverage when negotiating your pay than typical manual laborer or office worker.
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Exactly, salary is almost always based on leverage…what skills can you bring to the table, how can you make the company more profitable.
The glaring exception of course is working for the government…witness the ObamaCare website debacle.
[quote]jbpick86 wrote:
I think what people forget is that in a lot of instances people aren’t paid based on the amount of work or the difficulty of the work. Pay is based off the rarity of the skill, how marketable that skill is, and how expensive it is to train someone that skill. If I can do something only a handful of other people can do (be it a professional athlete, a Fortune 500 CEO, or a top 25 hedge fund manager) then you have far more leverage when negotiating your pay than typical manual laborer or office worker.
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This is spot on. Income inequality is certainly an issue, but the issue is more to do with the decaying of the middle class than the rise of the upper class. Profitable, middle class jobs have been dying off. Replaced with lower class work that more people can do which lowers the value of the work. This probably has more to do with economic shifts over the last 30 years in automation and off-shoring than anything a politician has specifically done. I’m not going to argue it isn’t something worth thinking about, but it probably doesn’t really have a whole lot to do with governments and the solution is certainly not something the government can deal with easily. I don’t view take all Bill Gates shit as a viable option because I realize even when we take all his shit that’s not going to make things equal nor should it be what we do in the first place.
Anything that can be done by a majority of people is not going to pay that well. Anything that a few people can do IS going to pay well. I don’t deserve to make what Peyton Manning does because it is much tougher to be Peyton Manning than H factor. Not everyone can do my work, but far more people can than do what he does. The issue is everyone wants to look at fairness, but markets don’t operate on fairness. They never have and never will. We need people to clean the school bathrooms, but cleaning the school bathroom is not a valuable skill. It’s not difficult to learn. It may be hard work and it may be work not everyone wants to do, but it isn’t VALUABLE. For the most part people only get paid a lot when they can do stuff few others can.
Paris Hilton is a poor example because she inherited much of her wealth. That is just a pure lottery. I will get more wealth when my parents die than someone who’s parents have nothing. Paris Hilton got more wealth by being born a Hilton than I will ever have in my entire life. Right or wrong that’s just pure luck. The issue is when people expect a mixed market economy such as ours to be fair in all instances. Fair is fucking subjective anyways. I think it would be fair if everyone on this forum gave me everything they had so I didn’t have to do shit.
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
[quote]angry chicken wrote:
The way I see it is that there are smart people and not-so-smart people. The smart people can get enough altitude to piece together what opportunities exist for them - REGARDLESS of what “market” they find themselves in. Then they either complain about it or take action to take advantage of the whatever the situation is. Those who are smart, but feel entitled (i.e. LAZY mutherfuckers) simply complain about “how unfair” it is and rail against whatever system they feel is “oppressing them” (they generally become teachers or work for the government).
Those who are smart and have even a MODICUM of discipline or work ethic lift their skirts, grab their balls, take a risk and make shit happen. Sometimes they fail. Sometimes they give up and allow “the system” to crush their dreams. OR… they adapt, learn from their mistakes and try again and again and again until they succeed.
Then we have our “not-so-smart” people. They exist because someone will always have to clean the toilet and take out the trash. They serve a useful function (most of the time). But they are generally not very bright, easily manipulated and very jealous of the “smart” people who worked hard to get where they are. They think “the pie is big enough for everyone” and “I ‘deserve’ to have this or that”. Fuck them - they don’t “deserve” shit. They didn’t earn it. Unfortunately, here in the USA, we gave those people the right to vote, which in my humble opinion, will ultimately lead to our downfall.
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You are a very ignorant and slightly comical retard.
Please tell me again how a CEO works harder than a kid born into poverty who works for minimum wage.
My grandfather ran his own business and he was the laziest guy I knew. When it comes to wages under this economic system hard work is not what makes someone rich.
It’s easy to do well in school if you are not from a deprived area where you get beat up for doing your homework. It’s easy to get a job when you went to a good school had a car given to you at 16 and had a financially secure upper class family.
It takes more hard work to be a cleaner a builder or a waiter than it does to sit at a desk and do no manual work.
If you are not working you are not really creating capital, you are a part of a service sector that sells the stolen wealth of third world nations and sell it to the masses
[/quote]
Seeing as how my post was not addressed to you and you are calling me an ignorant comical retard, I can only assume you are trolling. But hey - let’s have some fun.
Me thinks English is not your first language, or you are severely lacking in reading comprehension. NOWHERE did I say that a CEO “physically works harder” than, say, a dishwasher. I said they were smarter. As a someone who has owned, run, bought and sold businesses, I can assure you that the hours and stress FAR exceed that of a dishwasher (or cleaner or builder or other laborer). I am smarter than the average bear and I have chosen several income vehicles throughout my adult life that have yielded some very pleasing financial results.
I am also a felon without a HS diploma. And for the record, I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth. Far from it - my mother was literally a whore and I got beaten by different “daddies” on a regular basis (wound up in the hospital several times), left home at sixteen lived on the streets of Baltimore city and wound up in prison. And while I did not care to do my homework, I assure you no one would have had the balls to beat me up if I had.
So why, according to your limited little world view, am I able to make the kind of income I make (250K + per year)? I mean, I “should” be on welfare or strung out on heroin because I’m a victim of this evil society that exploited me.
OOOOOOR, maybe you are full of shit. I got out of prison, made some smart decisions about where to work and what to do for a living, invested wisely, bought several properties and leveraged some profits that enabled me to buy and sell several business for a very nice profit. All the while working a w-2 job as a commercial electrician (with a few years off for a Mortgage brokerage venture).
If I can do that, why can’t anyone else? BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT AS SMART AS ME, THEY WON’T WORK HARDER THAN ME, THEY FEEL ENTITLED TO SOMETHING AND REFUSE TO TAKE ACTION TO EVOLVE FROM THEIR PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCE. No one gave me anything. No one lent me any start up money. No one told me the “best course of action” - in fact most of the “advice” I received from my immediate family was dead wrong. I figured it out the hard way by falling down, picking myself up and learning from my mistakes.
My life story blows your entire pathetic argument out of the water.[/quote]
Tesla died a broke man, are you claiming you are smarter than Tesla?
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LMAO
wow
He’s gone full retard. You never go full retard…
[quote]Pj92x wrote:
Tesla died a broke man, are you claiming you are smarter than Tesla?
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Tesla was a bit of an altruist.
to PJ92x…
this is in regards to the tesla vs paris hilton so called “capitalist argument.”
paris hilton is the great-granddaughter of conrad hilton, the founder of Hilton Hotels.
why didn’t you compare conrad hilton to tesla’s main rival thomas edison for your argument?
north korea’s kim jong-un is not a capitalist and also has more than tesla ever dreamed of having. i’m also pretty sure none of north korea’s scientists have much more than tesla had. why? unrewarded genius is almost a proverb.
liberals are one step thinkers. PJ92x you are a liberal.
the liberal mind sinks to empty headed arguments on practically everything and the poster picture celebrity vs scientist in regards to capitalism makes no sense. liberalism the only place where graphs and “experts” or tenured university professors turn “their” THEORY into facts.
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
Correcting punctuation and allowing discourse are not acts of racism; they are what college professors are supposed to do.
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actually that’s what they do in elementary and high school. If I was a college professor and had to correct students’ spelling and grammar I would probably go fucking insane.
[quote]StevenF wrote:
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
Correcting punctuation and allowing discourse are not acts of racism; they are what college professors are supposed to do.
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actually that’s what they do in elementary and high school. If I was a college professor and had to correct students’ spelling and grammar I would probably go fucking insane. [/quote]
Your first word should begin with a capital letter, and the first verb of your second sentence would more properly be rendered in the subjunctive “were,” not “was.” You might also consider a comma after “grammar,” though that is a matter of taste.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]StevenF wrote:
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
Correcting punctuation and allowing discourse are not acts of racism; they are what college professors are supposed to do.
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actually that’s what they do in elementary and high school. If I was a college professor and had to correct students’ spelling and grammar I would probably go fucking insane. [/quote]
Your first word should begin with a capital letter, and the first verb of your second sentence would more properly be rendered in the subjunctive “were,” not “was.” You might also consider a comma after “grammar,” though that is a matter of taste.[/quote]
LOL. Clever.
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]StevenF wrote:
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
Correcting punctuation and allowing discourse are not acts of racism; they are what college professors are supposed to do.
[/quote]
actually that’s what they do in elementary and high school. If I was a college professor and had to correct students’ spelling and grammar I would probably go fucking insane. [/quote]
Your first word should begin with a capital letter, and the first verb of your second sentence would more properly be rendered in the subjunctive “were,” not “was.” You might also consider a comma after “grammar,” though that is a matter of taste.[/quote]
Micro-aggression!
[quote]smh_23 wrote:
[quote]StevenF wrote:
[quote]conservativedog wrote:
Correcting punctuation and allowing discourse are not acts of racism; they are what college professors are supposed to do.
[/quote]
actually that’s what they do in elementary and high school. If I was a college professor and had to correct students’ spelling and grammar I would probably go fucking insane. [/quote]
Your first word should begin with a capital letter, and the first verb of your second sentence would more properly be rendered in the subjunctive “were,” not “was.” You might also consider a comma after “grammar,” though that is a matter of taste.[/quote]
Well done sir.
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
My 100 level English professors would give goose eggs to people for [u]miss spelling[/u] even one word.
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lulz
Miss Spelling is rolling over in her grave right now…
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
My 100 level English professors would give goose eggs to people for [u]miss spelling[/u] even one word.
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lulz
Miss Spelling is rolling over in her grave right now…[/quote]
If it doesn’t get underlined by spell check I am oblivious. Without that feature I would look like a complete idiot.
She was a big fat wiccan lesbo too, so if she rolled over there would be earthquakes.