Professor Called Racist For Correcting Black Student's Grammar & Punctuation

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:
fee markets lead to liberty is in my view something highly disproven. [/quote]

oh boy…

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Isn’t that like disagreeing with the fact that liberty is liberty. Free market doesn’t lead to liberty, it is liberty as an economic model. [/quote]

Anyone can bring up issues with free markets as free markets are not perfect in the sense that they do not always lead to what some people in society want from an economic system. Free markets don’t lead to liberty is the point I don’t get. By it’s nature it is about the only liberty based model. Unless he is using liberty in a sense that is different from everyone else.

Freedom=liberty, but liberty does not equal the whole world has nothing but rainbows and ponies. Basic problem of economics is we don’t have enough resources to satisfy everyones unlimited wants.

It’s not a difficult concept. Economic systems by nature cannot work for everyone in the same way. We simply do not have the resources and never will.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:
fee markets lead to liberty is in my view something highly disproven. [/quote]

oh boy…

[/quote]

Isn’t that like disagreeing with the fact that liberty is liberty. Free market doesn’t lead to liberty, it is liberty as an economic model. [/quote]

That is one of the issues I have with that statement, yes.

And seeing as (ignoring the gray area in between that mixes the two) the alternative is the central planned market… And his response mentioned a practice long dead in America for close to 200 years, slavery, I just didn’t bother any further. [/quote]

Because you must not acknowledge that Americas wealth did not come through the free markets. American industrialisation and growth came first through slavery and indentured servitude, then it rose because after ww2 it had zero competition and monopolised whole industries. How was that a win for free markets.

And as for europe, we built our entire growth on colonisation and monopoly domination of labour, again not by free markets leading to freedom.

Adam smith was no dolt and it amazes me that people take his whole philosophy out of context, when Adam smith has far more in common with chomsky than he does with any right wing fundamentalist.

Adam smith said that under conditions of perfect liberty, markets will lead to perfect equality. He did not say that imperialism would lead to equality, he did not say indentured servitude and chattel slavery will lead to equality.

Free markets were not what adam smith though brought liberty. Adam smith saw liberty was a prerequisite for markets being free. But there have never been places that had real liberty, so we never saw markets being actually free and leading to unrestricted opportunity for everyone.

There has never been a free market. The capitalist economic system and its internal crises need intervention because the insanity of the value of labour and the profit factor leads to inequality by the fact that it creates classes of people in society that at at conflict with one anthers interests.

The state is a tool of class rule in society and it props up these unfair markets and protects the property and rights of the rich and the powerful while it leaves most of the world in abject overt as neo colonies and leaves its domestic workers poor but loyal to the imperialist power by blaming immigrants and this threat and that one for their problems, rather than the capitalist rendering surplus value from their work and making profit from their labour.

Wating for reply about how people who are not rich are not trying hard enough lol.

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:
fee markets lead to liberty is in my view something highly disproven. [/quote]

oh boy…

[/quote]

Isn’t that like disagreeing with the fact that liberty is liberty. Free market doesn’t lead to liberty, it is liberty as an economic model. [/quote]

That is one of the issues I have with that statement, yes.

And seeing as (ignoring the gray area in between that mixes the two) the alternative is the central planned market… And his response mentioned a practice long dead in America for close to 200 years, slavery, I just didn’t bother any further. [/quote]

Because you must not acknowledge that Americas wealth did not come through the free markets. American industrialisation and growth came first through slavery and indentured servitude, then it rose because after ww2 it had zero competition and monopolised whole industries. How was that a win for free markets.

And as for europe, we built our entire growth on colonisation and monopoly domination of labour, again not by free markets leading to freedom.

Adam smith was no dolt and it amazes me that people take his whole philosophy out of context, when Adam smith has far more in common with chomsky than he does with any right wing fundamentalist.

Adam smith said that under conditions of perfect liberty, markets will lead to perfect equality. He did not say that imperialism would lead to equality, he did not say indentured servitude and chattel slavery will lead to equality.

Free markets were not what adam smith though brought liberty. Adam smith saw liberty was a prerequisite for markets being free. But there have never been places that had real liberty, so we never saw markets being actually free and leading to unrestricted opportunity for everyone.

There has never been a free market. The capitalist economic system and its internal crises need intervention because the insanity of the value of labour and the profit factor leads to inequality by the fact that it creates classes of people in society that at at conflict with one anthers interests.

The state is a tool of class rule in society and it props up these unfair markets and protects the property and rights of the rich and the powerful while it leaves most of the world in abject overt as neo colonies and leaves its domestic workers poor but loyal to the imperialist power by blaming immigrants and this threat and that one for their problems, rather than the capitalist rendering surplus value from their work and making profit from their labour.

Wating for reply about how people who are not rich are not trying hard enough lol.[/quote]

Oh, so you meant wealth. Not liberty. Most of the time, the relationship between the 2 is actually inverse, but that’s besides the point. Liberty doesn’t mean happiness, it does mean free to kick yourself in the nuts. It does not mean you don’t feel the pain if you decide to kick yourself in the nuts. Two, entirely different things.

I do agree we’ve never seen truly free markets. But free markets just me economic freedom. While free markets aren’t the whole of liberty, you cannot have liberty without free markets by definition. And slavery by definition can only be under a non-free market.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:
fee markets lead to liberty is in my view something highly disproven. [/quote]

oh boy…

[/quote]

Isn’t that like disagreeing with the fact that liberty is liberty. Free market doesn’t lead to liberty, it is liberty as an economic model. [/quote]

That is one of the issues I have with that statement, yes.

And seeing as (ignoring the gray area in between that mixes the two) the alternative is the central planned market… And his response mentioned a practice long dead in America for close to 200 years, slavery, I just didn’t bother any further. [/quote]

Because you must not acknowledge that Americas wealth did not come through the free markets. American industrialisation and growth came first through slavery and indentured servitude, then it rose because after ww2 it had zero competition and monopolised whole industries. How was that a win for free markets.

And as for europe, we built our entire growth on colonisation and monopoly domination of labour, again not by free markets leading to freedom.

Adam smith was no dolt and it amazes me that people take his whole philosophy out of context, when Adam smith has far more in common with chomsky than he does with any right wing fundamentalist.

Adam smith said that under conditions of perfect liberty, markets will lead to perfect equality. He did not say that imperialism would lead to equality, he did not say indentured servitude and chattel slavery will lead to equality.

Free markets were not what adam smith though brought liberty. Adam smith saw liberty was a prerequisite for markets being free. But there have never been places that had real liberty, so we never saw markets being actually free and leading to unrestricted opportunity for everyone.

There has never been a free market. The capitalist economic system and its internal crises need intervention because the insanity of the value of labour and the profit factor leads to inequality by the fact that it creates classes of people in society that at at conflict with one anthers interests.

The state is a tool of class rule in society and it props up these unfair markets and protects the property and rights of the rich and the powerful while it leaves most of the world in abject overt as neo colonies and leaves its domestic workers poor but loyal to the imperialist power by blaming immigrants and this threat and that one for their problems, rather than the capitalist rendering surplus value from their work and making profit from their labour.

Wating for reply about how people who are not rich are not trying hard enough lol.[/quote]

Oh, so you meant wealth. Not liberty. Most of the time, the relationship between the 2 is actually inverse, but that’s besides the point. Liberty doesn’t mean happiness, it does mean free to kick yourself in the nuts. It does not mean you don’t feel the pain if you decide to kick yourself in the nuts. Two, entirely different things.

I do agree we’ve never seen truly free markets. But free markets just me economic freedom. While free markets aren’t the whole of liberty, you cannot have liberty without free markets by definition. And slavery by definition can only be under a non-free market.[/quote]

No I meant what I said. And its adam smiths doctrine. But please tell me thats not the right view of free markets.

[quote]H factor wrote:
Basic problem of economics is we don’t have enough resources to satisfy everyones unlimited wants.

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Ah, but that problem is also what drives prosperity and innovation.

Without the problem, there is no advancement.

A blessing and a curse.

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

I do agree we’ve never seen truly free markets. [/quote]

Any if we did they would likely fail due to man’s limitations. Which is coincidentally why centrally planed markets fail too. But you know all this.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

I do agree we’ve never seen truly free markets. [/quote]

Any if we did they would likely fail due to man’s limitations. Which is coincidentally why centrally planed markets fail too. But you know all this.

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So you claim that I am wrong for saying I’m against free markets, yet you acknowledge you need to unfree the market by regulating it. All capitalist free market thinkers are against ANY regulation.

So unless you advocate child labour you are objectively anti free market, thus by your own words, against liberty.

COMMUNIST HUR DUR

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

So you claim that I am wrong for saying I’m against free markets,[/quote]

No. I claimed I had a problem with you statement as it stood.

I did not say one NEEDs to do anything.

Painting with a broad brush I see. Also conflating but whatever.

Weren’t you complaining about strawmen?

How can you complain about such a thing and then post this drivel?

Are you 12?

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
Basic problem of economics is we don’t have enough resources to satisfy everyones unlimited wants.

[/quote]

Ah, but that problem is also what drives prosperity and innovation.

Without the problem, there is no advancement.

A blessing and a curse. [/quote]

Indeed. However any economic system we pick is going to have issues because of scarcity. It’s not something man can solve. I think the power of the free market with minimal regulations can work best, but nothing is going to work for everyone and give us all the rainbows and ponies. Of course most of the people in here know this, the general public not so much.

[quote]H factor wrote:
Of course most of the people in here know this, the general public not so much.[/quote]

…waiting for for the fifth time for him to write that i’m so stupid that i don’t know he has me on his forum ignore function is all i have to look forward to guys.

either that or shooting up some heroin and i already spent my thousand dollars for the day.

The way I see it is that there are smart people and not-so-smart people. The smart people can get enough altitude to piece together what opportunities exist for them - REGARDLESS of what “market” they find themselves in. Then they either complain about it or take action to take advantage of the whatever the situation is. Those who are smart, but feel entitled (i.e. LAZY mutherfuckers) simply complain about “how unfair” it is and rail against whatever system they feel is “oppressing them” (they generally become teachers or work for the government).

Those who are smart and have even a MODICUM of discipline or work ethic lift their skirts, grab their balls, take a risk and make shit happen. Sometimes they fail. Sometimes they give up and allow “the system” to crush their dreams. OR… they adapt, learn from their mistakes and try again and again and again until they succeed.

Then we have our “not-so-smart” people. They exist because someone will always have to clean the toilet and take out the trash. They serve a useful function (most of the time). But they are generally not very bright, easily manipulated and very jealous of the “smart” people who worked hard to get where they are. They think “the pie is big enough for everyone” and “I ‘deserve’ to have this or that”. Fuck them - they don’t “deserve” shit. They didn’t earn it. Unfortunately, here in the USA, we gave those people the right to vote, which in my humble opinion, will ultimately lead to our downfall.

Interesting timing here regarding GM’s new CEO and her Salary and the supposed “pay gap.”

http://autos.yahoo.com/blogs/motoramic/why-gm-pay-gap-first-female-ceo-isn-202429910.html

Again, this shows things aren’t so simple.

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
The way I see it is that there are smart people and not-so-smart people. The smart people can get enough altitude to piece together what opportunities exist for them - REGARDLESS of what “market” they find themselves in. Then they either complain about it or take action to take advantage of the whatever the situation is. Those who are smart, but feel entitled (i.e. LAZY mutherfuckers) simply complain about “how unfair” it is and rail against whatever system they feel is “oppressing them” (they generally become teachers or work for the government).

Those who are smart and have even a MODICUM of discipline or work ethic lift their skirts, grab their balls, take a risk and make shit happen. Sometimes they fail. Sometimes they give up and allow “the system” to crush their dreams. OR… they adapt, learn from their mistakes and try again and again and again until they succeed.

Then we have our “not-so-smart” people. They exist because someone will always have to clean the toilet and take out the trash. They serve a useful function (most of the time). But they are generally not very bright, easily manipulated and very jealous of the “smart” people who worked hard to get where they are. They think “the pie is big enough for everyone” and “I ‘deserve’ to have this or that”. Fuck them - they don’t “deserve” shit. They didn’t earn it. Unfortunately, here in the USA, we gave those people the right to vote, which in my humble opinion, will ultimately lead to our downfall.
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You are a very ignorant and slightly comical retard.

Please tell me again how a CEO works harder than a kid born into poverty who works for minimum wage.

My grandfather ran his own business and he was the laziest guy I knew. When it comes to wages under this economic system hard work is not what makes someone rich.

It’s easy to do well in school if you are not from a deprived area where you get beat up for doing your homework. It’s easy to get a job when you went to a good school had a car given to you at 16 and had a financially secure upper class family.

It takes more hard work to be a cleaner a builder or a waiter than it does to sit at a desk and do no manual work.

If you are not working you are not really creating capital, you are a part of a service sector that sells the stolen wealth of third world nations and sell it to the masses

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

Please tell me again how a CEO works harder than a kid born into poverty who works for minimum wage.

My grandfather ran his own business and he was the laziest guy I knew. When it comes to wages under this economic system hard work is not what makes someone rich.[/quote]

I do not know your grandfather, but I’ll say most CEOs didn’t just wake up one day and were handed the position. Did a lot have a good helping hand due to their inherited position in life? Sure. Is that their fault? No. Are they the best people to run a company? Most of the times, yes, b/c it’s not easy to run a company and they happened to have the resources available to them to learn how to. And if your life as a CEO is easy, you most likely put in a lot of work in the beginning and did a good job of hiring people underneath you and you now have a well running company which doesn’t require a ton of attention.

Most CEO’s (executives in general) I know work 60+ hours a week, have ruined families, and have major health issues. Sounds like an easy life to me…

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

It’s easy to do well in school if you are not from a deprived area where you get beat up for doing your homework. It’s easy to get a job when you went to a good school had a car given to you at 16 and had a financially secure upper class family.[/quote]

Sure, that’s easier. But I also know a lot of people who had that situation and blew it. Now they’re a rent-a-cop or a bartender or whatever. It still takes work.

I’ve also known a lot of people who grew up with me where minimum wage was pretty much the standard and found a way out. Personally, I had ZERO financial assistance, came from a small, backwards ass town to where I am now. Although I had emotional/moral support, I did it ALL ON MY OWN. No one in my family went to college. They didn’t understand how anything worked. But somehow, I went and found all the resources and put them to work in my favor.

It’s called Personal Accountability. Life isn’t fair. Shit happens. You can wallow in your own self pity or you can make the best of your situation. Not saying people don’t need help or that it’s not tough, but it’s not impossible either.

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

It takes more hard work to be a cleaner a builder or a waiter than it does to sit at a desk and do no manual work.
[/quote]

Really? I disagree. I’ve worked manual labor (waiter, stock boy, Army for 6 years, car rental person which included cleaning all the cars, picking up customers, etc) and I’ve worked desk jobs (CPA, auditor, bank teller) and can tell you they bother present their challenges and their non-challenges.

[quote]Pj92x wrote:
If you are not working you are not really creating capital, you are a part of a service sector that sells the stolen wealth of third world nations and sell it to the masses
[/quote]

But you just said a waiter is hard work…but it’s the service industry. So are they creating capital or are they leaching off of third world nations?

I’m not even sure what you are trying to say in that last quoted section. Perhaps you would like to try and reiterate your point?

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

You are a very ignorant and slightly comical retard.

Please tell me again how a CEO works harder than a kid born into poverty who works for minimum wage.

My grandfather ran his own business and he was the laziest guy I knew. When it comes to wages under this economic system hard work is not what makes someone rich.

It’s easy to do well in school if you are not from a deprived area where you get beat up for doing your homework. It’s easy to get a job when you went to a good school had a car given to you at 16 and had a financially secure upper class family.

It takes more hard work to be a cleaner a builder or a waiter than it does to sit at a desk and do no manual work.

If you are not working you are not really creating capital, you are a part of a service sector that sells the stolen wealth of third world nations and sell it to the masses
[/quote]

…how much did you pay for your heroin? seriously how much are you doing?

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
The way I see it is that there are smart people and not-so-smart people. The smart people can get enough altitude to piece together what opportunities exist for them - REGARDLESS of what “market” they find themselves in. Then they either complain about it or take action to take advantage of the whatever the situation is. Those who are smart, but feel entitled (i.e. LAZY mutherfuckers) simply complain about “how unfair” it is and rail against whatever system they feel is “oppressing them” (they generally become teachers or work for the government).

Those who are smart and have even a MODICUM of discipline or work ethic lift their skirts, grab their balls, take a risk and make shit happen. Sometimes they fail. Sometimes they give up and allow “the system” to crush their dreams. OR… they adapt, learn from their mistakes and try again and again and again until they succeed.

Then we have our “not-so-smart” people. They exist because someone will always have to clean the toilet and take out the trash. They serve a useful function (most of the time). But they are generally not very bright, easily manipulated and very jealous of the “smart” people who worked hard to get where they are. They think “the pie is big enough for everyone” and “I ‘deserve’ to have this or that”. Fuck them - they don’t “deserve” shit. They didn’t earn it. Unfortunately, here in the USA, we gave those people the right to vote, which in my humble opinion, will ultimately lead to our downfall.
[/quote]

You are a very ignorant and slightly comical retard.

Please tell me again how a CEO works harder than a kid born into poverty who works for minimum wage.

My grandfather ran his own business and he was the laziest guy I knew. When it comes to wages under this economic system hard work is not what makes someone rich.

It’s easy to do well in school if you are not from a deprived area where you get beat up for doing your homework. It’s easy to get a job when you went to a good school had a car given to you at 16 and had a financially secure upper class family.

It takes more hard work to be a cleaner a builder or a waiter than it does to sit at a desk and do no manual work.

If you are not working you are not really creating capital, you are a part of a service sector that sells the stolen wealth of third world nations and sell it to the masses
[/quote]

Seeing as how my post was not addressed to you and you are calling me an ignorant comical retard, I can only assume you are trolling. But hey - let’s have some fun.

Me thinks English is not your first language, or you are severely lacking in reading comprehension. NOWHERE did I say that a CEO “physically works harder” than, say, a dishwasher. I said they were smarter. As a someone who has owned, run, bought and sold businesses, I can assure you that the hours and stress FAR exceed that of a dishwasher (or cleaner or builder or other laborer). I am smarter than the average bear and I have chosen several income vehicles throughout my adult life that have yielded some very pleasing financial results.

I am also a felon without a HS diploma. And for the record, I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth. Far from it - my mother was literally a whore and I got beaten by different “daddies” on a regular basis (wound up in the hospital several times), left home at sixteen lived on the streets of Baltimore city and wound up in prison. And while I did not care to do my homework, I assure you no one would have had the balls to beat me up if I had.

So why, according to your limited little world view, am I able to make the kind of income I make (250K + per year)? I mean, I “should” be on welfare or strung out on heroin because I’m a victim of this evil society that exploited me.

OOOOOOR, maybe you are full of shit. I got out of prison, made some smart decisions about where to work and what to do for a living, invested wisely, bought several properties and leveraged some profits that enabled me to buy and sell several business for a very nice profit. All the while working a w-2 job as a commercial electrician (with a few years off for a Mortgage brokerage venture).

If I can do that, why can’t anyone else? BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT AS SMART AS ME, THEY WON’T WORK HARDER THAN ME, THEY FEEL ENTITLED TO SOMETHING AND REFUSE TO TAKE ACTION TO EVOLVE FROM THEIR PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCE. No one gave me anything. No one lent me any start up money. No one told me the “best course of action” - in fact most of the “advice” I received from my immediate family was dead wrong. I figured it out the hard way by falling down, picking myself up and learning from my mistakes.

My life story blows your entire pathetic argument out of the water.

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
The way I see it is that there are smart people and not-so-smart people. The smart people can get enough altitude to piece together what opportunities exist for them - REGARDLESS of what “market” they find themselves in. Then they either complain about it or take action to take advantage of the whatever the situation is. Those who are smart, but feel entitled (i.e. LAZY mutherfuckers) simply complain about “how unfair” it is and rail against whatever system they feel is “oppressing them” (they generally become teachers or work for the government).

Those who are smart and have even a MODICUM of discipline or work ethic lift their skirts, grab their balls, take a risk and make shit happen. Sometimes they fail. Sometimes they give up and allow “the system” to crush their dreams. OR… they adapt, learn from their mistakes and try again and again and again until they succeed.

Then we have our “not-so-smart” people. They exist because someone will always have to clean the toilet and take out the trash. They serve a useful function (most of the time). But they are generally not very bright, easily manipulated and very jealous of the “smart” people who worked hard to get where they are. They think “the pie is big enough for everyone” and “I ‘deserve’ to have this or that”. Fuck them - they don’t “deserve” shit. They didn’t earn it. Unfortunately, here in the USA, we gave those people the right to vote, which in my humble opinion, will ultimately lead to our downfall.
[/quote]

You are a very ignorant and slightly comical retard.

Please tell me again how a CEO works harder than a kid born into poverty who works for minimum wage.

My grandfather ran his own business and he was the laziest guy I knew. When it comes to wages under this economic system hard work is not what makes someone rich.

It’s easy to do well in school if you are not from a deprived area where you get beat up for doing your homework. It’s easy to get a job when you went to a good school had a car given to you at 16 and had a financially secure upper class family.

It takes more hard work to be a cleaner a builder or a waiter than it does to sit at a desk and do no manual work.

If you are not working you are not really creating capital, you are a part of a service sector that sells the stolen wealth of third world nations and sell it to the masses
[/quote]

Seeing as how my post was not addressed to you and you are calling me an ignorant comical retard, I can only assume you are trolling. But hey - let’s have some fun.

Me thinks English is not your first language, or you are severely lacking in reading comprehension. NOWHERE did I say that a CEO “physically works harder” than, say, a dishwasher. I said they were smarter. As a someone who has owned, run, bought and sold businesses, I can assure you that the hours and stress FAR exceed that of a dishwasher (or cleaner or builder or other laborer). I am smarter than the average bear and I have chosen several income vehicles throughout my adult life that have yielded some very pleasing financial results.

I am also a felon without a HS diploma. And for the record, I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth. Far from it - my mother was literally a whore and I got beaten by different “daddies” on a regular basis (wound up in the hospital several times), left home at sixteen lived on the streets of Baltimore city and wound up in prison. And while I did not care to do my homework, I assure you no one would have had the balls to beat me up if I had.

So why, according to your limited little world view, am I able to make the kind of income I make (250K + per year)? I mean, I “should” be on welfare or strung out on heroin because I’m a victim of this evil society that exploited me.

OOOOOOR, maybe you are full of shit. I got out of prison, made some smart decisions about where to work and what to do for a living, invested wisely, bought several properties and leveraged some profits that enabled me to buy and sell several business for a very nice profit. All the while working a w-2 job as a commercial electrician (with a few years off for a Mortgage brokerage venture).

If I can do that, why can’t anyone else? BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT AS SMART AS ME, THEY WON’T WORK HARDER THAN ME, THEY FEEL ENTITLED TO SOMETHING AND REFUSE TO TAKE ACTION TO EVOLVE FROM THEIR PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCE. No one gave me anything. No one lent me any start up money. No one told me the “best course of action” - in fact most of the “advice” I received from my immediate family was dead wrong. I figured it out the hard way by falling down, picking myself up and learning from my mistakes.

My life story blows your entire pathetic argument out of the water.[/quote]

So personal anecdote is not valid â?¦ unless you use them. Interesting. I see a bias at play.

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
The way I see it is that there are smart people and not-so-smart people. The smart people can get enough altitude to piece together what opportunities exist for them - REGARDLESS of what “market” they find themselves in. Then they either complain about it or take action to take advantage of the whatever the situation is. Those who are smart, but feel entitled (i.e. LAZY mutherfuckers) simply complain about “how unfair” it is and rail against whatever system they feel is “oppressing them” (they generally become teachers or work for the government).

Those who are smart and have even a MODICUM of discipline or work ethic lift their skirts, grab their balls, take a risk and make shit happen. Sometimes they fail. Sometimes they give up and allow “the system” to crush their dreams. OR… they adapt, learn from their mistakes and try again and again and again until they succeed.

Then we have our “not-so-smart” people. They exist because someone will always have to clean the toilet and take out the trash. They serve a useful function (most of the time). But they are generally not very bright, easily manipulated and very jealous of the “smart” people who worked hard to get where they are. They think “the pie is big enough for everyone” and “I ‘deserve’ to have this or that”. Fuck them - they don’t “deserve” shit. They didn’t earn it. Unfortunately, here in the USA, we gave those people the right to vote, which in my humble opinion, will ultimately lead to our downfall.
[/quote]

You are a very ignorant and slightly comical retard.

Please tell me again how a CEO works harder than a kid born into poverty who works for minimum wage.

My grandfather ran his own business and he was the laziest guy I knew. When it comes to wages under this economic system hard work is not what makes someone rich.

It’s easy to do well in school if you are not from a deprived area where you get beat up for doing your homework. It’s easy to get a job when you went to a good school had a car given to you at 16 and had a financially secure upper class family.

It takes more hard work to be a cleaner a builder or a waiter than it does to sit at a desk and do no manual work.

If you are not working you are not really creating capital, you are a part of a service sector that sells the stolen wealth of third world nations and sell it to the masses
[/quote]

Seeing as how my post was not addressed to you and you are calling me an ignorant comical retard, I can only assume you are trolling. But hey - let’s have some fun.

Me thinks English is not your first language, or you are severely lacking in reading comprehension. NOWHERE did I say that a CEO “physically works harder” than, say, a dishwasher. I said they were smarter. As a someone who has owned, run, bought and sold businesses, I can assure you that the hours and stress FAR exceed that of a dishwasher (or cleaner or builder or other laborer). I am smarter than the average bear and I have chosen several income vehicles throughout my adult life that have yielded some very pleasing financial results.

I am also a felon without a HS diploma. And for the record, I was not born with a silver spoon in my mouth. Far from it - my mother was literally a whore and I got beaten by different “daddies” on a regular basis (wound up in the hospital several times), left home at sixteen lived on the streets of Baltimore city and wound up in prison. And while I did not care to do my homework, I assure you no one would have had the balls to beat me up if I had.

So why, according to your limited little world view, am I able to make the kind of income I make (250K + per year)? I mean, I “should” be on welfare or strung out on heroin because I’m a victim of this evil society that exploited me.

OOOOOOR, maybe you are full of shit. I got out of prison, made some smart decisions about where to work and what to do for a living, invested wisely, bought several properties and leveraged some profits that enabled me to buy and sell several business for a very nice profit. All the while working a w-2 job as a commercial electrician (with a few years off for a Mortgage brokerage venture).

If I can do that, why can’t anyone else? BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT AS SMART AS ME, THEY WON’T WORK HARDER THAN ME, THEY FEEL ENTITLED TO SOMETHING AND REFUSE TO TAKE ACTION TO EVOLVE FROM THEIR PRESENT CIRCUMSTANCE. No one gave me anything. No one lent me any start up money. No one told me the “best course of action” - in fact most of the “advice” I received from my immediate family was dead wrong. I figured it out the hard way by falling down, picking myself up and learning from my mistakes.

My life story blows your entire pathetic argument out of the water.[/quote]

Tesla died a broke man, are you claiming you are smarter than Tesla?

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Those who are smart, but feel entitled (i.e. LAZY mutherfuckers) simply complain about “how unfair” it is and rail against whatever system they feel is “oppressing them” (they generally become teachers or work for the government).

They think “the pie is big enough for everyone” and “I ‘deserve’ to have this or that”. Fuck them - they don’t “deserve” shit. They didn’t earn it. Unfortunately, here in the USA, we gave those people the right to vote, which in my humble opinion, will ultimately lead to our downfall.
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DING DING DING…winner

lol, just lol.

Post picture from facebook that is, without a doubt, a strawman, after complaining about strawman arguments? Check.
Continue to use failed strawman to try and compare poster to Tesla? Check

either a misguided teen, or trolling at this point.