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much of the wage gap can be explained away by simply taking account of college majors. early childhood educators and social workers can expect to earn around $36,000 and $39,000, respectively. by contrast, petroleum engineering and metallurgy degrees promise median earnings of $120,000 and $80,000.

women gravitate towards jobs where they don’t work as many hours as men do.

not many aspiring early childhood educators would change course once they learn they can earn more in metallurgy or mining. the sexes, taken as a group, are somewhat different. women, far more than men, appear to be drawn to jobs in the caring professions; and men are more likely to turn up in people-free zones. in the pursuit of happiness, men and women appear to take different paths.

the white house should stop using women’s choices to construct a false claim about social inequality that is poisoning our gender debates. and if the president is truly persuaded that statistical pay disparities indicate invidious discrimination, then he should address the wage gap in his own backyard.

female staff at the white house earn 88 cents on the dollar compared to men. is there a white house war on women?

[quote]Pj92x wrote:
I am not debating that fact with you. I am saying that when you look at full time women who work as many hours as men, in each field apart from a few government job fields like education, women get less pay for equal work. [/quote]

Good fuckign lord. You start by saying you aren’t debating something with me, and then finish with the same broken claim a couple of us have pointed out is a significantly complex, and that the statistics you are referring to are, in fact, greatly effected by the example that you called a strawman…

Go back to arguing with X. You’re over your head here.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:
I am not debating that fact with you. I am saying that when you look at full time women who work as many hours as men, in each field apart from a few government job fields like education, women get less pay for equal work. [/quote]

Good fuckign lord. You start by saying you aren’t debating something with me, and then finish with the same broken claim a couple of us have pointed out is a significantly complex, and that the statistics you are referring to are, in fact, greatly effected by the example that you called a strawman…

Go back to arguing with X. You’re over your head here. [/quote]

OK, all the studies and facts are wrong and women are cunts.Good analysis. I like all the sources you post a d how you break down the facts.

http://www.boston.com/news/health/blog/2010/03/equally_qualifi.html

Women working in the life sciences at academic medical centers make less money than equally qualified men, according to a new survey published today that also finds that men and women take on different roles during their professional careers.

In 2008 Catherine DesRoches and colleagues from the Mongan Institute for Health Policy at Massachusetts General Hospital mailed surveys to more than 3,000 life sciences faculty members at the top 50 universities receiving federal funding for research at their medical schools. The more than 2,100 professors who responded reported how much research they had published and where; how many hours a week they worked in patient care, teaching, administration, or other professional activities such as editing journals; and how much money they made.

In the middle of the academic ranks, male and female associate professors reported similar work hours and responsibilities, but assistant and full professors’ work varied by sex. Women worked fewer hours than men when they were assistant professors, with less time spent on research than men, but when they were full professors, they worked more hours than men, largely because of administrative or other professional activities. Female full professors reported fewer publications than male full professors. The authors suggested senior women might be showing a trailblazer effect, being called on more often to increase female representation on journal boards or university committees.

After the authors took into account such factors as age, hours worked, published research, race, and geography, the women reported salaries that were on average $13,228 lower than similarly qualified men. “If you take the most highly qualified group of men and women at the senior rank, and you make all other things equal, the women are still getting paid less,” DesRoches said in an interview about the article appearing in the journal Academic Medicine.

The difference was greatest for professors in departments of medicine who were also MDs, about double the gap for scientists who were not clinicians.

“At the low end, the difference between male and female PhDs is about $6,000 a year. If you look at that over 30 years, that man would be paid about $200,000 more than a woman,” said DesRoches, who is an assistant professor of medicine at Harvard Medical School. “We haven’t made as much progress as maybe we had hoped. We know this is something that universities are working on, but it’s a very difficult problem.”

Dr. Linda Pololi of Brandeis University is leading efforts to identify and understand why disparities persist between men and women in academic medicine as well as why minorities are not better represented on faculties and in leadership roles. She directs the National Initiative on Gender, Culture, and Leadership in Medicine: C (Culture) - Change at Brandeis.

On the salary differences, “It’s not a pipeline issue for women anymore,” she said in an interview, pointing out that medical school admissions are about equal for men and women. She called DesRoches’s study compelling. “We really needed an updated, in-depth look at this.”

In the same issue of the journal, Pololi and her colleagues write in a commentary, “Failure to realize the full participation and leadership potential of all faculty ? especially women and underrepresented minority faculty members ? remains a pressing problem and challenge in academic medicine today.”

[quote]conservativedog wrote:
much of the wage gap can be explained away by simply taking account of college majors. early childhood educators and social workers can expect to earn around $36,000 and $39,000, respectively. by contrast, petroleum engineering and metallurgy degrees promise median earnings of $120,000 and $80,000.

women gravitate towards jobs where they don’t work as many hours as men do.

not many aspiring early childhood educators would change course once they learn they can earn more in metallurgy or mining. the sexes, taken as a group, are somewhat different. women, far more than men, appear to be drawn to jobs in the caring professions; and men are more likely to turn up in people-free zones. in the pursuit of happiness, men and women appear to take different paths.

the white house should stop using women’s choices to construct a false claim about social inequality that is poisoning our gender debates. and if the president is truly persuaded that statistical pay disparities indicate invidious discrimination, then he should address the wage gap in his own backyard.

female staff at the white house earn 88 cents on the dollar compared to men. is there a white house war on women?[/quote]

No it isn’t because I am talking about women in each working field being paid less for the same jobs, apart from government jobs in education and such, where it is more or less equal.

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

Not to mention, HR is DOMINATED by women so if it was really that bad, some HR executive would probably have something to say about it.
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This is 100% true, this is the field I went to school for and the field I spent years working in.

Pay scales have about 1 million different factors in play…there is simply no way to prove that women make less than men, all my former bosses were female and they made a dump truck load of money…far more than HR managers at the local piggly wiggly.

soooo I could say that I was oppressed…or something.

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

Not to mention, HR is DOMINATED by women so if it was really that bad, some HR executive would probably have something to say about it.
[/quote]

This is 100% true, this is the field I went to school for and the field I spent years working in.

Pay scales have about 1 million different factors in play…there is simply no way to prove that women make less than men, all my former bosses were female and they made a dump truck load of money…far more than HR managers at the local piggly wiggly.

soooo I could say that I was oppressed…or something.[/quote]

You could argue you are oppressed as a wage worker if you were a marxist and was against the labour value theory. Otherwise, no you could not. This is not about one man eating more than a woman and that constituting discrimination.

This would not be discrimination if it was higher up men earning more than employee women.

This is about women who have just as good an education, just as much experience on average earning less than men for the same position.

“But studies show women are paid less even when they are in the same job and have the same experience as their male counterparts. The 2012 report by the American Association of University Women found that after controlling for occupation, college major, hours worked, employment sector and other factors related to a person’s pay, the gender wage gap shrunk but did not entirely disappear.”

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

OK, all the studies and facts are wrong and women are cunts.Good analysis.

[/quote]

Coming from the kid who keeps posting un-sourced graphs… lol

Run along skip.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

OK, all the studies and facts are wrong and women are cunts.Good analysis.

[/quote]

Coming from the kid who keeps posting un-sourced graphs… lol

Run along skip. [/quote]

I posted four sources, you didn’t read them and just said the same thing.

[quote]Pj92x wrote:
Women worked fewer hours than men when they were assistant professors, with less time spent on research than men, but when they were full professors, they worked more hours than men, largely because of administrative or other professional activities. Female full professors reported fewer publications than male full professors.[/quote]

So they have different experience levels, and then end up with different pay?

Wow, fucking trail blazing analysis there.

Forgot one very important factor: kids.

Swing and a miss.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

OK, all the studies and facts are wrong and women are cunts.Good analysis.

[/quote]

Coming from the kid who keeps posting un-sourced graphs… lol

Run along skip. [/quote]

And let’s spit out another truth. Qualifications and workload does not equal Performance which would equate a difference in pay over time.

I’m able to do my workload in half the time than other people around me and I make more…sorry I’m more efficient.

Again, the research does not definitely answer anything. Does it bring up questions? Yes. But coming to a definitive conclusion, still a big miss. To many questions not answered.

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

OK, all the studies and facts are wrong and women are cunts.Good analysis.

[/quote]

Coming from the kid who keeps posting un-sourced graphs… lol

Run along skip. [/quote]

I posted four sources, you didn’t read them and just said the same thing. [/quote]

You haven’t read a single word any of us have been saying, or the book I posted as a source.

So… You first, particularly after your initial internet analysis of “bias”

lmao

[quote]Pj92x wrote:
The 2012 report by the American Association of University Women found that after controlling for occupation, college major, hours worked, employment sector and other factors related to a person’s pay, the gender wage gap shrunk but did not entirely disappear."[/quote]

Not only does this completely support everything we have been saying, but notice the article doesn’t tell you what it shrinks to…

lmao again.

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

OK, all the studies and facts are wrong and women are cunts.Good analysis.

[/quote]

Coming from the kid who keeps posting un-sourced graphs… lol

Run along skip. [/quote]

And let’s spit out another truth. Qualifications and workload does not equal Performance which would equate a difference in pay over time.

I’m able to do my workload in half the time than other people around me and I make more…sorry I’m more efficient.

Again, the research does not definitely answer anything. Does it bring up questions? Yes. But coming to a definitive conclusion, still a big miss. To many questions not answered.[/quote]

Nah man, you are just part of the oppressive anti-woman bias systematic evil empire.

Performance has nothing to do with it, lol.

[quote]Pj92x wrote:
In 2008 Catherine DesRoches and colleagues from the Mongan Institute for Health Policy at Massachusetts General Hospital mailed surveys to more than 3,000 life sciences faculty members at the top 50 universities [/quote]

I would love to see the results of surveys that ask evreryone to rate their productivity aginst their peers.

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:
In 2008 Catherine DesRoches and colleagues from the Mongan Institute for Health Policy at Massachusetts General Hospital mailed surveys to more than 3,000 life sciences faculty members at the top 50 universities [/quote]

I would love to see the results of surveys that ask evreryone to rate their productivity aginst their peers.
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LoL. We joke about that all the time. Everyone thinks they are the shit

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

OK, all the studies and facts are wrong and women are cunts.Good analysis.

[/quote]

Coming from the kid who keeps posting un-sourced graphs… lol

Run along skip. [/quote]

I posted four sources, you didn’t read them and just said the same thing. [/quote]

You haven’t read a single word any of us have been saying, or the book I posted as a source.

So… You first, particularly after your initial internet analysis of “bias”

lmao

[quote]Pj92x wrote:
The 2012 report by the American Association of University Women found that after controlling for occupation, college major, hours worked, employment sector and other factors related to a person’s pay, the gender wage gap shrunk but did not entirely disappear."[/quote]

Not only does this completely support everything we have been saying, but notice the article doesn’t tell you what it shrinks to…

lmao again. [/quote]

The study shows that equally qualified women working the same hours are paid less. I am not arguing if its because of discrimination in a moral or purposely sexist manner or other bigoted qualities nescisarily. Did you not see me say in my first response to you that I generally agree with you?

Like I said, when I say discrimination, I am not referring to personal or purposeful discrimination. Also I am not a liberal nor do I see society as you claim I do.

I am saying whether its because women have to raise children, or women are often put on a certain path or whether in some cases there is actual purposeful discrimination, that women are paid less and that is not arguable. That women are paid less is not arguable! Not wether it is purposeful discrimination.

The only thing we are openly disagreeing on is wether or not sobels stance on it is biased or not.

You are taking discrimination to mean that an employer rejects a woman application or pays her less because she is a woman. Discrimination when it comes to the pay gap is a structural discrimination, the term discrimination is not meant in a way that you interpret from a moral standpoint.

If women are generally are the ones to stay at home in a patriarchal family unit, there is a cultural phenomena at work that is unevening the playing field. Then if women are less likely to be picked because of sexist attitude by employers that is another level. Then if women are under represented in business because up until 40 years ago they were kept out then that is a different level of discrimination. So basically the fact that female doctors more qualified than a male ail probability be getting paid less is the tip of the iceberg.

Does this mean all women are being discriminated against, fuck no, but to argue that in top professions women do get paid less than their male counterpart, even if they have more qualifications and experience, that is just pretending there is no bias in the workplace.

That is like saying there is no discrimination against black people in the market. But it does not take structural discrimination into the equation.

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:
In 2008 Catherine DesRoches and colleagues from the Mongan Institute for Health Policy at Massachusetts General Hospital mailed surveys to more than 3,000 life sciences faculty members at the top 50 universities [/quote]

I would love to see the results of surveys that ask evreryone to rate their productivity aginst their peers.
[/quote]

LoL. We joke about that all the time. Everyone thinks they are the shit [/quote]

without question.

It would a survey full of “5 star effort” and “I’m constantly fixing the mistakes everyone else makes”.

[quote]Pj92x wrote:

The only thing we are openly disagreeing on is wether or not sobels stance on it is biased or not.

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I don’t know who sobels is.

If you are referring to Sowell, his “stance” is that the disparity in pay is due to many factors, however life choices and physical differences appear to make up the bulk of those disparities. And while sexism likely exists, it isn’t as big as a factor as the others.

Either way… I stopped reading your ramble after sobels. You just spent two pages arguing with me, only to say we agree. Great! e-beers all around.

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:
In 2008 Catherine DesRoches and colleagues from the Mongan Institute for Health Policy at Massachusetts General Hospital mailed surveys to more than 3,000 life sciences faculty members at the top 50 universities [/quote]

I would love to see the results of surveys that ask evreryone to rate their productivity aginst their peers.
[/quote]

LoL. We joke about that all the time. Everyone thinks they are the shit [/quote]

without question.

It would a survey full of “5 star effort” and “I’m constantly fixing the mistakes everyone else makes”.

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But shit male workers working the same job for the same company are paid equally to their more productive equal working the same job. So that explanation is hardly sound. It is gender that differentiates equal position pay, not output.

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]Pj92x wrote:
In 2008 Catherine DesRoches and colleagues from the Mongan Institute for Health Policy at Massachusetts General Hospital mailed surveys to more than 3,000 life sciences faculty members at the top 50 universities [/quote]

I would love to see the results of surveys that ask evreryone to rate their productivity aginst their peers.
[/quote]

LoL. We joke about that all the time. Everyone thinks they are the shit [/quote]

Women seem to be far worse at overrating themselves than men also. The only halfway decent self assessments I have seen have always been men, with one exception. The two people in my office who always give themselves the highest self assessment are both women, who are probably our two worst employees. This has also been noticed by my boss, who is a woman. The AP clerk, one of the women I refer to, literally cannot deviate from her simple duties. Anything more complicated than a plug and chug and she brings it to me to handle. Since she has been here 25 years she also makes more than me despite having no degree. Such is life, but when asked how she feels about her pay, she gives the lowest marks of anyone else. She makes $3/hr (rounding) more than people in comparable positions with comparable experience in our area.

I say all this to say, statistics based off of a survey of how people feel about their performance don’t mean anything really. And I would love to know what value you they gave to almost every significant factor affecting pay, considering their tone throughout their research I would assume they were all undervalued and if proper value was assessed women would come pretty close to being paid higher than their male counterparts, all things equal.