Problem With Stealth Injectables

Pharma / TRT
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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
heavythrower wrote:
lattimus wrote:
Thanks for the info, heavythrower. Helps all of us to know. Do you think that there was any necrosis from a high BA content? Or maybe the leukocytes formed due to impurities?

no necrosis, as i am free of infection. necrotic tissue will become colonized with bacteria very soon, regardless of location.

i suspect more of an immune reation to various no organic impurities, or this “BA” i keep hearing stories about.

Necrotic tissue does not have to be ‘colonised with bacteria’ at all. At least, not if what I’ve been learning in Pathology recently is true, LOL! Tissue can die from many causes - toxins, trauma, radiation etc.

All that usually happens is that the necrotic tissue is removed by phagocytosis and then replaced by fibrous tissue (if the original tissue cannot be faithfully replaced, ie cardiac muscle following an ischemic attack). In fact, if it was tissue necrosis due to BA, this would fit it with your symptoms.

The destruction of cells releases intracellular debris, including various lysosomal enzymes contained within each cell. This causes an inflamatory response, hence the presence of high numbers of leukocytes, but no bacterial infection. [/quote]

beg to differ. if tissue becomes necrotic, it is prone to infection. infection sets up very quickly in necrotic tissue, that is why we in the medical field have to quickly debride necrotic tissue.

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anybody have experience with the ecooils products?

Dezz

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you seem to assume that i meant only tissue infected with bacteria become necrotic, i am saying that necrotic tissue is more likely to be infected with bacteria than healthy tissue.

what i was saying, if i had a golf ball size lump of dead tissue in my ass, i would have had a more than average chance of it setting up with infection, that is all.

though i had systemic type symptoms (flu like aches and pains, headache, low grade fever etc.) this could have been attributed to an immune reaction to something in the gear, not necessarily organic in nature.

my culture showed no bacteria, just blood and leukocytes.

can “BA” cause tissue necrosis, hell i don’t know , i am not even sure what it is (some sort of alcohol i presume?)

i do know in the clinical acute care setting, we quickly treat with antibiotics and debridement any suspected necrotic tissue, most instances it is on your skin, like you said, that are normally colonized with staph, and definitely the abdomen, but also when a distal extremity loses circulation due to compartment syndrome, or mechanical damage to the arteries form penetrating trauma, etc. that extremity is amputated/debrided of necrotic tissue to prevent infection and subsequent sepsis.

point is, what is the answer? i have found that the amount of gear inject is dependent on the reaction. Little to no localized reaction to .1-.25cc, .3-.5cc pretty bad, usually about 4-7 days to resolve, 1cc, fuck that , i will not even try with this product.

at 450mg/ml, i would LIKE to do 2 cc a week. this is very difficult when you cant inject more than .3 cc into a site without bad problems. i thought about ditching the gear, and getting something not as concentrated, like enanthate, that is 250mg/ml, but that would require twice the volume of gear.

warming did not help, using a filter needle did not help, the only thing i have not tried is “cutting” it with some sterile oil, but WTF? i have no clue where to even get that.

go to every day injections, .25 each day, that would yield close to 800mg a week, but a IM injection every day sucks balls.

hence my other thread where i asked about an ester that would be appropriate for once weekly injections.

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[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:

warming did not help, using a filter needle did not help, the only thing i have not tried is “cutting” it with some sterile oil, but WTF? i have no clue where to even get that. Yeah, unfortunately the above tricks will work with test prop, but thats nothing to do with the BA (I make prop with only 2% BA, but it still hurts, due to the nature of the prop ester, not the BA content). Cutting should offer some releif though.
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clarify this please.

you are saying that smaller amounts injected more frequently will help as far as the prop-ester?

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Hey guys I realize this is a rather old thread, but I was doing a web search on these Stealth Injectibles and came across it. I read the whole thing and I must say I’m impressed with the knowledge on here! So I joined up. :slight_smile:

Anyway, I had the exact same issue last summer when I used this product: grapefruit size red-colored swelling on my ass. i injected 2CC of their sus combined with 1cc of deca. i have done this many times in the past with the old mexican q-vet products and never was an issue. i too went to the ER, got the antibiotics, etc. etc.

i still have the stealth gear, so i tried it again about 2 weeks ago, but of course much smaller injects (1cc each). each inject did cause soreness and some swelling, but it went away quickly w/o issue so i thought all was well.

but then last week i injected the same amount as usual (1cc) in my delt and worked shouldars later that day. big mistake, my delt blew up like crazy, sore as fuck too. i’m thinking with this gear you’d better not work the muscle you inject it into for a few days.

anyway, i’m done with this worthless crap and will toss it in the trash where it belongs.

but that leads me to my second question: where can i get filter needles? i ask because i’m about to use some sus. amps and i don’t want to inject glass particles.

also, i have not found any info on the web about what injecting glass into your body can do long term - it’s probably not known but i doubt it’s good. found one study on rabbits, but they were injecting a lot (caused liver problems and some other stuff i couldn’t remember)

thanks fellas

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i’ve never gotten swelling from E! i use Galenika from Europe, and its f’n awesome!

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it’s hard to make a blanket statement here as sometimes swelling will occur when you inject too close to a lymph node for example, however if you get continuous swelling consistently, you have a bad batch of gear, and you should complain to your supplier.

If your supplier doesn’t do anything about it. Get a new supplier, but for fuck sakes, don’t try and fix the gear, or continue just injecting the gear. That is just too stupid, and whatever happens after that is your own fault.

One injection it may be a fluke,

Two injection it ain’t no fluke -quite!

Three injection your a fool!

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what brand of stealth are yall using thats causing all this trouble. i have 15ml of test250 i havent used yet and now im kinda worried.

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it was only their sustanon 250 and test enanthate that gave me and others problems.

some say the cyp and prop are fine. haven’t heard any issues with any of the others either.

try injecting a tiny bit (1/2 cc) and see what happens. give it about 3 days. if it starts swelling up toss the shit. if not, up the injection to 1cc, and repeat.

if 1cc is ok, you’re good to go, but i wouldn’t go over 1cc per injection spot.

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[quote]Prisoner#22 wrote:
One injection it may be a fluke,

Two injection it ain’t no fluke -quite!

Three injection your a fool!

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I agree. I have learned my lesson and will not mess with this gear anymore. Total crap IMO. Maybe their other stuff is good, but their sus and enanthate have made me weary of their whole line and I will be avoiding their stuff like the plague now.

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I just started with their line…did 1ml test enan. and 1 ml mast. enan. smoothest inject ever…been 3 days now…no pain at all…didn’t feel anything during or after. must just be some good, and bad batches out there.

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…again, does this go for all brands of stealth? i understand which type of gear seems to be causing all this trouble but not what brands.