Oh wow, I didnt noticed that this is not your Q&A thread, oops
[quote]FatMom wrote:
Coach, I only have access to one not so good supermarket, so my food choices are very limited…
is canned wild salmon and canned sardine are an OK protein source? I can’t even get horse and bison meat, wich I used to have…
and is it true that AAA grade beef is actually grass feed beef from alberta?[/quote]
I have a Q&A thread for you to ask questions. This is the wrong thread.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
NeelyDan wrote:
For some reason the culture of hockey players has never really been geared (get it?) towards this trend.
That’s entirely true. I work with several NHL pros and most of them really wouldn’t even think about using most types of performance-enhancing drugs.
Well, stimulants ARE popular with them (but they mostly use Sudafed) but hardcore stuff like steroids, hGH are really a non-issue with most of these players… save for a few enforces, who are now few and far between in the new NHL.
I think that the lack of popularity of PED in hockey is more related to a psychological issue than a physical one: most hockey players actually do not want to gain weight. The pros somehow believe that they have an ideal ‘‘playing weight’’ and do not want to get above that, believing that it will make them slow and less agile.
For example, Eric Belanger (from the Minnesota Wild) is leaving for the NHLPA convention in Rome next week. For the past 2 weeks I put him on a planned overtraining schedule.
Basically he did an inhumane training volume (track and weights 5 days per week, energy systems work too) to drive him into the ground. So next week (tomorrow) when he will be unable to train or follow his diet instead of detraining he will surcompensate.
Before he left he was 188lbs on 5’11’’ (down from 192lbs at the beginning of the planned overtraining period) and I told him that when he gets back he will be 195 and about 10% stronger (because of the surcompensation effect).
He almost freaked out because he sees his ideal playing weight as being 190-192. I just thought that is was REALLY funny :)[/quote]
haha I nevr knew nhl players thought that way. So nhl players take stim before a game, hmm im suprised. I have tried it before a hockey game before but never thought the pros did it.What nhl players have you trained thib, just out of curiousity? Also isnt sudafed like a cold medicine?
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
NeelyDan wrote:
For some reason the culture of hockey players has never really been geared (get it?) towards this trend.
That’s entirely true. I work with several NHL pros and most of them really wouldn’t even think about using most types of performance-enhancing drugs. Well, stimulants ARE popular with them (but they mostly use Sudafed) but hardcore stuff like steroids, hGH are really a non-issue with most of these players… save for a few enforces, who are now few and far between in the new NHL.
I think that the lack of popularity of PED in hockey is more related to a psychological issue than a physical one: most hockey players actually do not want to gain weight. The pros somehow believe that they have an ideal ‘‘playing weight’’ and do not want to get above that, believing that it will make them slow and less agile.
For example, Eric Belanger (from the Minnesota Wild) is leaving for the NHLPA convention in Rome next week. For the past 2 weeks I put him on a planned overtraining schedule.
Basically he did an inhumane training volume (track and weights 5 days per week, energy systems work too) to drive him into the ground. So next week (tomorrow) when he will be unable to train or follow his diet instead of detraining he will surcompensate.
Before he left he was 188lbs on 5’11’’ (down from 192lbs at the beginning of the planned overtraining period) and I told him that when he gets back he will be 195 and about 10% stronger (because of the surcompensation effect).
He almost freaked out because he sees his ideal playing weight as being 190-192. I just thought that is was REALLY funny :)[/quote]
Not to hijack the OP’s thread, but you must train Belanger for explosive speed as a primary objective, that little bugger is fast.
Edit - also, Laraque is in la belle province now…he’d be an interesting client, I’d wager he’s one of the strongest guys in the league.
[quote]NeelyDan wrote:
Not to hijack the OP’s thread, but you must train Belanger for explosive speed as a primary objective, that little bugger is fast.
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One of the most explosive guy I’ve seen. Seeing this guy do plyometric drills is something that is hard to believe! When he was playing in LA, guys would actually stop training to watch him do his plyo!
His brother is the same way. He is a goalie and one of the best pure athlete that I’ve trained. Sadly he peaked late in his hockey career and never got his chance in the NHL. But the guy had the biggest VMO I’ve ever seen!
[quote]crod266 wrote:
haha I nevr knew nhl players thought that way. So nhl players take stim before a game, hmm im suprised. I have tried it before a hockey game before but never thought the pros did it.What nhl players have you trained thib, just out of curiousity? Also isnt sudafed like a cold medicine?
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I don’t like to throw names around. It can actually get the players in trouble because ‘‘technically’’ they have to follow their team’s program.
Sudafed has pseudoephedrine in it, which is a stimulant, like ephedrine. It is banned in the league however and they are testing now.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
crod266 wrote:
haha I nevr knew nhl players thought that way. So nhl players take stim before a game, hmm im suprised. I have tried it before a hockey game before but never thought the pros did it.What nhl players have you trained thib, just out of curiousity? Also isnt sudafed like a cold medicine?
I don’t like to throw names around. It can actually get the players in trouble because ‘‘technically’’ they have to follow their team’s program.
Sudafed has pseudoephedrine in it, which is a stimulant, like ephedrine. It is banned in the league however and they are testing now.[/quote]
o ok then yea nvm the players haha, I never new it had a stimulant in it. Now coudint the players just take like Spike to have the same effect
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
I don’t like to throw names around. It can actually get the players in trouble because ‘‘technically’’ they have to follow their team’s program.
Sudafed has pseudoephedrine in it, which is a stimulant, like ephedrine. It is banned in the league however and they are testing now.[/quote]
Quick follow up, as I was just talking to a coach at the collegiate level about this, pseudoephedrine is not on the NCAA banned list and starting in 2008 ephedrine is NO longer banned as long as the concentration in the urine does not go over certain limit.
I could understand physiologically how pseudoephedrine could help…but most of the people I’ve talked to see it more as an appetite suppressant than an actual ‘pick-me-up’. But perhaps that would be dose dependent…
[quote]Bachovas wrote:
I could understand physiologically how pseudoephedrine could help…but most of the people I’ve talked to see it more as an appetite suppressant than an actual ‘pick-me-up’. But perhaps that would be dose dependent…[/quote]
The problem is that the stimulant effects of beta-agonists (ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, clenbuterol, albuterol, ractopamine, etc.) are short-lived (1-2 weeks in most indiviuals) because the body adapts to it.
Not to mention that in around 20% of the population they actually have the opposite effect (inhibitors, not stimulants). One of my friend actually took ephedrine to go to sleep!
Werd there used to be psuedo in NyQuil.
Is there any discussion or concept of the IFBB testing for GH only? Is that even practicable?
For anybody who doesn’t mind pointless chatter what could IFBB do to widen the appeal?
[quote]OldDirtyCracker wrote:
Werd there used to be psuedo in NyQuil.
Is there any discussion or concept of the IFBB testing for GH only? Is that even practicable?
For anybody who doesn’t mind pointless chatter what could IFBB do to widen the appeal?
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Why would they worry about GH? The majority of the top guys competing right now don’t have GH guts. That is why I tend to get dismissive when someone claims they know how bodybuilding should change when they haven’t followed it since the 90’s.
So there’s nobody left that has a big jaw like a fucking ogre? Cool then.
[quote]OldDirtyCracker wrote:
So there’s nobody left that has a big jaw like a fucking ogre? Cool then.[/quote]
Jay Cutler looks like a refrigerator. He is one of the last. In my honest opinion, if you can’t name five top guys winning TODAY, then your opinion on the way things should change becomes a lot less substantial.
Heath, Wolf, Greene, White, and Anthony do not have GH guts. How about some of us give more credit to what they are doing right instead of STILL harping on days past just because most of you aren’t paying attention.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
OldDirtyCracker wrote:
So there’s nobody left that has a big jaw like a fucking ogre? Cool then.
Jay Cutler looks like a refrigerator. He is one of the last. In my honest opinion, if you can’t name five top guys winning TODAY, then your opinion on the way things should change becomes a lot less substantial.
Heath, Wolf, Greene, White, and Anthony do not have GH guts. How about some of us give more credit to what they are doing right instead of STILL harping on days past just because most of you aren’t paying attention.[/quote]
And I think that some people actually are too quick to jump on the ‘‘GH gut’’ bandwagon. The fact is that the main reason why some bodybuilders have a distended stomach on stage is due to overcarbing/overloading the night before the show. They want to come in super full (fullness and size seems to be rewarded more than suicidal conditioning, which was the key factor in the last 80s and early 90s) and ingest so much food, with so little fluid, that a lot of food is left sitting in the stomach.
The reason why a lot of bodybuilders have distended stomachs during the off-season or in the gym is related to that same thing: to get huge they have to eat huge. This makes digestion hard and slow, which leaves the midsection bloated.
Now, there are some true cases of ‘GH gut’’ (which is more related to insulin use IMHO, otherwise cyclist would all have huge guts!) but much less than we often believe.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
And I think that some people actually are too quick to jump on the ‘‘GH gut’’ bandwagon. [/quote]
I think its the same thing with “performanc enhancing drugs” and HGH. PPL are quick to shout out “CHEAT!” and “DOPER!” and things like that without knowing what HGH really is. I feel bad for Bonds and Clemans(eventhough they brought most of it on them selves in different ways) It would have been nice to see Jose Canseco try and educate ppl about HGH and “performanc enhancing drugs” instead of drawings ppls names through the mud to try and make a buck.
JMO
I’d say get rid of the growth hormone, people seem to develop guts off that stuff.
they should try doing old style amounts of steroids like were done in the 60s and 70s an see the more asthetic side that people used to see 230lb or lower an more asthetic is better then 260lb+ mitchellen men
[quote]sid132 wrote:
id say get rid of the growth hormone, people seem to develop guts off that stuff.
they should try doing old style amounts of steroids like were done in the 60s and 70s an see the more asthetic side that people used to see 230lb or lower an more asthetic is better then 260lb+ mitchellen men[/quote]
Gee, Lee Haney competed around 260lbs.
Just 5 names…
Alright you got me there. but you got the point i ment. lee haney looked a lot better then ronnie did in his final contests
[quote]sid132 wrote:
alright you got me there. but you got the point i ment. lee haney looked a lot better then ronnie did in his final contests[/quote]
Ronnie isn’t competing so why even bring him up? If you can’t name even 5 people who have this problem who compete RIGHT NOW, why do you think it is something that needs to be focused on?
People like you, the ones who don’t even follow bodybuilding currently yet keep spreading this false idea of it based on how things were a decade ago, are the ones that keep a positive spotlight from being placed on it.
If you don’t follow it…quit speaking on it.
Ronnie retired??? Did THAT happen in the last five years???
/end sarcasm