Sure. The human condition is complex indeed. Lots of cultures have tried to define and regulate it and it can make perspective fun.
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Sexual morality is a fascinating topic, and has varied greatly in different times and cultures. I’ve read couple books about the subject, and also have myself been faced by these guestions (haven’t we all).
After being having experiences from long monogamous relationship and from the ”free sex” -side, I’m very aristotelian, aka golden mean, about the subject.
I don’t see absistency nor shame about your sexuality being the optimal way, but total hedonism is even worse. Sure, you can have some fun, but you can’t just fuck anybody like it’s nothing. There’s responsibility and sensitivity that need to be accounted for.
The shame (and worse) was used to prevent the consequences of others falling on the rest of us (eg, the aforesaid billions of federal bucks), and social unrest and pathologies (broken homes, violence, criminality), not to shame one’s sexuality in itself. With all I say here, I’ll be the first to admit that screwing various women is thrilling; it’s the male sexual Utopia. And I don’t want people intruding on peoples private lives.
Go to ghettoes in the US and you’ll see loads of sexually free mommies and their feral offspring.
Much discussion about sex doesn’t extend beyond the sensations of the sausage.
I think it’s important not to muddy waters by transferring onus of responsibility across topics.
Shitty parenting and satisfying libido may have some cross-over, but one doesn’t cause the other for example.
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True. But if you look history, the shame and control over sexuality has often failed completely, and has been used unequally.
It’s was easy to punish teenagers about masturbation, while wealthy aristocrats were having orgies in palaces.
That’s a fair point.
Yes, by putting the onus on women (supply side of sex), the double standard.
That was goofy stuff.
What do you mean failed completely?
The alternative, total deregulation, has caused much misery.
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Maybe completely was too harsh way to put it. But controlling human sexuality has always had double standards, like you also referred to women. It has also caused massive amounts of suffering.
I do agree however, that modern culture of deregulation and showing free sex somehow ideal way of life is harmful. Like I said before, golden mean and responsibility.
Even though I’m a liberal guy in this subject, I don’t thing sex should be taken lightly. Specially younger people (sub 25y) are not often as mature sexually as they like to think.
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I don’t see how a leader of a Bible based following could leave a husband and wife feeling anything but honored in their sexual intimacy. He must not have read Hebrews 13:4a, or allowed the congregation to read it. It spells out intimacy between husband and wife in clear language.
“Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed is undefiled…”
Yeah but what about the freaky stuff? I’ve seen the Bible interpreted to mean sexuality is for procreation, hence “missionary” position. I’ve also seen verses that were fairly explicit in enjoying a wife’s bosoms et cetera.
But what about pulling hair with a thumb in the ass? Oral? Analingus? Is there a point where sex becomes sin, even in marriage? Anal? There are specific verses condemning sodomy, granted they are in context of homosexuality, but the sodomy itself is referenced.
What does the Bible consider sex? Vaginal intercourse?
I look at the Bible dispensationally. The limits on sex within the marriage for the Church is within the New Testament. Go wherever in the Old Testament looking for limits on sex within a marriage and I will take you directly to Hebrews 13:4 and tell you that the marriage bed is not defiled. What goes on in the marriage bed is between you and God.
One of the points of Hebrews 13:4 is that the Church leadership is not to question what goes on in the marriage bed.
Damn. I hoped it was between me and my wife.
Jokes aside - surely an interesting topic. I would not count me as an believer, but christianity and theology are subjects I’ve studied a bit.
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I probably should have clarified that God sees the husband and wife as one. When I said “you” it included both the husband and his wife.
In Genesis 5:2, God “called their name Adam.”
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Interestingly from what I’ve learnt from Judaism none of it is really off limits between a married couple
Like what rt nomad said… whatever happens in private is between the husband and wife
Though I do believe sodomy in general is a sin within Christianity. In Judaism I believe it’s fine (ish) so long as you don’t “spill your seed”
But even then… exceptions csn be made even amongst the ultra orthodox today. You just need approval from a rabbi.
I’m not religious btw. I was raised modern orthodox and rebelled very hard from everything associated with religion at around the age of seventeen. Today I’ve still chosen not to practice aside from attending the odd shabbas dinner
Interesting. I’m not Jewish, grew up with a Christian influence but am a non-believer. RT likes peppering Bible verses around so I’m interested in context but would never feel a need to ask a rabbi, or preacher, for permission to fuck my wife how I want to.
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Sounds like someone influenced by Muslim beliefs with the hand chopping.