Primo Depot Cycle: What to Add?

Pharma / TRT
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This is about my 4th roid cycle.

My previous cycle was Masteron (100mg every other day) with Equipose (300mg per week).

My aim is not bulk muscle but simply to slowly add quality muscle without having to worry “too much” about my HPTA axis (aka balls!) and PCT.

I’ve acquired some proper Primobolan Depot from Sherring (thought they’d stop making the stuff?).
But now I am looking at what to add to the stack.
I cannot inject Winstrol, call me a sissie but it is bloody painfull!
So I am considering Winstrol tabs for the last 6 weeks of the cycle.
I want to add a third roid.
I do not want bloating or retaining water.
Equipose (bolderone) is out, because it is too similar to Primo.
I am gonna run the Primo cycle for 12 weeks at 400mg per week with maybe Winstrol tabs the last 6 weeks.
Any suggestions on the cycle and what I should add for lean quality gains?

Thanx buds and any suggestions will be hugely appreciated!
LRM

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I would definitely add proviron to support your androgen levels - without suppressing you too much.

the trouble with your plan is that eq, winny or say masteron will all suppress you totally in the time you need to run them. I am pretty sure primo will too…

I am a strong believer in using short acting drugs to facilitate faster recovery… orals and acetate/prop esters.

i do know that for quality and solid steady gains primo and test is supposed to be very nice, i’d use prop.

I also hear that primo and dbol is very nice…

Winstrol is unlikely to bring much to primo at all… as is equipoise.

Hope these few points might lead you in a direction you like.

Brook

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thanx bbb.
In my last cycle I used masteron (from Nomad Labs, China, 100mg every other day) with Equipose (Nomad labs, 300mg per week). I was not too impress with the results. Both roids was from Nomad laboratories and to my opinion they are much lower strength-wise than what it states on the vials (I think Nomad labs might dilute the stuff?).
The only Masteron I can get hold of, is unfortunately from Nomad labs. Maybe I should just drastically increase the dosage of the masteron.
The Primo (from Sherring) is good stuff at least.
Thanx for the input.
LRM

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[quote] Brook wrote:
I would definitely add proviron to support your androgen levels - without suppressing you too much.

the trouble with your plan is that eq, winny or say masteron will all suppress you totally in the time you need to run them. I am pretty sure primo will too…

I am a strong believer in using short acting drugs to facilitate faster recovery… orals and acetate/prop esters.

i do know that for quality and solid steady gains primo and test is supposed to be very nice, i’d use prop.

I also hear that primo and dbol is very nice…

Winstrol is unlikely to bring much to primo at all… as is equipoise.

Hope these few points might lead you in a direction you like.

Brook[/quote]

Brook, thanx for that sensible input.
I am aware that test prop and primo goes great together, however, as with Winny the injection kills me - lol! It hurts so badly I simply cannot endure the pain. I actually got stock in my cupboard of test prop (and Proviron). So my next question would be on “how to inject prop with less pain”. Someone suggested that I must first pull the primo in the syringe and then the prop and inject both together and that will be less painfull? Any sense to that? and won’t it affect the prop?
Thanx for the tips. I agree on the Proviron.
FRM

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Yes that would make the prop less painful - but make sure to mix it and then not inject the full dose into one muscle… split it.

If you take 1ml of prop in a your left glute for example, and it cripples you then try this; take that 1ml and mix it with 1ml of primo(for example - dosages depend on cycle design) and inject half into the left and the other half into the right hand side glute.
This will dilute the prop (well, the BA) and split the dose also… it will reduce the pain massively.
The above is also possible with a sterile oil such as grapeseed or other carrier oil.

Prop needn’t be painful, this is a fact.

I also think if primo is to be used then it should be used at a dose of at least 600mg/wk if used alone.

Brook

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Im with brook on this one.

If concentrate on suppression its unlikely that you will be able to run anything in adequate doses to see worthwhile gains.

Adding in prop and an AI would do wonders for growth and potentially fat loss.

Your drug choice is fine, but a short ester test would at least double your gains.

Test prop with an AI should have more or less zero bloat.

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If you are worried about HTPA, you will need to run primo by itself at lower dosage (say 300mg) and shorter period (8 weeks or less). That way, you will probably get moderate suppression by the time you finish. But the thing is how much will you gain off that? will it be a waste of time and money?

If you run pirmo at an effective dosage, say 600mg/week, for 12 weeks, you are going to be heavily suppressed. If you add any more eq, winstrol, masteron etc you are going to be shut down. Besides stacking DHT derivatives together is not really effective.

I think you have 2 options.

  1. primo only @ 600 or more, with Proviron
    12 weeks.
  2. 350mg of test + 350mg of primo
    Proviron optional
    8 WEEKS

200iu HCG EOD (optional)

PCT of your choice

You would get similar gains. Option 2 is cheaper, slightly more sides, a bit more gains, your will be shutdown after 1 week.
Options 1 is more “healthy”, HPTA will be suppressed gradually, total shutdown in 3-4 weeks.( just a guess, no scientific proof), You dont have to take more drugs to control oestrogen related issues.

I prefer to run low dosage HCG during cycle, to keep my nads working, and make recovery easier.

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BTW if you can get Primobolan tabs, it would be ideal to stack it with test prop, as both are fast acting.
You can run prop@100eod, and primo tabs@100mg per day.

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Brook - thanx for the confirmation on making the injection less painfull!

Westclock and mephistopheles - thanx for the input.

OK, let me finalize my cycle.
Will be running it 12 weeks.

WEEK 1-3
Primo depot 400mg every week.

WEEK 4 - 12
Primo depot 400mg every week.
Prop 100mg every other day
Proviron 25mg every day

WEEK 8 - 5000iU HCG
WEEK 12 - 3000iU HCG
WEEK 14 - 1500IU HCG [3 shots every other day]

Follow by a cycle of Clomid (3 weeks)

How does that look amigos?
[Reminder: my aim is lean muscle gains without water and bloat]
Any further suggestions or critique?

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Sorry mate, i dont like it…

Why are you running the primo at a steady dose for 3 weeks before the prop?
It seriously would be beneficial to frontload this mate. Serious.

Proviron is run at too low a dose… IMPE 25mg is not worth it.

HCG is not used at those dosages in that manner these days - this was based on old bro knowledge and has been shown to be highly suppressive, and counter productive to recovery.

Clomid as PCT IMO is ok… any of the 3 SERMs are fine (i would use torm or nolva - but horses for courses) 100/100/50/50 or 40/40/20/20 clomid or nolvadex would be a fine recovery assist.

I would run the following cycle with the same gear:

Wk1-8 400mg* Primo Enanthate (200mg 2x/wk)
Wk1-10 420mg* Test Propionate (60mgED)
Wk1-10 350mg Proviron (50mgED)
Wk1-10 0.25mg Arimidex EOD or so…
Wk3-10 250iu HCG 3x/wk

Wk11-14 Tamoxifen 40/40/20/20

*First injection of primobolan would be 500mg - this would give peak blood levels from the first day of the injection rather than waiting till week 5. This means that 12 weeks is unnecessary.

*First injection of Prop is 200mg - this again will give you peak blood levels from the first day of the cycle making each day as productive as it can possibly be.
If you didn’t frontload you would need to wait upto 3 weeks for the levels to reach that point.
When i frontload prop i notice changes in the physique in the first week.

The primo is stopped 2 weeks before the prop, this way you dont have to wait the regular 2 weeks “fully exposed” for the enanthate to drop to non-suppressive levels before beginning the PCT… you can begin it 3-4 days after the last propionate injection.

Test is injected daily and primo is injected biweekly to give best levels. If you find it easier to inject the primo with the test then inject both daily… If daily injects aren’t possible - choose a different ester.

Proviron is run at 50mg a day and also from day one, due to the frontload and ester pharmacokinetics of the prop.

Added arimidex to counter bloat and keep estrogen under control - the dose given is a guideline only.

HCG is started from week 3 when full suppression is most likely to have occurred, and at a low, regular dose to prevent aromatisation but still stimulate the leydigs.

Tamoxifen is used for PCT but any SERM will do - make sure to do 4 weeks in a tapering fashion… this has always worked for me (except in special circumstances).

[quote]
Brook - thanx for the confirmation on making the injection less painfull!

Westclock and mephistopheles - thanx for the input.

OK, let me finalize my cycle.
Will be running it 12 weeks.

WEEK 1-3
Primo depot 400mg every week.

WEEK 4 - 12
Primo depot 400mg every week.
Prop 100mg every other day
Proviron 25mg every day

WEEK 8 - 5000iU HCG
WEEK 12 - 3000iU HCG
WEEK 14 - 1500IU HCG [3 shots every other day]

Follow by a cycle of Clomid (3 weeks)

How does that look amigos?
[Reminder: my aim is lean muscle gains without water and bloat]
Any further suggestions or critique?[/quote]

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Brook, awesome info mate.
I’ve been doing “research” on the subject for the past 2 yrs and I still got soooo much to learn (OK, given that I am also maybe not the sharpest - lol!).

Couple of questions:

  1. My HCG ampules is 1500iU. I assume I will have to buy HCG vials? since once the ampule is open all 1500iU must be used (assumed it cannot be stored in a ampule?).
    2)“sterile oil such as grapeseed or other carrier oil” Sorry to sound naive, but where do one find such products, at your local chemist/drug store?

Thanx for the help so far.
FRM

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[quote]FinalRepMuscle wrote:
Brook, awesome info mate.
I’ve been doing “research” on the subject for the past 2 yrs and I still got soooo much to learn (OK, given that I am also maybe not the sharpest - lol!).

Couple of questions:

  1. My HCG ampules is 1500iU. I assume I will have to buy HCG vials? since once the ampule is open all 1500iU must be used (assumed it cannot be stored in a ampule?).
    2)“sterile oil such as grapeseed or other carrier oil” Sorry to sound naive, but where do one find such products, at your local chemist/drug store?

Thanx for the help so far.
FRM[/quote]

with amps your going to want to preload the syringes. It can not be stored in the amp, so just load it all into syringes and store the syringes.

Easy enough.

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For 1500 iu hCG, Westclock makes sense advising to preload syringes. 500 IU would warrant getting a small 5ml sterile vial to store & refrigerate reconstituted hCG. After all at 250iu per inject; 5000 IU makes for 20 doses or 40 days worth.

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Westclcok & Dynamo Hum - thanx for clearing that up for me. I do have small insulun syringes, so they should be perfect storing the HCG dosages. Think I need to get a small barfridge for all these goodies. My wifes food fridge is getting a bit overcrowded - lol!

bushidobadboy - thanx for the input mate, mucho appreciated.

So unless there ain’t further objections, here is the finalized Primo cycle (thanx Brook!):
Wk1-8 400mg* Primo Enanthate (200mg 2x/wk)
Wk1-10 420mg* Test Propionate (60mgED)
Wk1-10 350mg Proviron (50mgED)
Wk1-10 0.25mg Arimidex EOD or so…
Wk3-10 250iu HCG 3x/wk

Wk11-14 Tamoxifen 40/40/20/20

*First injection of primobolan would be 500mg - this would give peak blood levels from the first day of the injection rather than waiting till week 5. This means that 12 weeks is unnecessary.

*First injection of Prop is 200mg - this again will give you peak blood levels from the first day of the cycle making each day as productive as it can possibly be.
If you didn’t frontload you would need to wait upto 3 weeks for the levels to reach that point.
When i frontload prop i notice changes in the physique in the first week.

The primo is stopped 2 weeks before the prop, this way you dont have to wait the regular 2 weeks “fully exposed” for the enanthate to drop to non-suppressive levels before beginning the PCT… you can begin it 3-4 days after the last propionate injection.

Test is injected daily and primo is injected biweekly to give best levels. If you find it easier to inject the primo with the test then inject both daily… If daily injects aren’t possible - choose a different ester.

Proviron is run at 50mg a day and also from day one, due to the frontload and ester pharmacokinetics of the prop.

Added arimidex to counter bloat and keep estrogen under control - the dose given is a guideline only.

HCG is started from week 3 when full suppression is most likely to have occurred, and at a low, regular dose to prevent aromatisation but still stimulate the leydigs.

Tamoxifen is used for PCT but any SERM will do - make sure to do 4 weeks in a tapering fashion… this has always worked for me (except in special circumstances).

If all goes well, I plan to take a pic before I start with the cycle (1 April 2009) and at week 14 (2 weeks after cycle ended) just to see the impact. I will post the pics in this thread.
Till later dudes!
LRM