Zen, I’ve never heard that before but it’s certainly true with high fructose corn syrup.
I’d love to know more about where you found that.
As far as honey, I’ve always read that it’s really no different than regular sucrose.
BTW-I’m biased because I LOVE sucrose.
[quote]Zen warrior wrote:
Quick question on sweeteners, my nutrition Barron: I heard, can’t remember who said it, that they didn’t offer much compared to regular sugar, because they triggered the same metabolic pathway, or something close. Your thoughts on that, and also what do you think of honey as a sugar replacement?[/quote]
If you consume protein powder OTHER TIMES of the day other then PWO (specifically in combination w/ other foods like yogurt, oats, etc) would you ever see any tangible benefits to using a casein powder over a whey concentrate/isolate?
I’ve always felt that Pre-workout nutrition was of prime importance, mainly because it effects not only metabolic factors but also the quality of the workout itself, which is of particular concern for athletes, but also guys who wanna look good nekid.
One reason I think that post workout is so highly toted is because of the psychological factors, it just feels good. For many it’s like cracking open a beer after a long day at the office.
My pre-workout meals are always my favorite.Have you any research that finds that a sugar/amino acid drink is morebeneficial compared to a whole food meal (given dome time for digestion)? I’m curious because I’ve always found I feel best with a regular meal pre-workout and breakfat (pre-workout for me) is the easiest meal of the day for me to eat well. Oat/protein pancakes, eggs, fruit, yogurt etc. Damn! I wish it were breakfast right now.
Just a quick one, in your example of what you are taking now, if money was no object which way would you go with the 3rd shake (45 mins after) Surge or a slower whey?
blam, I wouldn’t think so, unless you’re fasting during the day.
Sometimes we just can’t eat every few hours, which is where casein is great.
[quote]blam wrote:
Followup on the Casein question:
If you consume protein powder OTHER TIMES of the day other then PWO (specifically in combination w/ other foods like yogurt, oats, etc) would you ever see any tangible benefits to using a casein powder over a whey concentrate/isolate?[/quote]
While there are no direct data, I don’t believe that whole food meals can be quite as anabolic. This is because they won’t elicit the large insulin or amino acid surge which are so anabolic in themselves.
Normal meals are most often anticatabolic, rather than anabolic.
Having said that, earlier solid meals are better for blood glucose control. In other words, it just makes things easier.
Great question.
Also, I compltetly agree with the following statement.
[quote]elars21 wrote:
One reason I think that post workout is so highly toted is because of the psychological factors, it just feels good. For many it’s like cracking open a beer after a long day at the office.
My pre-workout meals are always my favorite.Have you any research that finds that a sugar/amino acid drink is morebeneficial compared to a whole food meal (given dome time for digestion)? I’m curious because I’ve always found I feel best with a regular meal pre-workout and breakfat (pre-workout for me) is the easiest meal of the day for me to eat well. Oat/protein pancakes, eggs, fruit, yogurt etc. Damn! I wish it were breakfast right now.[/quote]
Surge, no question. After that I NEED solid food. It’s an insatiable craving.
[quote]cal wrote:
Just a quick one, in your example of what you are taking now, if money was no object which way would you go with the 3rd shake (45 mins after) Surge or a slower whey?[/quote]
Outline of my current practice: Right now I’m having 1 “large size” serving of Surge 10 minutes before training, and another 15-20 minutes after. I then have either more Surge or a whey concentrate ~ 60 minutes after this. I also have a whey shake (same as drink 3)upon rising.
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Dave, if money is an issue, how would you suggest modifying this for the next best results? The new research seems to show a significant benefit to the preworkout shake. So maybe Surge 10 minutes before workout. A second shake 15-20 minutes after. 60 minutes after this either have whey concentrate or a whole foods meal. Is the 2nd post-workout shake the best one to eliminate if we need to do so. I, for one, (college student on budget) won’t be affording three Surge shakes each workout day. This would be true even if making homeade Surge assuming added BCAAs are necessary. I’m attempting to compare the amino profile of hydrolyzed whey to Surge, and it seems to fall short if my information is corect.
On a related note, do you have any idea of what the amount of the BCAAs should optimally be for the pre and post-workout shakes? Thanks for any input you can give.
jsbrook, Your protocol looks great! I’ve been a University student for the past 10 years, so I hear you about the budget thing.
As far as BCAA’s… you know it’s funny but we really don’t know much about them at all. All of the data are in rats, which may have different responses than humans.
I’m attending a supplement conference this weekend (ISSN) and one half day is devoted to BCAA use. Hopefully we’ll learn something there!
[quote]jsbrook wrote:
David Barr wrote:
Outline of my current practice: Right now I’m having 1 “large size” serving of Surge 10 minutes before training, and another 15-20 minutes after. I then have either more Surge or a whey concentrate ~ 60 minutes after this. I also have a whey shake (same as drink 3)upon rising.
Dave, if money is an issue, how would you suggest modifying this for the next best results? The new research seems to show a significant benefit to the preworkout shake. So maybe Surge 10 minutes before workout. A second shake 15-20 minutes after. 60 minutes after this either have whey concentrate or a whole foods meal. Is the 2nd post-workout shake the best one to eliminate if we need to do so. I, for one, (college student on budget) won’t be affording three Surge shakes each workout day. This would be true even if making homeade Surge assuming added BCAAs are necessary. I’m attempting to compare the amino profile of hydrolyzed whey to Surge, and it seems to fall short if my information is corect.
On a related note, do you have any idea of what the amount of the BCAAs should optimally be for the pre and post-workout shakes? Thanks for any input you can give.
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