Prime Time: Olympic Barr

[bigpump23]

Dave thoughts on a bowl of sugarey cereal post workout… YUMM makes me salavate wanting it afte rmy workout

[David_Barr]

Okay, my goal is to not delete my reply this time.

IHGM, be sure to check my current practice on page 3 of the article discussion.

[quote]IHateGymMorons wrote:
D. Barr,According to your article and the research you’ve presented we should consider the optimal approach to be:

1. A full serving of Surge 10-15 minutes before lifting?
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Cool

2. Wait approx. 60 min. after your last lift to drink the 2nd full serving of Surge?

As mentioned a few times during the discussion, this is way too long to wait.

4. A third full serving of Surge approx. 80 minutes after the 2nd?

I no longer wait that long. In fact, I’ve gone as little as 45 minutes after the first “post” drink, to have my second, while maintaining my blood sugar.

5. Do not take anti-oxidants after workouts?

Right.

As for #1 - I know you said the pre-workout Surge is obviated when a prior meal is eaten, but if you could do both isn’t this better??? The higher insulin levels would exert a protective effect during the workout and get a jumpstart on amino transport to enhance protein synthesis.

The solid meal will slow the absorption of the Surge resulting in a reduced insulin level. Good thinking though.

As for #2 - Do you concurr with the research that says waiting 60 minutes is better. In the study did this subjects consume a pre-workout drink. I don’t see how this is good, especially if the whole GH is debunk and oveblown.

As mentioned above you don’t want to wait that long. 60 minutes post became the standard drink time because it was shown to elicit the greatest response form a SINGLE drink. This is no good for us.

As for #3 - Is this really necessary? Could we perhaps only wait 30-40 minutes and drink a slower/cheaper protein such as WPC or even Grow! and get the same bump in Aminos at the 80-90 minute post workout mark. Keep in mind that if we do wait 60 minutes for the first post-workout whake this one is coming at about 3 hours post workout.

None of this is necessary. It is intended to optimize results, that’s all.

As for #4 - There has been sooooo much research saying the very opposite of this. There are so many free radicals floating around that can interfere with things. Why should we not take Vit C and E at around this time?

There really aren’t any studies in this area that are applicable to us. There are few in humans, fewer with exercise, and none that I could find with post workout consumption. Considering that we specifically want resistance exercise as an intervention, I’m amazed that even one study existed -the one I presented.

Are you aware of more studies in this area? If you’re convinced that it will help, you could always try a lower dosage.

Okay, I got through this again. Must remember “CTRL C”… LOL

[David_Barr]

Get Lifted, Nope, I’m postponing my degree for another program. In the mean time I want to work for Biotest and write for T-Nation.

I’m actually driving back to Canada in a few days. Packing is fun. Packing is fun. Really.

[quote]Get Lifted wrote:
Barrk…

Are you not going to be a doctor soon though?

-Get Lifted[/quote]

[David_Barr]

Zen, I wouldn’t worry about this too much for cutting. It’s slightly easier to use, but not quite as potent.

Are you using this because maple syrup is the only available form of sugar in QUE?

[quote]Zen warrior wrote:
Hey Dave, are there any difference between the profile of sucrose vs. maltodextrin in a pre/post-workout drink if my goal is to be lean? And what a good source of either be? The best I can get my hand on is a mix of both. Thanks
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[David_Barr]

Damnit DH, you’re bringing up all of my childhood demons. I had one cousin who called me “DUMBO” because he said my ears stuck out.

I suddenly don’t feel like writing any more… in fact, DH YOU finish off Prime Time. I’m going to go rock back and forth in the corner.

BTW-Seriously your picture just looks unreal! You going to post a big version?

[quote]Disc Hoss wrote:
How bout:

DumBARR the flying Elephant

Or perhaps ThumBARRlina.

The options are endless…

DH

I’m still awaiting reply on the PM “fake” issue, BARRBrawl.

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[David_Barr]

downintuscon, I really didn’t think the response was that negative, but then again I’m comparing this to the responses from the glutamine and arginine articles.

The response from peer review, before publishing, suggested that I’d get a ton of questions, so it wasn’t really unexpected.

It’s unfortunate that the bodybuilding literature didn’t keep up with the scientific literature. It would have been a lot easier to gradually adjust to one or two changes at a time, as opposed to ten all at once.

Cheers

[quote]downintucson wrote:

It seems you’ve become T-Nation #1 most wanted. A lot of people are dying to read your next article. Did you think you’d get such a negative response (along the lines of “Oh, great. NOW what am I supposed to do?!?”).
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[David_Barr]

Coach, there’s no question that you should indeed have this surgery! BUT if you REALLY want to enhance performance, try getting gill implants. You’d be amazing at Tri!

As for the cost, can you really put a price on performance? Maybe put a second mortgage on your house.

[quote]CharlesStaley wrote:
Dave, I’m considering having my hamstrings surgically re-attached so the insertions are about 1 inch lower than normal, but I’m worried about the ethical consequences. Do you think I should do this, and what should I expect to pay?

David Barr wrote:
Thanks for the questions guys!
I’ll be back tomorrow!

Cheers

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[David_Barr]

bigpump, as long as you’re getting your protein in, sugary cereal is not a bad alternative as far as whole foods go. I prefer chocolate milk… oooh, put chocolate milk on the cereal!

Then again, if you’re buying extra protein, you could optimize recovery and growth by adding simple sugars.

[quote]bigpump23 wrote:
Dave thoughts on a bowl of sugarey cereal post workout… YUMM makes me salavate wanting it afte rmy workout[/quote]

[jsbrook]

[quote]David Barr wrote:
cally, good question. I’ll go into this more in the upcoming article, but can give a bit of a “sneak preview” here.

A solid meal an hour and a half before the workout is fine, and obviates the pre workout drink. This is actually an easier practice, although doesn’t afford the precision (or magnitude of effect) that liquid meals do.

You could tack on a liquid meal, but its absorption will be slowed, and the effect reduced, by the preceding solid meal.

Hope this helps!

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I’m happy to hear this. This has generally been my practice up till now. Glad that it’s sound (as I’ve thought) if not as optimal as the pre-workout shake. Looking forward to the next article!

[jsbrook]

Dave, assuming we did want to have a shake 10-15 mintues before working out, how long before this would you recommend having a solid meal so as not to slow down absorbtion? sorry if you already covered this. thanks

[David_Barr]

For those who haven’t yet, be sure to check out the new commercial in the “Special Reports” Forum. Amazing stuff!

I think I just found something better than rocking in a corner.

[David_Barr]

jsbrook, it depends on what you eat, but I usually finish my last meal 2.5-3 hours before I have my drink.

Good question!

[quote]jsbrook wrote:
Dave, assuming we did want to have a shake 10-15 mintues before working out, how long before this would you recommend having a solid meal so as not to slow down absorbtion? sorry if you already covered this. thanks

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[Zen_warrior]

[quote]David Barr wrote:
Damnit DH, you’re bringing up all of my childhood demons. I had one cousin who called me “DUMBO” because he said my ears stuck out.
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Tell me about it. I had the same nickname for the same reason. Only now I’m big enough to beat the crap out of those who did the name-calling.

[quote]David Barr wrote:
Zen, I wouldn’t worry about this too much for cutting. It’s slightly easier to use, but not quite as potent.

Are you using this because maple syrup is the only available form of sugar in QUE?
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LOL, I’ll have you know it’s very healthy. And no, we also have bees, so you can guess the meaning of my question on honey :)Actually, I’ve never tried it in a shake. Would that be a good idea? If you’re packing home for Canada, come by Quebec, I’ll treat you to a all-you-can-eat diner where all the dishes have maple syrup. There is a good place nearby…