[quote]Bauer97 wrote:
DB, why go sugar free with my syrup? Because I’m already overdosing on sugar from all the Pop-Tarts you pimp out to me. [/quote]
Excellent answer my friend.
[quote]
Another question: I take your advice on the nighttime eating, waking myself up to drink some whey mixed in water (I’m just too dogmatic to eat carbs in the middle of the night). Anyway, some nights I’m so knocked out I sleep right throught the cell phone alarm, so the protein is sitting there, already mixed, for like 10 hours before I would ever drink it in the morning. So I’m wondering about protein degredation. Is it an issue regarding the proteins quality and structure for having it mixed in a liquid for an extended period of time before ingesting it?[/quote]
Interestingly, it’d be better (in the morning, not night) if the protein broke down into amino acids by sitting out, because this would yield faster absorption. BUT considering it takes strong acids to just unravel the protein, there won’t be any changes from 10h of sitting out.
[quote]Lonnie Lowery wrote:
Yes, sugar alcohols do have some kcal (about 1.5-3 kcal/ gram)… about half of what carbohydrates do. Their partially absorbed. [/quote]
All joking aside, too much sugar alcohol leads to GI distress.
Here’s one resulting in microalbuminuria (a protein in the urine suggesting damage) showing up only in hypertensives and diabetcs… not healthies:
Am J Kidney Dis 2003 Mar;41(3):580-7
Association of dietary protein intake and microalbuminuria in healthy adults: Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey.
Wrone EM, et al.
[quote]David Barr wrote:
boonville410 wrote:
Do either of you guys have on your HD’s or available references to studies that a) show that protein damages the liver/kidneys and b) used participants with pre-existing conditions
?
Thanks
Mmm… I have one for creatine at my finger tips but not protein. The best protein/kidney dysfunction study is done on rats. They removed one whole kidney and 2/3 of the other. Then they fed rats the equivalent of 20000g of protein per day, and it barely had any effect.
I have succumbed to the pressures of T-Nation and began using Surge post-workout. Now, with its ingredients that are meant to be a superior combination compared to other mixes, such as whey isolate and sucrose, would ingesting whey isolate and sucrose or lactose at the same time as Surge inhibit any of the positive effects that the Surge faithful promote?
In other words, can “lesser” nutrition get in the way of “superior” nutrition when ingested at the same time, or will I get all the great, fast-acting benefits of Surge, followed by the not-as-fast acting benefits of the other protein and carb sources?
Another question. I think I asked this before but maybe it was too late.
I seem to recall reading somewhere that some vegetables are better eaten raw whilst others are better eaten cooked (tomato comes to mind). Is there a rule of thumb, or a master database matching method of preparation to vegetable ?
Massif,
Caffeine does interfere with creatine action in some studies. IIRC, at the site of muscle tissue, probably due to an antagonistic effect on insulin action. (The body treats creatine like a carbohydrate in some ways.)
David, you just did a review, what’s your take?
[quote]Massif wrote:
Hi Guys,
On the whole Creatine thingy, does caffeine mess with creatine absorbtion? This is stuck in my head for some reason.[/quote]
[quote]Bauer97 wrote:
Okay, one more for both of you:
In other words, can “lesser” nutrition get in the way of “superior” nutrition when ingested at the same time, or will I get all the great, fast-acting benefits of Surge, followed by the not-as-fast acting benefits of the other protein and carb sources?[/quote]
A little bit… I’m a bit of a purist when it comes to Surge, so I like it with water and creatine, nothing else.
marcus,
Call me crazy… [quote](David does but who can take a guy with lats like those seriously? --see previous pic) [/quote] …but typical preparation methods aren’t very damaging to the nutrition from vegetables in general. I mean, water (boiling) can leach out some water-soluble nutrients and frying can do so to some extent with fat soluble vites but…
Could this be minutia? I’m open to legit info. on this issue, for sure, though.
[quote]marcus_aurelius wrote:
Guys,
Another question. I think I asked this before but maybe it was too late.
I seem to recall reading somewhere that some vegetables are better eaten raw whilst others are better eaten cooked (tomato comes to mind). Is there a rule of thumb, or a master database matching method of preparation to vegetable ?[/quote]
Are there studies that have shown that excessive protein can cause damage in “healthies”? Or, as I believe I have read on this site, have they all been flawed?
About tuna. With all the hoopla about mercury and tuna, is there any evidence indicating the levels of other contaminants, especially the farm raised type, such as lead, cadmium, arsenic, and all that fun stuff?
I ate almost an entire box of sugar free ice-cream once. The next day at work was ugly.
Again, aside from anecdotal evidence regarding contrast showers / epsom salt baths … is there any scientific reason/evidence to think that this would work ? [ie. is it rooted in good physiological theory ?]
Actually, I slam the protein in water, then start sipping the java.
Good question, though. Although denaturation of say, meat proteins, is no biggie (and denatured egg white is actually safer), the potentially beneficial peptide fractions in casein and whey are touchy (I’ve got a reference here somewhere) and I personally avoid denaturing them - just in case.
[quote]grimskunk wrote:
Lonnie,
I have a quick question concerning your morning cardio tip…
when you mix a half scoop of protein with a cup of hot-coffee before the cardio session…does it denaturates the protein?
[quote]Lonnie Lowery wrote:
Sugar alcohols (mannitol, sorbitol, xylitol) don’t promote cavities nor do they induce blood sugar swings like “the real stuff”. (Hence the listing of “net carbs” on a label.)
In amounts over a few grams per serving, though, their side effects can be explosive. I saw a low-carb “protein bar” a few weeks ago with 23g of sorbitol. Wow. I might as well take a chocolate Exlax.
So, do you (Dave, feel free to answer as well) think that putting some Grow! in hot oatmeal say denatures it? And if so, how much of a problem is it?
[quote]Lonnie Lowery wrote:
Actually, I slam the protein in water, then start sipping the java.
Good question, though. Although denaturation of say, meat proteins, is no biggie (and denatured egg white is actually safer), the potentially beneficial peptide fractions in casein and whey are touchy (I’ve got a reference here somewhere) and I personally avoid denaturing them - just in case.
grimskunk wrote:
Lonnie,
I have a quick question concerning your morning cardio tip…
when you mix a half scoop of protein with a cup of hot-coffee before the cardio session…does it denaturates the protein?
Oh ok. Thanks for help. So now I will drink them seperatly but since I was mixing them together (with whey protein) do you think I messed up everything and burned some lean body mass while doing morning cardio?(I did it 3-4 times a week) since 1 month…
