It happens that yesterday I cracked into my newest bottle of Prosupps Mr. Hyde preworkout.
I noticed after I received delivery of it from an American Webstore that the formula is different that what I had bought in Canada. I knew some ingredients are actually banned here without a prescription, and approached this as starting off with a 3/4 scoop to test it out.
The formula gave me an Hell of a blast, but later in the day I got slight inklings of chest pain. I know all supplements will say on their labels to discontinue if such is the case, but I am hesitant to throw out an almost complete bottle. I don’t suppose a lot of people want to buy something that I may have accidentally got a nose picking into.
If I find when training tomorrow that a half scoop is still effective, and I don’t notice anything off, am I likely clear as to seriously harming my heart?
As an example of my type of question, about an even year ago I bought a 30 dose bottle of Mutant BCAA 9.7. I immediately thought the stuff was amazing, and took several doses the same week, and knew that on the next Friday there would be a big sale with a huge discount on the stuff. By the time it got to Friday I noticed that later during days when I took it I had heart palpitations. I knew that BCAAs were a natural part of my body, so it had to be the myriad of bells and whistles support ingredients that was causing it. I was scared to invest in more, but then noticed the flyer for the sale advertised a deep discount on Revolution pure BCAA, a more bare bones product that didn’t have any frill ingredients. I ended up using up the rest of the Mutant as a half scoop, mixed with a full scoop of the Revolution. I got as good BCAA effect, but no issues.
So I wonder if I can do the same here, switch the Hyde down to a half scoop. If I feel fine, am I really in the clear?
(Interesting side not: Several years ago Health Canada told Prosupps to reduce their scoop size in half for their Canadian formula. What they did was to change the label such that a formerly 30 dose bottle became a 60 dose, and to take no more than half a scoop…so the user has to scoop some out, shake it even, look at it with the light, and determine if it is really half a scoop. The scoop size is the same, and they expect the user to flout Health Canada. I took that formula as a 3/4 scoop and I was fine.)
Yes, the American formula, if taken as a full scoop, has 419mg of caffeine. So my dose was just over 300mg. I also drank as breakfast 2 cups of coffee. It took a number of minutes to finish breakfast, and then i waited an hour before taking the Hyde. I wonder if maybe not taking the extra caffeine on top of the formula might solve my problem, you just made me think of it. I will see tomorrow morning.
thanks for attempting an answer. I have a lot of experience over the last few years with a fairly high caffeine level. I have another product, Musclepharm wreckage, that has 300mg in a full scoop, and I can handle it just fine a bit over an hour after 2 cups of coffee. So the Mr. Hyde is an outlier with this.
Monday was a wiped energy level day anyway, all I did was just a few minutes of cardio.
I stayed off of anything until yesterday morning, Thursday, and this time took the same 3/4 scoop without extra caffeine. I didn’t end up at the end of the day with any chest issues, but when i went out to train I noticed just before starting that my heart rate was elevated, so I thought it reckless to do a hard and high intensity routine. I just did several rounds of shadow boxing.
today I would have trained anyway, but this time I had 1 morning coffee, and eventually had between 1/2 and 3/5 of one scoop. that dose had about 1.3 grams of beta alanine, so I supplemented with another 800mg. I started to suspect higher heart rate just waiting for it to take effect. I knew that I have a psychological investment in doing this, so I thought to take a timed rate. Usually if I get my pulse checked sitting on a chair at a doctor’s office, I get mid 60s. When i got somewhat relaxed I layed down and came out with high 70s. I am unsure what to think. I actually cancelled the session and post here as to what I might do next. I don’t know if I have some stress levels due to doing this product over this past week and that gives a slight rise, and it isn’t a significant increase. Might I try a 1/3 scoop, with extra beta alanine?
I find caffeine to be dirty thing. Mostly for a reason that I became intolerant to it.
To make it worse they put that thing everywhere.
“Logic” says - put shitload of caffeine in it and write “Energy” on label and it’ll sell.
You do have pre workout without caffeine where I live. I tried it and wasn’t really impressed. It’s just creatine, beta-alanine and l-arginine with some other amino acids. Not much of difference, maybe bit better pump and 1 rep more on last set.
At the end I just decided to cut the nonsense and eat a Snickers bar or strawberry muffin as my pre workout LOL
And it works well for me, I like the boost that I get from that sugar. As a bonus - there’s no crash with it either and you’ll sleep like a baby. And you 100% won’t have chest pains. Not to mention it tastes better too.
If you want to try it again, go for it. But if you can identify a specific substance that makes your CHEST HURT WHILE EXERCISING you need to discontinue it immediately.
I haven’t had any pain today so far as this writing, and none since Monday. Like with the BCAA formula I mentioned above, I am experimenting as to a dose that doesn’t cause any symptoms.
The other thing I forgot to mention was that last weekend I used on the 2 days 2 different fat burner sampler packs I got. I have had a doctor say they weren’t a fan of fat burners, as it was put, but I figure I would try them as long as they lasted. i then on Monday cut into the Mr. Hyde and I wonder if maybe a little of this is cumulative effect.
I will dry out from it this weekend and see if a half scoop works out. Or I could change my mind, and discard it.
You probably shouldn’t have chest pains but I also use mr Hyde and sometimes I get really hot flushes and feel like I’m sweating loads because of it. I’d try and just do 1/2 a scoop and see how you go as half a scoop of that is the same as a full scoop of most preworkouts
You can use the @EyeDentist feature to summon him because there is no longer a pm system.
Honestly though, you probably don’t need an MD to tell you that if you miss a work out because of your pre-workout supp, its not worth it.
My go to is coffee with sugar and a scoop of creatine but in honor of the fact that this forum is sponsored by them I’ll also throw in that Brain Candy is also great, and I really loved the old Spike tablets. On both I felt rock solid and super sharp without the jittery nauseous effect that too much caffeine induces.
Like creatine, and NO boosters that make your muscles get more blood and more nutrients… that’s OK.
Then caffeine - makes your brain think it’s not tired when it actually is. It can be useful to get better workout, bit it’s kinda fake energy. It simply makes your brain force your body to work more which can be useful, but high doses have some side effects.
Then here are carbohydrates - they are actually used by your body to produce energy, and they actually have some calories. So that’s real energy. But it’s inconvenient if you are trying to lose weight, and side effect of taking too much is potential weight gain, or it’ll just slow you down on your path to your goal.
Bearing in mind that I’m not your doctor, and I’m not offering medical advice other than that you should see your doctor…
If a young (<40), fit (BF <20-25% or so) individual with a benign past medical history (no diabetes, HTN, cholesterol issues) and no significant family medical history (early-onset coronary artery disease; heart attack at age <50) tells me they had fleeting chest pain at rest that was associated with recent stimulant use, my first thought would be coronary artery spasm:
Yup. If something gave me chest pain I wouldn’t take it, even if I felt sure it was due to vasospasm. Why tempt fate? Especially if the reason you’re tempting it is as silly (in the grand scheme of things) as this:
I totally agree. I didn’t really experience chest pains, but caffeine makes me feel exhaustd and out of breath… I won’t describe further. I even made whole thread about caffeine making people feel ill. It turned out there’s more people affected in similar ways.
I solved this problem by simply avoiding anything with caffeine.
Also I realized creatine often upsets my stomach - so now I avoid that too.
Only supplements I currently use are whey protein and vitamin/mineral pills.
I’m trying to stick with real food for whatever the purpose is.
It isn’t really the caffeine. I am accustomed to a high load of it, day in and day out for decades. I scale back coffee intake for whatever amount I have in a preworkout.
thanks for all that offered a word here. I asked ED because a few years ago he gave some idea about cardio training, specifically if it is possible to overtrain it. I take it if I have to log into the Harvard thing, then I really know he is not my doctor.
I am in transition as to where I live, and will be seeking a new general practitioner when I move next to a more long term address. So for now, I don’t have one. I will put the Mr. Hyde aside until I can get someone who builds a chart on my situation.
What I have been saying is that after about this past Tuesday I didn’t feel any actual pain, and wonder if my sense of a heightened heart rate is just psychosomatic because I have the Hyde situation on my mind. So I wondered if staying off of it for a couple of days and getting back Monday with a half scoop would work out fine, but I suppose I should defer to large red flags on this thread.
Don’t know why the link is tripping a login (it’s a public website). Try Googling Harvard Health coronary artery vasospasm and see if you can get in directly.