Preventing Gyno on Cycle and PCT

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Hi lads,

Few questions about preventing gyno on a dbol and epistane cycle.
I have done a couple of epistane cycles previously in the form of havoc (prohormone), but after the last one was finished I now have slight fatty or puffy tissue around just my left nipple, nothing major but certainly something I’ve noticed. Admittedly my pct for the last cycle wasn’t brilliant, I used over the counter clomadex and was on holiday so it wasn’t done consistently or for long enough.
I’m now starting a dbol and epistane cycle but I’m worried about any further gyno problems as I know dbol aromatises, I don’t plan on running the dbol any higher than 20 mg over the course of it.
Should I be ok provided I run a proper pct this time round, would be going for nolva this time.
Thanks in advance!

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You’re not going to run any type of Test for a base? Nolva can be used during “cycle” for gyno.

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No really not one for needles bit of a whimp when it comes to that, might be something I’ll do in future but not right now.
Will running the nolva during the cycle be alright if it’s being used to for pct as well yeah?

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You should really be running test, and probably only test.

Yes, you can run Nolvadex (Tamoxifen Citrate) through your cycle and for PCT.

What’s clomadex?

Addendum: please don’t tell me you’re using this garbage as your PCT:

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Unfortunately so bro, back then I had nowhere to get proper stuff hence why I was using a prohormone in the first place, lesson learned I guess

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Everyone makes mistakes; just make sure you learn from them.

I would recommend that you wait on further drug use until you can get some proper testosterone (Enanthate or Cypionate); at least 12 weeks worth. Make sure you get some Nolvadex for a proper PCT and some extra just in case you need it on cycle. Also, get over your fear of needles; once you do you’ll be much happier. I find pinning twice a week is much easier and more convenient than taking pills twice a day. Plus your liver will thank you.

How old are you? What are your stats: height, weight, bodyfat, strength numbers, training time?

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Yeah definitely will be going for nolva for whatever I do next, definitely think it was the shitty PCT that’s caused the puffiness as epistane is supposedly anti estrogenic.
I’m 5’6, 163 pounds at the moment
Bench is around 240
Couldn’t say for my squat and deadlift as I’ve had a knee injury that’s kept me from doing them only started doing leg work again last month, prior to that my dead was 308 and squat around 230/40
Been training around 3/4 years I’d say

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So you are going to run two orals that have a high potential for hepatotoxicity? No liver supps? No test base?

Did you research any of this?

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I am running liver supports along side it that goes without saying, I just didn’t mention it because it’s nothing to do with what I asked, as I also mentioned I’m not running them at a super high dose- epistane 30mg dbol 20mg will be the max dose I go to. I know I’d be better off with a test base just not wanting to start injecting just yet

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Out of curiosity… did you retain anything from your use other than gyno?

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Yeah definitely, did lose a bit which was to be expected, I’d say I kept about 6 pounds of the 10-12 I put on, the more noticeable decrease was in my strength