President's Speech to School Kids

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Certainly there was nothing troubling about what President Obama had to say to our school children. What I wonder however is why did he have to say anything to them?

From prior observations it seems that most politicians, both republicans and democrats, don’t do anything unless it also furthers their political agenda. This begs the question, what agenda does Obama have for our school children? He could be simply trying to sway those who will be old enough to vote in 3 1/2 years, or it could be something else.

Those who think that there is a mass conspiracy to control students minds are just as wrong as those who think that there was no hidden agenda.

“Anybody that wants the Presidency so much that he’ll spend two years organizing and campaigning for it is not to be trusted with the office.”

David Broder

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Yeah, there were a lot of politics involved with his speech :rolleyes: Get outta here.[/quote]

lol, why are YOU so upset?

At worst people who disagree with his speech are idiots. I don’t see why you are so concerned that the president be able to talk to the kids, especially when you don’t have kids.

It makes Zero, Zilch, Zip, difference to you whether he talks to them or not.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Certainly there was nothing troubling about what President Obama had to say to our school children. What I wonder however is why did he have to say anything to them?

From prior observations it seems that most politicians, both republicans and democrats, don’t do anything unless it also furthers their political agenda. This begs the question, what agenda does Obama have for our school children? He could be simply trying to sway those who will be old enough to vote in 3 1/2 years, or it could be something else.

Those who think that there is a mass conspiracy to control students minds are just as wrong as those who think that there was no hidden agenda.

“Anybody that wants the Presidency so much that he’ll spend two years organizing and campaigning for it is not to be trusted with the office.”

David Broder
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Hidden agenda? What was the “hidden agenda” for “No child left behind”? Further, what president over the last 30 or 40 years has never spoken to the children of America directly?

My clinic is now in the middle of a fairly low income community. Some of these kids see going to jail as just another pit stop in life. Of the ones not in jail, getting a GED “one day” seems to be the other life route. If you truly think no one needed to speak directly to these kids, especially someone they might be able to relate to better than our previous president, then I can only wonder what area of the country you actually live in.

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Prez said
“You’ll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You’ll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free.”

Now, I don’t know about anyone else, but THIS is indoctrination to the leftist agenda. I’m ok with him speaking to kids about working hard and staying in school, but that’s the parents job anyway. He can add the umph, but to tell kids to work toward social justice, protecting the environment and fighting poverty never creates inginuity toward any industrial or good and service progress, or the real progress we need. Again, we want to make the world “More Fair” and his social justice and “fairness” policies were spouted to our kids.

Working hard equates to me not letting my family down. He equated it to letting their 'Country" down…or Obama himself.

Nobody else seevthis?

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Prez said
“You’ll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You’ll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free.”

Now, I don’t know about anyone else, but THIS is indoctrination to the leftist agenda. I’m ok with him speaking to kids about working hard and staying in school, but that’s the parents job anyway. He can add the umph, but to tell kids to work toward social justice, protecting the environment and fighting poverty never creates inginuity toward any industrial or good and service progress, or the real progress we need. Again, we want to make the world “More Fair” and his social justice and “fairness” policies were spouted to our kids.

Working hard equates to me not letting my family down. He equated it to letting their 'Country" down…or Obama himself.

Nobody else seevthis?
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I doubt anyone else but those of you searching hard for ANYTHING to bitch about sees anything wrote with those words. No politician who is not a republican would be able to say much of anything if it had to clear your apparently stringent requirements.

It simply pisses most of you off that he is the president and the republicans aren’t in office at the moment. What he says is almost irrelevant because you will find something wrong with it whether there is anything there or not.

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Humm

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/53712

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Prez said
“You’ll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You’ll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free.”

Now, I don’t know about anyone else, but THIS is indoctrination to the leftist agenda. I’m ok with him speaking to kids about working hard and staying in school, but that’s the parents job anyway. He can add the umph, but to tell kids to work toward social justice, protecting the environment and fighting poverty never creates inginuity toward any industrial or good and service progress, or the real progress we need. Again, we want to make the world “More Fair” and his social justice and “fairness” policies were spouted to our kids.

Working hard equates to me not letting my family down. He equated it to letting their 'Country" down…or Obama himself.

Nobody else seevthis?
[/quote]

What is wrong with social justice is it too liberal for you :slight_smile:

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
It simply pisses most of you off that he is the president and the republicans aren’t in office at the moment. What he says is almost irrelevant because you will find something wrong with it whether there is anything there or not.[/quote]

Likewise to you. It simply pisses you off that anyone could have a problem with this president. Someone who pushes a social justice agenda, who appoints a radical activist Racist Czars like Van Jones, who did talk about health care reform…to our CHILDREN.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Prez said
“You’ll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You’ll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free.”

Now, I don’t know about anyone else, but THIS is indoctrination to the leftist agenda. I’m ok with him speaking to kids about working hard and staying in school, but that’s the parents job anyway. He can add the umph, but to tell kids to work toward social justice, protecting the environment and fighting poverty never creates inginuity toward any industrial or good and service progress, or the real progress we need. Again, we want to make the world “More Fair” and his social justice and “fairness” policies were spouted to our kids.

Working hard equates to me not letting my family down. He equated it to letting their 'Country" down…or Obama himself.

Nobody else seevthis?

What is wrong with social justice is it too liberal for you :)[/quote]

Absolutely. The next step is reparations.

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Prez said
“You’ll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You’ll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free.”

Now, I don’t know about anyone else, but THIS is indoctrination to the leftist agenda. I’m ok with him speaking to kids about working hard and staying in school, but that’s the parents job anyway. He can add the umph, but to tell kids to work toward social justice, protecting the environment and fighting poverty never creates inginuity toward any industrial or good and service progress, or the real progress we need. Again, we want to make the world “More Fair” and his social justice and “fairness” policies were spouted to our kids.

Working hard equates to me not letting my family down. He equated it to letting their 'Country" down…or Obama himself.

Nobody else seevthis?

What is wrong with social justice is it too liberal for you :)[/quote]

It’s too against the very basis of what made the country free and great for me personally.

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Somebody help push me to 5,000!!

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Prez said
“You’ll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You’ll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free.”

Now, I don’t know about anyone else, but THIS is indoctrination to the leftist agenda. I’m ok with him speaking to kids about working hard and staying in school, but that’s the parents job anyway. He can add the umph, but to tell kids to work toward social justice, protecting the environment and fighting poverty never creates inginuity toward any industrial or good and service progress, or the real progress we need. Again, we want to make the world “More Fair” and his social justice and “fairness” policies were spouted to our kids.

Working hard equates to me not letting my family down. He equated it to letting their 'Country" down…or Obama himself.

Nobody else seevthis?
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Your debating the merits of political philosophy. I’m sure many people on these boards feel that devoting energy to curing diseases, finding alternative energy sources, and lowering poverty rates is a waste of time but the majority of the educated community will disagree because political science tells us otherwise. Those are goals that should be shared across party lines.

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[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Prez said
“You’ll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You’ll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free.”

Now, I don’t know about anyone else, but THIS is indoctrination to the leftist agenda. I’m ok with him speaking to kids about working hard and staying in school, but that’s the parents job anyway. He can add the umph, but to tell kids to work toward social justice, protecting the environment and fighting poverty never creates inginuity toward any industrial or good and service progress, or the real progress we need. Again, we want to make the world “More Fair” and his social justice and “fairness” policies were spouted to our kids.

Working hard equates to me not letting my family down. He equated it to letting their 'Country" down…or Obama himself.

Nobody else seevthis?

Your debating the merits of political philosophy. I’m sure many people on these boards feel that devoting energy to curing diseases, finding alternative energy sources, and lowering poverty rates is a waste of time but the majority of the educated community will disagree because political science tells us otherwise. Those are goals that should be shared across party lines. [/quote]

I actually want to know what they would have wanted him to say.

“Hi, kids. I just wanted to tell all of you…that it doesn’t matter of you drop out of school. I personally think it would be just fine if you all dropped out together and helped us eradicate the rest of the natural rain forests, just as long as you do NOT help us cure any diseases or look for any new sources of energy. That would be “leftist” and flat out wrong. Also, the next time you see a homeless person…you have my presidential permission to kick them. Go ahead, kids, punt a hobo for the prez! We need to make this country as unfair and close to anarchy as possible.”

I am very interested in what would have actually cleared the “rightist” agenda.

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[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Prez said
“You’ll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You’ll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free.”

Now, I don’t know about anyone else, but THIS is indoctrination to the leftist agenda. I’m ok with him speaking to kids about working hard and staying in school, but that’s the parents job anyway. He can add the umph, but to tell kids to work toward social justice, protecting the environment and fighting poverty never creates inginuity toward any industrial or good and service progress, or the real progress we need. Again, we want to make the world “More Fair” and his social justice and “fairness” policies were spouted to our kids.

Working hard equates to me not letting my family down. He equated it to letting their 'Country" down…or Obama himself.

Nobody else seevthis?

Your debating the merits of political philosophy. I’m sure many people on these boards feel that devoting energy to curing diseases, finding alternative energy sources, and lowering poverty rates is a waste of time but the majority of the educated community will disagree because political science tells us otherwise. Those are goals that should be shared across party lines. [/quote]

And again:

Socialism, like the ancient ideas from which it springs, confuses the distinction between government and society. As a result of this, every time we object to a thing being done by government, the socialists conclude that we object to its being done at all.

We disapprove of state education. Then the socialists say that we are opposed to any education. We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality. Then they say that we are against equality. And so on, and so on. It is as if the socialists were to accuse us of not wanting persons to eat because we do not want the state to raise grain.

http://bastiat.org/en/the_law.html#SECTION_G733

Seriously, how do you feel spouting fallacies that were debunked over 200 years ago?

Plus, political sciences is an oxymoron if it contains a call for action. It is either political or a science.

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[quote]
Rockscar wrote:

Working hard equates to me not letting my family down. He equated it to letting their 'Country" down…or Obama himself.

Nobody else seevthis?[/quote]

Working hard to me equates to not letting MYSELF down. However, if all I thought of was myself I never would have gone into the military. I guarantee if Bush had made the exact same statement it would have been seen as “patriotism”. For some reason, the same does not apply here.

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[quote]orion wrote:

We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality.
[/quote]

That’s funny. One of the main issues brought up was that Obama was against this being seen as a “Christian society”…yet now he wants state religion? I’m confused. Could you explain this socialist agenda in more detail?

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:
Prez said
“You’ll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You’ll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free.”

[/quote]

This isn’t leftist. The way it’s worded, even a libertarian could say something like this this. Note, he never mentions if these issues are handled in the pulic or private domain.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
It simply pisses most of you off that he is the president and the republicans aren’t in office at the moment. [/quote]

Not me. I’ve never voted for a Republican presidential candidate (or a Democrat for that matter). My hands are clean of the clusterfuck that is the two-party system.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:

We object to a state religion. Then the socialists say that we want no religion at all. We object to a state-enforced equality.

That’s funny. One of the main issues brought up was that Obama was against this being seen as a “Christian society”…yet now he wants state religion? I’m confused. Could you explain this socialist agenda in more detail?[/quote]

This is from Bastiat s “The Law”, the link was in the post.

I do not bother to reply to some fallacies anymore, I just post a link that shows that the basic modus operandi of some people has not changed the last 200 years.

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I think sometimes people get so blinded by their political views that it is hard for them to acknowledge anything positive coming out of the other party. It’s human nature, I guess.

I hated George W. Bush, but I would have supported him speaking to my kids in school as the U.S. President. Obama had a simple message of studying hard and reinforced the value of getting a good education. Who can disagree with that, and why does it matter who says it?