[quote]John S. wrote:
Is it unreasonable that someone would think with an activity like that, that maybe just maybe the president would be talking about health care, or cap and trade or anything like that?[/quote]
Is it unreasonable to assume that a majority of the K - 12 audience has absolutely no idea what “cap and trade” is?
[quote]anonym wrote:
John S. wrote:
Is it unreasonable that someone would think with an activity like that, that maybe just maybe the president would be talking about health care, or cap and trade or anything like that?
Is it unreasonable to assume that a majority of the K - 12 audience has absolutely no idea what “cap and trade” is?[/quote]
Big evil cooperation are trying to kill the planet. If we pass cap and trade we can save the planet. There I just got every kid from k-12 supporting cap and trade
[quote]John S. wrote:
anonym wrote:
John S. wrote:
Is it unreasonable that someone would think with an activity like that, that maybe just maybe the president would be talking about health care, or cap and trade or anything like that?
Is it unreasonable to assume that a majority of the K - 12 audience has absolutely no idea what “cap and trade” is?
Big evil cooperation are trying to kill the planet. If we pass cap and trade we can save the planet. There I just got every kid from k-12 supporting cap and trade[/quote]
And - what? - you assumed that was going to be oh-so-subtly plugged into what was stated to be strictly a back to school speech?
[quote]anonym wrote:
John S. wrote:
anonym wrote:
John S. wrote:
Is it unreasonable that someone would think with an activity like that, that maybe just maybe the president would be talking about health care, or cap and trade or anything like that?
Is it unreasonable to assume that a majority of the K - 12 audience has absolutely no idea what “cap and trade” is?
Big evil cooperation are trying to kill the planet. If we pass cap and trade we can save the planet. There I just got every kid from k-12 supporting cap and trade
And - what? - you assumed that was going to be oh-so-subtly plugged into what was stated to be strictly a back to school speech?[/quote]
Look at the big picture, the lesson plan for after the speech was to have kids write a letter saying how they can help Obama achieve his goals. It is not unreasonable that some people saw a connection.
[quote]John S. wrote:
anonym wrote:
John S. wrote:
anonym wrote:
John S. wrote:
Is it unreasonable that someone would think with an activity like that, that maybe just maybe the president would be talking about health care, or cap and trade or anything like that?
Is it unreasonable to assume that a majority of the K - 12 audience has absolutely no idea what “cap and trade” is?
Big evil cooperation are trying to kill the planet. If we pass cap and trade we can save the planet. There I just got every kid from k-12 supporting cap and trade
And - what? - you assumed that was going to be oh-so-subtly plugged into what was stated to be strictly a back to school speech?
Look at the big picture, the lesson plan for after the speech was to have kids write a letter saying how they can help Obama achieve his goals. It is not unreasonable that some people saw a connection. [/quote]
Really? The lesson plan told children to write a letter about how they can help Obama achieve his goals? You sure it wasn’t about ways they can “help the President” (which, within the context of a speech that was stated to be STRICTLY about boosting interest in education, is pretty fucking clear to everyone who isn’t busy grinding axes)?
Sloth was exactly right when he wrote that, no matter how this turned out, some of you nutjobs were going to get yourselves off over this. You whine wolf and, should the wolf shows up, you’d all pat yourselves on the back about what astute little ‘Constitutional Watchdogs’ you are and how you knew it all along. If you whine wolf and you never even hear so much as a howl or see a paw print (except, of course, for when you INSIST beyond all reason that those tracks in the dirt belong to a wolf and not a deer), well, you just scared the damn thing away in the first place. Pat yourselves on the back, again.
The “big picture” you are speaking of is one that is only visible if you stand way, way out in left field, squint your eyes a little bit and put on a tinfoil cap.
Once again, I agree with Sloth (one of the few people in this thread who have made any sense since the beginning) that there are much more important and sensible things out there to get up in arms over.
Help the President, what are they supposed to help him with? His goals maybe?
Once they took the lesson plan out I was fine with the speech, I have said many times. But I am also saying that parents had a reason to be upset. How are you not getting this.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:
Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:
Professor X wrote:
The people overreacting to this look like idiots. Sorry. they are also coming across about as UNpatriotic as you can get considering this is the fucking PRESIDENT and I seriously doubt this would have been tolerated for ANY speech given by Bush about kids in school.
Congrats. You right wingers sure are doing a great job of being so…“elitist”.
The idea that patriotism equals automatic support for the president is so un-American.
That confuses me for how can someone be un-American and an American patriot at the same time?
For 8 years we were informed that we were unpatriotic if we didn’t support Bush and the war. It is funny how things change.
It never changed.
The claim was BS then and still is now.
I still believe though that a true American patriot must tar and feather a tax collector at least once in his live, similar to the Hadj for a true Muslim.
Oh, we don’t disagree…I am just pointing out how hypocritical “The Right” seems to be. They claimed that democrats were stopping conventions by complaining about “loony left issues”…then they bring loaded guns to Presidential speeches…speeches that have NOTHING to do with gun control. They interrupt public speeches in Town Halls and literally yell down the president.[/quote]
X, you are looking at this concept from the wrong perspective. Not only is it unproductive, but it is also rather dangerous. You would be wise not to lump these tea party guys, especially the armed ones in as simple right-wingers who loved Bush. This board alone is legion with members who readily call out W. Sure, there are plenty of people going to these tea parties that would have been okay with this had W been the guy to push it. But this movement is much more fragmented and individualist than they are being portrayed.
As for showing up armed: do not confuse the message. This isn’t an attempt to stifle talk. It isn’t a bunch of people with small dicks trying to intimidate others. This is POLITICAL SPEECH. I regularly open carry here in Idaho and have been for years. It is political speech. The message is simple. There is a large contingent of this country that is pissed. We are mad at the government’s intrusion in our lives in all arenas. This is the dog baring his teeth to show that he still has them. This is the rattlesnake shaking his tail – Don’t Tread on Me.
Everyone points and laughs and says, “Oh those crazy people carrying guns to town halls need to get their heads checked.” Do you honestly think it wise to marginalize and laugh at the people who have been pushed far enough to do something as crazy as bringing guns to meetings? That says something X and the country would be wise to at least give them a forum.
Most of these people are paper tigers, but it would be folly to assume they all are. This is not simply a movement of Bush apologists. But lumping them up as such you only continue to marginalize them and will certainly fan the flames even more.
As an aside too, sometimes politicians need to be yelled at. They are no better than any of us – not that I advocate yelling at your fellows either, but good luck pulling that one off.
CYA Moment I’m not advocating violent revolution here, just making an observation.[quote]
Yes, the largest damage I see here is that kids will notice (if they are old enough to remember even 8 years ago) that their parents didn’t act like this for Bush. No one pulled kids out of school because of a speech to kids. No one acted like their kids were going to be brain washed.
What I see from “the Right” is far worse than any damage done by a “loony left”…and it will last much longer.[/quote]
We cannot help but have our politicians be on the right or left due to the nature of the system, but if we cannot stop referring to each other as to being on one end of the spectrum we will not be capable of cordial discourse or any understanding of each other.
mike
[quote]Schlenkatank wrote:
Thank you prof x for for posting easily and succinctly what needed to be said.
Presidents have talked for ages to school kids without using that opportunity to gain a political edge. This so called “public outcry” against his speech is really nothing but a shared sense of fear for the presidents ideas from the right. The terms communism, socialism, racist, and fascist get thrown around so much lately that certain people are living in fear of their government.[/quote]
If you aren’t afraid of your government then you aren’t paying attention.[quote]
We have to remember that America is designed so that we always have choice, and if you don’t want your kids to listen to Obama then take them out of school. Of course you will be doing yourself a disservice to hear our president talk.[/quote]
Agreed. We should be listening to all points and having your kids not listen to the president is folly. That doesn’t mean you should take what he says to heart.
mike
[quote]John S. wrote:
Help the President, what are they supposed to help him with? His goals maybe?
Once they took the lesson plan out I was fine with the speech, I have said many times. But I am also saying that parents had a reason to be upset. How are you not getting this.[/quote]
I get it. I just honestly don’t think it was “reasonable” to assume the Obama administration was trying to slip some Socialism in under the radar with a speech that was publicly announced to only be concerned with getting kids more involved in their academics.
If you can’t look at the questions within the context of the speech before coming to a conclusion as to their intent, maybe Obama should’ve done this back when YOU were in school.
[quote]anonym wrote:
John S. wrote:
Help the President, what are they supposed to help him with? His goals maybe?
Once they took the lesson plan out I was fine with the speech, I have said many times. But I am also saying that parents had a reason to be upset. How are you not getting this.
I get it. I just honestly don’t think it was “reasonable” to assume the Obama administration was trying to slip some Socialism in under the radar with a speech that was publicly announced to only be concerned with getting kids more involved in their academics.
If you can’t look at the questions within the context of the speech before coming to a conclusion as to their intent, maybe Obama should’ve done this back when YOU were in school.[/quote]
Are you kidding me? I got on this not because I thought he was passing a socialist agenda, but because I want politics out of school from the left and the right. Obama is being pretty open about his socialist idea’s I don’t think he is trying to hide it.
I think the speech he gave was great. I think he modified it a bit after the controversy but all in all I agree with it.
Tho because he has been pretty open about his socialistic desires I can see how some parents would think indoctrination. Parents tend to be protective or dare I say over protective of their kids.
I agree this needs to die, it should have been dead after he dropped the lesson plan.
Yeah, there were a lot of politics involved with his speech :rolleyes: Get outta here.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Yeah, there were a lot of politics involved with his speech :rolleyes: Get outta here.[/quote]
[quote]John S. wrote:
I agree this needs to die, it should have been dead after he dropped the lesson plan.[/quote]
Good call… the last thing we need is students writing essays about what they can do to become more responsible, or commit their goals for their education into writing. That would be Socialism. Let the kids just sit there passively, that’s what freedom is all about.
[quote]K2000 wrote:
John S. wrote:
I agree this needs to die, it should have been dead after he dropped the lesson plan.
Good call… the last thing we need is students writing essays about what they can do to become more responsible, or commit their goals for their education into writing. That would be Socialism. Let the kids just sit there passively, that’s what freedom is all about.
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Jesus fuck
mike
[quote]K2000 wrote:
John S. wrote:
I agree this needs to die, it should have been dead after he dropped the lesson plan.
Good call… the last thing we need is students writing essays about what they can do to become more responsible, or commit their goals for their education into writing. That would be Socialism. Let the kids just sit there passively, that’s what freedom is all about.
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See post above yours for answer.
Are you people trolling or do you really not get it?
[quote]Mikeyali wrote:
As for showing up armed: do not confuse the message. This isn’t an attempt to stifle talk. It isn’t a bunch of people with small dicks trying to intimidate others. This is POLITICAL SPEECH. I regularly open carry here in Idaho and have been for years. It is political speech. The message is simple. There is a large contingent of this country that is pissed. We are mad at the government’s intrusion in our lives in all arenas. This is the dog baring his teeth to show that he still has them. This is the rattlesnake shaking his tail – Don’t Tread on Me.
Everyone points and laughs and says, “Oh those crazy people carrying guns to town halls need to get their heads checked.” Do you honestly think it wise to marginalize and laugh at the people who have been pushed far enough to do something as crazy as bringing guns to meetings? That says something X and the country would be wise to at least give them a forum.
Most of these people are paper tigers, but it would be folly to assume they all are. This is not simply a movement of Bush apologists. But lumping them up as such you only continue to marginalize them and will certainly fan the flames even more.
As an aside too, sometimes politicians need to be yelled at. They are no better than any of us – not that I advocate yelling at your fellows either, but good luck pulling that one off.
CYA Moment I’m not advocating violent revolution here, just making an observation.
mike[/quote]
nudge, nudge…wink, wink
[quote]John S. wrote:
Are you people trolling or do you really not get it?[/quote]
get what? That you think the prez is tryin to brainwash the youth so he can be elected for another 20 yrs?
Sloth, I don’t know if you’re still reading, but I feel for you.