President's Speech to School Kids

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Certainly there was nothing troubling about what President Obama had to say to our school children. What I wonder however is why did he have to say anything to them?

From prior observations it seems that most politicians, both republicans and democrats, don’t do anything unless it also furthers their political agenda. This begs the question, what agenda does Obama have for our school children? He could be simply trying to sway those who will be old enough to vote in 3 1/2 years, or it could be something else.

Those who think that there is a mass conspiracy to control students minds are just as wrong as those who think that there was no hidden agenda.

“Anybody that wants the Presidency so much that he’ll spend two years organizing and campaigning for it is not to be trusted with the office.”

David Broder

Hidden agenda? What was the “hidden agenda” for “No child left behind”? Further, what president over the last 30 or 40 years has never spoken to the children of America directly?

My clinic is now in the middle of a fairly low income community. Some of these kids see going to jail as just another pit stop in life. Of the ones not in jail, getting a GED “one day” seems to be the other life route. If you truly think no one needed to speak directly to these kids, especially someone they might be able to relate to better than our previous president, then I can only wonder what area of the country you actually live in.
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While Bush did have the “No child left behind” policy in his administration he never once directly spoke to the nations school children. Do you think he should have? Do you think one short speech by any President directed at school children will have any impact? It might have done some good, certainly no harm. After having watched many Presidential election cycles I do wonder what other reasons were involved. I can only speculate and I already have in my previous post. Obviously, if there is a hidden agenda you and I don’t know what that is that’s why it’s called “hidden”.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Certainly there was nothing troubling about what President Obama had to say to our school children. What I wonder however is why did he have to say anything to them?

From prior observations it seems that most politicians, both republicans and democrats, don’t do anything unless it also furthers their political agenda. This begs the question, what agenda does Obama have for our school children? He could be simply trying to sway those who will be old enough to vote in 3 1/2 years, or it could be something else.

Those who think that there is a mass conspiracy to control students minds are just as wrong as those who think that there was no hidden agenda.

“Anybody that wants the Presidency so much that he’ll spend two years organizing and campaigning for it is not to be trusted with the office.”

David Broder

Hidden agenda? What was the “hidden agenda” for “No child left behind”? Further, what president over the last 30 or 40 years has never spoken to the children of America directly?

My clinic is now in the middle of a fairly low income community. Some of these kids see going to jail as just another pit stop in life. Of the ones not in jail, getting a GED “one day” seems to be the other life route. If you truly think no one needed to speak directly to these kids, especially someone they might be able to relate to better than our previous president, then I can only wonder what area of the country you actually live in.

While Bush did have the “No child left behind” policy in his administration he never once directly spoke to the nations school children. Do you think he should have? Do you think one short speech by any President directed at school children will have any impact? It might have done some good, certainly no harm. After having watched many Presidential election cycles I do wonder what other reasons were involved. I can only speculate and I already have in my previous post. Obviously, if there is a hidden agenda you and I don’t know what that is that’s why it’s called “hidden”.
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Are you serious? You think what many people perceive as the first black president speaking to kids has NO impact on the children in this country? NONE at all? Here’s a little insight…people in the inner city do pay attention. They may not change anything, but to say he has NO impact on youth by simply reaching that office is short sighted to say the least.

You can guarantee that if Hillary had won, young girls would be looking up to her as well even if YOUR particular family might not.

Bush wasn’t exactly seen as someone who cared about much else other than his own personal interests. I really doubt that history will be as kind as republican party members would like it to be.

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So…how many of y’all feel like dumbasses for freaking out?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

It simply pisses most of you off that he is the president and the republicans aren’t in office at the moment. What he says is almost irrelevant because you will find something wrong with it whether there is anything there or not.[/quote]

I think you’re getting close. As for me it’s upsetting that someone so radical would be elected to the Presidency. It’s upsetting that the press gave him a free ride on a number of issues. It’s upsetting that he has hired many far left (Van Jones and company) individuals and placed them in positions of power. It’s upsetting that he wants to take money from people who have worked hard for it and basically give it to people who do not have it.

In general I don’t trust his decision making ability and positions he holds so dear seem so wrong to me. Further, he is an unproven entity and from what we do know he’s very much far left. So yea, I will be questioning every move he makes. But I assure you I’ll stop well short of the legion of nut bags that hated GW with a passion and to this day want to verbally attack him 8 months after he has left office.

The big difference being I don’t hate President Obama and in fact think he’s a very charismatic guy and a great speaker and I wish him well personally. However I am very disgusted with his policy views and will work to help put more republicans in the Senate and House next year and will also work hard for whomever the republican candidate is in 3 years.

In short as an adult I can separate the man from his policy and harbor no animosity for the man as I believe that in his own way he has good intentions, we just simply do not agree.

Now tell me something can most on your side say the same thing about President Bush?

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[quote]Rockscar wrote:
pittbulll wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
Prez said
“You’ll need the knowledge and problem-solving skills you learn in science and math to cure diseases like cancer and AIDS, and to develop new energy technologies and protect our environment. You’ll need the insights and critical thinking skills you gain in history and social studies to fight poverty and homelessness, crime and discrimination, and make our nation more fair and more free.”

Now, I don’t know about anyone else, but THIS is indoctrination to the leftist agenda. I’m ok with him speaking to kids about working hard and staying in school, but that’s the parents job anyway. He can add the umph, but to tell kids to work toward social justice, protecting the environment and fighting poverty never creates inginuity toward any industrial or good and service progress, or the real progress we need. Again, we want to make the world “More Fair” and his social justice and “fairness” policies were spouted to our kids.

Working hard equates to me not letting my family down. He equated it to letting their 'Country" down…or Obama himself.

Nobody else seevthis?

What is wrong with social justice is it too liberal for you :slight_smile:

Absolutely. The next step is reparations.
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Reparations is an impossibility, you might as well worry about an overhaul of the out dated antiquated health care system that will fail before it is overhauled

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[quote]pittbulll wrote:

What is wrong with social justice is it too liberal for you :)[/quote]

Tell me pittbull what is your definition of “social justice”?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
It’s upsetting that he wants to take money from people who have worked hard for it and basically give it to people who do not have it.
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This is interesting to me…because under Bush and still currently, I lose much of my paycheck to income tax simply because I’m single and not poor. You, for some reason, seem to think things are better the way they are and were? LOL.

[quote]Now tell me something can most on your side say the same thing about President Bush?
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My side? Now that was funny. I would have voted libertarian if they would have had a chance in hell. Pointing out how loony the “Christian Right” is does not label me a democrat. Not seeing Obama as Hitler does not make me one either.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Certainly there was nothing troubling about what President Obama had to say to our school children. What I wonder however is why did he have to say anything to them?

From prior observations it seems that most politicians, both republicans and democrats, don’t do anything unless it also furthers their political agenda. This begs the question, what agenda does Obama have for our school children? He could be simply trying to sway those who will be old enough to vote in 3 1/2 years, or it could be something else.

Those who think that there is a mass conspiracy to control students minds are just as wrong as those who think that there was no hidden agenda.

“Anybody that wants the Presidency so much that he’ll spend two years organizing and campaigning for it is not to be trusted with the office.”

David Broder

Hidden agenda? What was the “hidden agenda” for “No child left behind”? Further, what president over the last 30 or 40 years has never spoken to the children of America directly?

My clinic is now in the middle of a fairly low income community. Some of these kids see going to jail as just another pit stop in life. Of the ones not in jail, getting a GED “one day” seems to be the other life route. If you truly think no one needed to speak directly to these kids, especially someone they might be able to relate to better than our previous president, then I can only wonder what area of the country you actually live in.

While Bush did have the “No child left behind” policy in his administration he never once directly spoke to the nations school children. Do you think he should have? Do you think one short speech by any President directed at school children will have any impact? It might have done some good, certainly no harm. After having watched many Presidential election cycles I do wonder what other reasons were involved. I can only speculate and I already have in my previous post. Obviously, if there is a hidden agenda you and I don’t know what that is that’s why it’s called “hidden”.

Are you serious? You think what many people perceive as the first black president speaking to kids has NO impact on the children in this country? NONE at all? Here’s a little insight…people in the inner city do pay attention. They may not change anything, but to say he has NO impact on youth by simply reaching that office is short sighted to say the least.

You can guarantee that if Hillary had won, young girls would be looking up to her as well even if YOUR particular family might not.[/quote]

Agreed, I think we inject race way too much into these conversations, but I’m willing to deal with some of the middle class freaking out since they can undo whatever damage the speech may have caused their kids if the result is inspiring some inner city kids to get their shit together.[quote]

Bush wasn’t exactly seen as someone who cared about much else other than his own personal interests. I really doubt that history will be as kind as republican party members would like it to be.[/quote]

I think Bush wasn’t seen TO YOU as someone who yadda yadda yadda. History won’t be kind to Bush for the same reasons it won’t be kind to Bush’s third term in Obama. Then again, history smiles on FDR, so what do I know?

mike

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
It’s upsetting that he wants to take money from people who have worked hard for it and basically give it to people who do not have it.

This is interesting to me…because under Bush and still currently, I lose much of my paycheck to income tax simply because I’m single and not poor. You, for some reason, seem to think things are better the way they are and were? LOL. [/quote]

I disagree with much that GW did while in office. He did not turn out to be be the conservative that I voted for. With that said, the direction which Obama is trying to lead this nation will make GW look like he’s right of Ronald Reagan.

[quote]Now tell me something can most on your side say the same thing about President Bush?

My side? Now that was funny. I would have voted libertarian if they would have had a chance in hell. Pointing out how loony the “Christian Right” is does not label me a democrat. Not seeing Obama as Hitler does not make me one either.[/quote]

I commend you on looking for a good libertarian to vote for. If the republicans continue to wonder around looking for their identity I’ll be right next to you on that one.

The reason I said “your side” is that you have shown up on these threads for several years seeming to back democrats and usually liberal ideas. Here you are once again defending Obama the most liberal President to ever occupy the oval office, tell me what’s changed?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

What is wrong with social justice is it too liberal for you :slight_smile:

Tell me pittbull what is your definition of “social justice”?

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[quote]orion wrote:
ZEB wrote:
pittbulll wrote:

What is wrong with social justice is it too liberal for you :slight_smile:

Tell me pittbull what is your definition of “social justice”?
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Is that an evil capitalist taking money out of the hands of labor?!

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
It’s upsetting that he wants to take money from people who have worked hard for it and basically give it to people who do not have it.

This is interesting to me…because under Bush and still currently, I lose much of my paycheck to income tax simply because I’m single and not poor. You, for some reason, seem to think things are better the way they are and were? LOL.

I disagree with much that GW did while in office. He did not turn out to be be the conservative that I voted for. With that said, the direction which Obama is trying to lead this nation will make GW look like he’s right of Ronald Reagan.

Now tell me something can most on your side say the same thing about President Bush?

My side? Now that was funny. I would have voted libertarian if they would have had a chance in hell. Pointing out how loony the “Christian Right” is does not label me a democrat. Not seeing Obama as Hitler does not make me one either.

I commend you on looking for a good libertarian to vote for. If the republicans continue to wonder around looking for their identity I’ll be right next to you on that one.

The reason I said “your side” is that you have shown up on these threads for several years seeming to back democrats and usually liberal ideas. Here you are once again defending Obama the most liberal President to ever occupy the oval office, tell me what’s changed?
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I defend what I believe in. I do not give a shit about “party stance” and do not fit easily into a box. I like to debate ISSUES, not PEOPLE. I do believe we need an alternate source of energy. In fact, I tend to think anyone who does not see this need has their head up their ass and can only see as far as their next SUV purchase. I do believe that kids today need someone they can look up to…and if a few thousand teenagers now see they can achieve anything because a man who would be seen by most as “black” made it into office, more power to him.

Most of the idiots on your side of the aisle with the loudest voices aren’t even smart enough to understand some of the issues they speak against. The people on those videos I posted yelling at the podium are fucking animals parading around as human beings. Will I go out of my way to point that out? Usually, no…but this is the political forum…and when I get phone calls from my mother, who is a teacher, stating that people pulled their kids out of school in fear of Obama, clearly the “christian right” needs a pimp slap of epic proportions.

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When did this become a “Christian” issue?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
It’s upsetting that he wants to take money from people who have worked hard for it and basically give it to people who do not have it.

This is interesting to me…because under Bush and still currently, I lose much of my paycheck to income tax simply because I’m single and not poor. You, for some reason, seem to think things are better the way they are and were? LOL.

I disagree with much that GW did while in office. He did not turn out to be be the conservative that I voted for. With that said, the direction which Obama is trying to lead this nation will make GW look like he’s right of Ronald Reagan.

Now tell me something can most on your side say the same thing about President Bush?

My side? Now that was funny. I would have voted libertarian if they would have had a chance in hell. Pointing out how loony the “Christian Right” is does not label me a democrat. Not seeing Obama as Hitler does not make me one either.

I commend you on looking for a good libertarian to vote for. If the republicans continue to wonder around looking for their identity I’ll be right next to you on that one.

The reason I said “your side” is that you have shown up on these threads for several years seeming to back democrats and usually liberal ideas. Here you are once again defending Obama the most liberal President to ever occupy the oval office, tell me what’s changed?

Most of the idiots on your side of the aisle with the loudest voices aren’t even smart enough to understand some of the issues they speak against. The people on those videos I posted yelling at the podium are fucking animals parading around as human beings. Will I go out of my way to point that out? Usually, no…but this is the political forum…and when I get phone calls from my mother, who is a teacher, stating that people pulled their kids out of school in fear of Obama, clearly the “christian right” needs a pimp slap of epic proportions.[/quote]

Obama has middle America scared, the very people who elected him are now afraid. He did that with his outrageous appointments. He did that with his insidious health care proposal. He did that with his position on cap and trade and other major issues. Obama and his far left policies have motivated outraged voters who normally couldn’t care less about politics to attend town hall meetings and shout down those on the far left who support the President and his far left agenda.

You see the Christian right as the biggest evil entity in this country. I see far left politicians as the biggest evil.

You can call yourself what you like, matters not. We just happen to see the political spectrum from opposite sides most of the time and I know where I stand, I’m a conservative.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

and when I get phone calls from my mother, who is a teacher, stating that people pulled their kids out of school in fear of Obama, clearly the “christian right” needs a pimp slap of epic proportions.[/quote]

You still haven’t answered the question raised by your comment. But you have said neither “politics” nor “racism” drive this reaction - so, based on the above reference to the “Christian” right, are you suggesting the reaction is religious in nature?

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[quote]thunderbolt23 wrote:
Professor X wrote:

and when I get phone calls from my mother, who is a teacher, stating that people pulled their kids out of school in fear of Obama, clearly the “christian right” needs a pimp slap of epic proportions.

You still haven’t answered the question raised by your comment. But you have said neither “politics” nor “racism” drive this reaction - so, based on the above reference to the “Christian” right, are you suggesting the reaction is religious in nature?

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I asked the question for discussion. You asked the question to claim some sort of victory in a debate. I really have lost interest in you at this point.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

Obama has middle America scared, the very people who elected him are now afraid. He did that with his outrageous appointments. He did that with his insidious health care proposal. He did that with his position on cap and trade and other major issues. Obama and his far left policies have motivated outraged voters who normally couldn’t care less about politics to attend town hall meetings and shout down those on the far left who support the President and his far left agenda.[/quote]

Guy, I work in the health field and I can tell you the one thing screwing it up right now are the insurance companies which have so much control over treatment that they can actually dictate what treatment I can even do on a patient. Most people with insurance don’t even understand their own policies. Every patient I see has to be educated on what their own insurance covers so yes, it strikes me as strange that these same people suddenly understand the health care system on such a level as to label Obama’s plan as “insidious”…but let’s discuss that. What exactly is “insidious” about his health care plan? Please, be specific and teach me so I can learn what you apparently already know.

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You see the Christian right as the biggest evil entity in this country. I see far left politicians as the biggest evil.[/quote]

I see the Christian Right as a bunch of hypocrites. I see far left politicians as mostly impotent.

I know where I stand as well…and I know a label is the first step to being nothing but a follower.

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One thing is clear despite everyone’s opinion here… the 2 party system sucks ass.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
One thing is clear despite everyone’s opinion here… the 2 party system sucks ass. [/quote]

Yes…yes, it does.