President's Speech to School Kids

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]orion wrote:
Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:
Professor X wrote:
The people overreacting to this look like idiots. Sorry. they are also coming across about as UNpatriotic as you can get considering this is the fucking PRESIDENT and I seriously doubt this would have been tolerated for ANY speech given by Bush about kids in school.

Congrats. You right wingers sure are doing a great job of being so…“elitist”.

The idea that patriotism equals automatic support for the president is so un-American.

That confuses me for how can someone be un-American and an American patriot at the same time?

For 8 years we were informed that we were unpatriotic if we didn’t support Bush and the war. It is funny how things change.

It never changed.

The claim was BS then and still is now.

I still believe though that a true American patriot must tar and feather a tax collector at least once in his live, similar to the Hadj for a true Muslim.

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Oh, we don’t disagree…I am just pointing out how hypocritical “The Right” seems to be. They claimed that democrats were stopping conventions by complaining about “loony left issues”…then they bring loaded guns to Presidential speeches…speeches that have NOTHING to do with gun control. They interrupt public speeches in Town Halls and literally yell down the president.

Yes, the largest damage I see here is that kids will notice (if they are old enough to remember even 8 years ago) that their parents didn’t act like this for Bush. No one pulled kids out of school because of a speech to kids. No one acted like their kids were going to be brain washed.

What I see from “the Right” is far worse than any damage done by a “loony left”…and it will last much longer.

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Come on now, at least there wasn’t an ivestigation. Well, an investigation and hearings. This did happen with another president’s education speech, actually. While I’ve taken my own side, the right, to task about making too much of this, don’t believe something similar didn’t happen to a republican president. I’ll let you guys figure out which one. It is about politics.

Edit: Ok, I can’t resist.

"When Bush spoke to students, Democrats investigated, held hearings
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:
Professor X wrote:
orion wrote:
Professor X wrote:
The people overreacting to this look like idiots. Sorry. they are also coming across about as UNpatriotic as you can get considering this is the fucking PRESIDENT and I seriously doubt this would have been tolerated for ANY speech given by Bush about kids in school.

Congrats. You right wingers sure are doing a great job of being so…“elitist”.

The idea that patriotism equals automatic support for the president is so un-American.

That confuses me for how can someone be un-American and an American patriot at the same time?

For 8 years we were informed that we were unpatriotic if we didn’t support Bush and the war. It is funny how things change.

It never changed.

The claim was BS then and still is now.

I still believe though that a true American patriot must tar and feather a tax collector at least once in his live, similar to the Hadj for a true Muslim.

Oh, we don’t disagree…I am just pointing out how hypocritical “The Right” seems to be. They claimed that democrats were stopping conventions by complaining about “loony left issues”…then they bring loaded guns to Presidential speeches…speeches that have NOTHING to do with gun control. They interrupt public speeches in Town Halls and literally yell down the president.

Yes, the largest damage I see here is that kids will notice (if they are old enough to remember even 8 years ago) that their parents didn’t act like this for Bush. No one pulled kids out of school because of a speech to kids. No one acted like their kids were going to be brain washed.

What I see from “the Right” is far worse than any damage done by a “loony left”…and it will last much longer.[/quote]

I dont see that that is necessarily true.

If such a thing like a single payer system should be implemented or a system that would inevitably lead to a single payer system I believe that the the damage would last far longer than anything Bush has done.

Except of course for those he killed, kind of hard to top that as far as damage to a person goes.

Anyway, if you do not care so much for the general expression of the sentiment but the sentiment itself the general lack of trust in the governments ability to handle anything more complicated than delivering mail is refreshing.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Bullshit. When Reagan had his “Just say No” kick and expected all kids to follow suit, not ONE person pulled their kids out of classes for the speech and no one acted like this.

It is funny how this is playing out. Yet, of course, this is all about politics and no other reasons are why people are acting like this on a mass scale.[/quote]

Again I will say, No politics in schools. What Reagan did was equally as bad. The speech Obama gave was actually very good. More then likely it was rewrote after the outrage sparked, but at the end of the day it he did a good thing.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Come on now, at least there wasn’t an ivestigation. Well, an investigation and hearings. This did happen with another president’s education speech, actually. While I’ve taken my own side, the right, to task about making too much of this, don’t believe something similar didn’t happen to a republican president. I’ll let you guys figure out which one. It is about politics.

Edit: Ok, I can’t resist.

"When Bush spoke to students, Democrats investigated, held hearings
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html
[/quote]

Admit that it must have been hilarious to hear Bush pontificate about the importance of edumucation.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
SteelyD wrote:
Gambit_Lost wrote:
Eyebrows raised for a “be cool stay in school” speech? I’m sure they thought crazies would cry havoc, not sure the administration thought it would catch on so much.

Now will you answer my question? I honestly have no clue what you were trying to say, it came across quite absurd.

I’m not sure why ‘absurd’… buuut…

Knowing the Prez anticipated backlash, and given all the rhetoric about ‘transparency’, why didn’t they just release the speech with the announcement for the schools to send to parents for review.

The proper M.O. would have been:

Prez: “Parents, I’m going to speak directly to your kids, here is what I’m going to say.”
Parents: “Oh, OK, thanks” (or, “OK, my kid will be absent that day”)

No, what it was was:

Prez: “Parents, I am going to speak directly to your kids.”
Parents: “What are you going to say?”
Prez: “QUESTION ME??!!!? You’re CRAZY!!”

“Common sense” from a parent of young kids to parents of other young kids would be to make your intentions known up front-- always, no matter how ‘harmless’.

I mean…what if he RAPED them?[/quote]

Well, that would certainly make the news, no?

The funny thing about that is that, in fact, (as shown recently in another thread), of all environments outside ‘family settings’, kids are most likely to be sexually molested by a school employee. But, I digress…

You’re a bit late to the game, but if you’re addressing my posts, I’ve made clear I’m not against the speech nor encouraging the parents to pull their kids (nor a Republican). However, I AM defending the idea that if that’s their choice, then they certainly shouldn’t be judged for how they wish to raise their kids, ESPECIALLY by those without kids. The parents know what’s best for their kids, certainly more than the government schools.

Once again, I love how people without kids think they know what’s best for people with kids and judge how they raise them. It’s like a typical 14 year old in a small town that they never left that thinks they have all the answers to the world.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Come on now, at least there wasn’t an ivestigation. Well, an investigation and hearings. This did happen with another president’s education speech, actually. While I’ve taken my own side, the right, to task about making too much of this, don’t believe something similar didn’t happen to a republican president. I’ll let you guys figure out which one. It is about politics.

Edit: Ok, I can’t resist.

"When Bush spoke to students, Democrats investigated, held hearings
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html

Admit that it must have been hilarious to hear Bush pontificate about the importance of edumucation.

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It was Bush Sr.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:

Once again, I love how people without kids think they know what’s best for people with kids and judge how they raise them. It’s like a typical 14 year old in a small town that they never left that thinks they have all the answers to the world.
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Uh, yeah, those two things are JUST alike.

I don’t have kids…which is one more reason I want to make sure everybody else’s kids don’t become crazy fucking adults. I don’t have to have kids to be able to see how fucked up the reaction here was or how kids in general will see them as opposed to their parents. Why? because I am a grown ass man who is decently intelligent who used to also be a kid.

Kids were not in fear of being brainwashed by the president. If they have this fear now, it is strictly because their parents planted it…the same parents who did NOT plant it during the reign of Bush. When Bush was in office, anyone speaking against him and his politics concerning the war was branded as against the country. “If you have nothing to hide, why do you care about being watched or eaves dropped on?” It wasn’t until he was on his way out that this bullshit began to stop.

I doubt the message truly being received by kids is exactly what these parents THINK is being received. I know I wasn’t that dumb as a kid. Then again, the apple doesn’t fall too far from the…

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Come on now, at least there wasn’t an ivestigation. Well, an investigation and hearings. This did happen with another president’s education speech, actually. While I’ve taken my own side, the right, to task about making too much of this, don’t believe something similar didn’t happen to a republican president. I’ll let you guys figure out which one. It is about politics.

Edit: Ok, I can’t resist.

"When Bush spoke to students, Democrats investigated, held hearings
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html
[/quote]

Interesting:

You mean, they waited until they heard it to judge it?

The HORROR!!!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I don’t have kids…which is one more reason I want to make sure everybody else’s kids don’t become crazy fucking adults. I don’t have to have kids to be able to see how fucked up the reaction here was or how kids in general will see them as opposed to their parents. Why? because I am a grown ass man who is decently intelligent who used to also be a kid.

…[/quote]

Thank you. Someone with some sense. Imagine that, PX speakin the truth.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Come on now, at least there wasn’t an ivestigation. Well, an investigation and hearings. This did happen with another president’s education speech, actually. While I’ve taken my own side, the right, to task about making too much of this, don’t believe something similar didn’t happen to a republican president. I’ll let you guys figure out which one. It is about politics.

Edit: Ok, I can’t resist.

"When Bush spoke to students, Democrats investigated, held hearings
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html

Interesting:

Unlike the Obama speech, in 1991 most of the controversy came after, not before, the president’s school appearance.

You mean, they waited until they heard it to judge it?

The HORROR!!![/quote]

Maybe you’re not, but are you saying it was any less politically motivated?

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[quote]pushharder wrote:
Professor X wrote:

They…literally yell down the president…

Bullshit.[/quote]

Really?

Have to love John Stewart. This was actually pretty damned good.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2009/08/11/2009-08-11_official_bring_on_debate_but_leave_yelling_at_home.html

Oh, wait, I guess since I can’t find one where they let these idiots actually scream at the president…I suppose you believe it wouldn’t happen if allowed.

Face it, republicans look like insane people right about now.

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[quote]Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Come on now, at least there wasn’t an ivestigation. Well, an investigation and hearings. This did happen with another president’s education speech, actually. While I’ve taken my own side, the right, to task about making too much of this, don’t believe something similar didn’t happen to a republican president. I’ll let you guys figure out which one. It is about politics.

Edit: Ok, I can’t resist.

"When Bush spoke to students, Democrats investigated, held hearings
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html

Interesting:

Unlike the Obama speech, in 1991 most of the controversy came after, not before, the president’s school appearance.

You mean, they waited until they heard it to judge it?

The HORROR!!!

Maybe your not, but are you saying it was any less politically motivated?[/quote]

I’m saying more than “politics” is at work when people act like this BEFORE ANY FUCKING SPEECH HAS BEEN MADE.

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Thank you prof x for for posting easily and succinctly what needed to be said.

Presidents have talked for ages to school kids without using that opportunity to gain a political edge. This so called “public outcry” against his speech is really nothing but a shared sense of fear for the presidents ideas from the right. The terms communism, socialism, racist, and fascist get thrown around so much lately that certain people are living in fear of their government. We have to remember that America is designed so that we always have choice, and if you don’t want your kids to listen to Obama then take them out of school. Of course you will be doing yourself a disservice to hear our president talk.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Sloth wrote:
Come on now, at least there wasn’t an ivestigation. Well, an investigation and hearings. This did happen with another president’s education speech, actually. While I’ve taken my own side, the right, to task about making too much of this, don’t believe something similar didn’t happen to a republican president. I’ll let you guys figure out which one. It is about politics.

Edit: Ok, I can’t resist.

"When Bush spoke to students, Democrats investigated, held hearings
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/blogs/beltway-confidential/When-Bush-spoke-to-students-Democrats-investigated-held-hearings-57694347.html

Interesting:

Unlike the Obama speech, in 1991 most of the controversy came after, not before, the president’s school appearance.

You mean, they waited until they heard it to judge it?

The HORROR!!!

Maybe your not, but are you saying it was any less politically motivated?

I’m saying more than “politics” is at work when people act like this BEFORE ANY FUCKING SPEECH HAS BEEN MADE.

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I’m not clear on why the timing is critical, if both speeches were education speeches.

Edit: And since this was a speech at one school, in Bush’s case, I’m not sure there could’ve been much awareness until it circulated around, after the fact. As opposed to an announced speech to be piped in.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Oh, wait, I guess since I can’t find one where they let these idiots actually scream at the president…I suppose you believe it wouldn’t happen if allowed.[/quote]

The president doesn’t do town halls that aren’t managed. No one has yelled at the president.

At town halls, there has been shouting - but that has not represented the bulk of the town hall experiences.

You never let facts get in the way of what you want to be the case - Republicans have made gains in the generic ballot and now lead in a number of polls for the first time in years:

Quite the contrary, the GOP is looking more and more sane by the day compared to the alternative. Ask the voters, particularly the self-identified independents.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

I’m saying more than “politics” is at work when people act like this BEFORE ANY FUCKING SPEECH HAS BEEN MADE.[/quote]

If it isn’t “politics”, what else would it be?