I’m trying to be impartial as I think about this … but I really cannot remember any appearance by Biden where he didn’t come across as an ass. Sometimes I’ve seen him where he’s trying real hard not to be an ass and he comes off like a condescending ass. Like when he was talking about Obama during the campaign and he produced the classic “clean, bright, articulate” line. Or the other day when he said Palin "delivered’ a good speech as if he and Obama write their own.
I’m betting we’ll see the condescending Biden. Aggressive is too risky and all these guys seem oblivious to their own condescension anyway.
Speaking of oblivious to their own condescension … Carville was interviewed the other day and he showed a pic of the Wassila City council building and compared it to a Louisiana Bait Shop … did he think this was going to be received well by the 100,000,000 (?) Americans who live in small towns …
A few people have alluded to this over the past few days;
Palin literally caught MILLIONS of people off guard, both liberal and conservative; Democrat and Republican.
Carvelle was obviously one. All he could really say after the pick of Palin was “I’m really just dumbfounded”!
I would think that the Obama camp had to rethink at least some of their strategy; and one is debating someone that a lot of Americans have embraced as “one of them”.
If it were not for an incredibly biased press Obama would certainly lose.[/quote]
I’ve avoided trying to think of the election in such hyperbolic terms, but after this latest media cycle w/r/t Palin, I am much closer to believing it outright.
Obama has always been a weak general election candidate - and even the other Democratic nominees made much over this. If the mainstream media had done even a workmanlike job covering Obama, I think it unlikely he would be the nominee.
The supine media forces Obama’s opponent - whether Hillary or a Republican - to actually have to make ever more negative arguments, because the media doesn’t run substantively critical stories on Obama. The media are supposed to be the stone-faced “tell it like it is, no matter whose ox is gored” institution, and the candidates are supposed to run their campaigns.
Unfortunately, both the Hillary campaign and the McCain campaign have had to pull double-duty: they have had the traditional job of advertising their candidate and also had to fulfill the traditional role of the media in vetting the other candidate in the public space.
No matter who wins this election, we can be assured that the biggest loser, to be honest, is the mainstream media.
Would love to see McCain get Daley’s Chicago Machine into the debate somehow. This guy (Obama) got gov’t money for his buddies to build shanties and they kick him back some cash, and some to the Machine. Man, if he could get that in there!!!
Obama’s vote tallies would shrink to the racist black people who keep voting for him at over 90% rates.
That doesn’t belong in the debate anymore than the “Keating 5” stuff. (The pressuring of regulators to lay-off the savings and Loans hurt a LOT more Americans than any money Obama may have gotten from Daly).
Also; please tell me that you are NOT saying that all black people who vote for Obama are racist?
Update on the polls, if it’s ok to place it in this thread:
In the new poll, taken Friday through Sunday, McCain leads Obama by 54%-44% among those seen as most likely to vote. The survey of 1,022 adults, including 959 registered voters, has a margin of error of +/- 3 points for both samples.
Bounce is expected though, but this one surprises me.
Perhaps a MAJOR gaff could make some difference, but those never really occur (people forget that these debates are pretty controlled, with each side agreeing on certain conditions).
And even with some “major” gaff (whatever that could be), I doubt any major mind-changers at this point.
I’ve said it over and over again when this election has been discussed among friends and in the office:
(To borrow from a line from “Tora, Tora, Tora”, attributed to Admiral Yamamoto):
“I fear that all we have done is to awaken a sleeping giant and fill him with a terrible resolve”.
In this case, that’s the Christian Evangelical base; and that is a group that DOES vote.
The black base is motivated, and will be out in force this election. It is understandable since many of them see this as an ultimate fulfillment of the dream that many have worked for.
Problem is he is not the savior he is made out to be. And I for one would prefer that the dream does not turn into a nightmare.
The youth vote will be almost as lackluster as before, but I do see a slight upswing in their vote this time around.
You read about that “slight upswing” comment almost every four years as far back as George McGovern in 1972. The youth really loved him. It hasn’t happened and it’s not happening this time around. Something important always comes up when it’s time for this age group to vote. You know, things like buying beer and going to class etc. Oh and sometimes their cars won’t start.
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This isn’t based on anything I have read, just the difference in what I am seeing. But I did say a small up tick, nothing major. But I do see it being major in the black community.
[quote]pushharder wrote:
flyboy51v wrote:
…Carville was interviewed the other day and he showed a pic of the Wassila City council building and compared it to a Louisiana Bait Shop … did he think this was going to be received well by the 100,000,000 (?) Americans who live in small towns …
You wouldn’t happen to have a link, would you?
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I don’t … heard it on the radio while plowing … Rush or Dennis Prager maybe … I bet you can google the reference …
I heard a different poll on CNN this morning. Obama is still ahead, but by only 1%.
It will be interesting to see if McCain is just riding the wave of the convention, or if he is able to keep the contest this close going into November.
[quote]forlife wrote:
I heard a different poll on CNN this morning. Obama is still ahead, but by only 1%.
It will be interesting to see if McCain is just riding the wave of the convention, or if he is able to keep the contest this close going into November.[/quote]
not to be overconfident … but the polls are usually very biased toward the democrats for a variety of reasons. Even going back to Mondale in ‘84 I remember the "polls’ having it very close and yet virtually everyone knew Reagan was going to wipe the floor with him.
The polling companies oversample democrats … you have to read the fine print to see if it’s registered voters or likely voters or just the population at large, etc.
I’ve heard some commentators say that the polls don’t get accurate until the last minute because even though they’re biased and want to encourage the dems and discourage the reps … they still don’t want to be embarrassed professionally by missing the real vote by a ton …
The latest Gallup of likely voters has McCain up by 10!
Probably won’t hold but usually they almost ALWAYS have the dems up at this point regardless of who’s the incumbent party.
“Nitally Lions” and “my muslim faith” and “maybe I will delay those tax increases” can’t be helping much either …
